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3 minutes ago, chon derry said:

Not much can be done about it being in international waters but the American gov should have an ability to intervene with conducting or marshalling out of an American port ? 

 

Maybe.  I am guessing the corporation is registered in America.  Not sure who would have standing to file for an injuction to cease operations and if they did they would be immediately sued by Rush and OceanGate.  Do their vessels to get out there fly under an American flag?

 

There was probably a way to put an end to this if someone was actually motivated and well funded enough...but why would anyone but a super obsessed safety freak lose that much sleep over what this idiot does with his company.

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4 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

Maybe.  I am guessing the corporation is registered in America.  Not sure who would have standing to file for an injuction to cease operations and if they did they would be immediately sued by Rush and OceanGate.  Do their vessels to get out there fly under an American flag?

 

There was probably a way to put an end to this if someone was actually motivated and well funded enough...but why would anyone but a super obsessed safety freak lose that much sleep over what this idiot does with his company.

The only reason I’m interested in this is the connection to the titanic and the town I live in Prince Rupert. The original owner of the grand trunk pacific railroad owner Charles Melville Hayes died in the sinking. Eventually gtprr was sold and CNR was born. Hayes had already started the rail line to rupert. And he envisioned rupert to be the biggest port on the entire west coast of North America. Rupert owes its very existence to him. The mountain here , mount Hayes. The local high school chss Charles hays secondary school. The one small river in town Hayes creek. There’s also a statue of Hayes in front of city hall. There was plans for Francis Rattenbury to build a bigger hotel than the empress hotel and the Vancouver hotel but all for not after the sinking. He was on route back to rupert when the accident happened. 

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3 hours ago, chon derry said:

The only reason I’m interested in this is the connection to the titanic and the town I live in Prince Rupert. The original owner of the grand trunk pacific railroad owner Charles Melville Hayes died in the sinking. Eventually gtprr was sold and CNR was born. Hayes had already started the rail line to rupert. And he envisioned rupert to be the biggest port on the entire west coast of North America. Rupert owes its very existence to him. The mountain here , mount Hayes. The local high school chss Charles hays secondary school. The one small river in town Hayes creek. There’s also a statue of Hayes in front of city hall. There was plans for Francis Rattenbury to build a bigger hotel than the empress hotel and the Vancouver hotel but all for not after the sinking. He was on route back to rupert when the accident happened. 

 

The fact that this jackass got a 19 year old killed and actually had the kid pay a quarter million dollars for the privilege of dying at his gross negligence has left me contemplating the legalities of making sure this kind of things doesn't happen this way again.

 

I think the easiest solution might just be to have some nation classify the Titanic as a war grave.  People aren't allowed to go down and screw around with the wreckage of the Bismarck.  But in the long run there should be some sort of international treaty with some kind of governance of people actually selling seats as passengers on this kind of thing.  And perhaps pre-emptively with all of this low orbit space tourism as well.  The government where the company is incorporated has to enforce...or something.  But of course billionaires and their corporations have a powerful lobby and manage to wiggle out of everything imaginable.

 

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Just now, Kevin Biestra said:

 

The fact that this jackass got a 19 year old killed and actually had the kid pay a quarter million dollars for the privilege of dying at his gross negligence has left me contemplating the legalities of making sure this kind of things doesn't happen this way again.

 

I think the easiest solution might just be to have some nation classify the Titanic as a war grave.  People aren't allowed to down and screw around with the wreckage of the Bismarck.  But in the long run there should be some sort of international treaty with some kind of governance of people actually selling seats as passengers on this kind of thing.  And perhaps pre-emptively with all of this low orbit space tourism as well.  The government where the company is incorporated has to enforce...or something.  But of course billionaires and their corporations have a powerful lobby and manage to wiggle out of everything imaginable.

Go back a few pages in this thread I posted an article about the Edmond Fitzgerald. I’m sure this incident will shed some light on it. And I’m sure the out cry is coming   Some kind of international agreement? . I’m sure England having the most victims from the sinking would weigh in on something like that. 

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On 6/22/2023 at 1:41 PM, nuckin_futz said:

There is a lot to learn about respect for the Titanic dead, the ocean, the lives of the passengers.

 

Lastly, the media could be a bit more respectful. :picard:

 

NewsNation.

 

That looks kind of like news coverage from Robocop or The Running Man.

 

 

"Is the head dead yet?"

"It's interesting when people die..."

 

 

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On 6/22/2023 at 1:48 PM, Odd. said:

I don’t really find it disrespectful. Experts provided that estimation. Perhaps it’s a bit eerie considering it’s a countdown to their potential demise, but that’s the sort of reality rescuers as well as the people on board were presumed to have had and were facing at that time. Putting up a countdown just shows the viewers where exactly they are at in an ongoing situation.

 

What I find absolutely disrespectful and reprehensible are the various amounts of memes and the general lack of empathy for these individuals. Perhaps resenting the fact that they are billionaires, but that doesn’t change the fact they are still human beings with loved ones.

 

I find it disrespectful when everyone actually in the know was aware that the sub had imploded almost immediately and as James Cameron put it...went through a countdown charade about imaginary oxygen reserves.  On top of which this is a countdown precise to the second when all they have is an estimate...provided by the idiot company that sent this deathtrap down in the first place...which would have an enormous margin for error depending on panic, activity, or whether these people decided to execute Stockton Rush while they were in there...which everybody in any position to know anything already knew they weren't.

 

From the hop this seems like pretty cynical "story management" for ratings and engagement.

 

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35 minutes ago, Gurn said:

There is line between reporting the news; and showing tragedy porn.

Any network that had a countdown clock, was engaged in the latter.

 

 

That’s all they had though. The navy never revealed the fact that they heard the implosion 1.5 hours after the sub departed the mother ship, with numerous hydrophones along the east coast left over from the Cold War era. Still operational. 

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Do watch this link.

 

From the mouth of an Ass ,  

An “Engineer”.

Willing to risk human life, and confirm that proof of Science , Technology, and Education is of lesser value than Stuipidity, Risk, and Adventure.

His reward is his own death, and how he will be remembered.

He is not a pioneer,  he is proof that stuipidity exists in all of us,.   But do we want to use it.

FA = Find Out

 

again,  from the mouth of an Ass…

 

https://www.facebook.com/reel/655903595981493?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&mibextid=9imq16
 

 

 


To add:

  I appreciate the Logic of James Cameron,

someone whom I have worked with in the past:

 

 

 

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Strange twist is that Stockton Rush's wife Wendy is a decendent of a couple drowned in the sinking of the Titanic, Isidor and Ida Strauss. She was their great great great granddaughter.  They were depicted in James Cameron's Titanic as the old couple holding hands in bed as the ship sank.

Who knew that the Titanic will claimed another victim 111 years later.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/22/11837047 ... vie-couple
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On 6/24/2023 at 7:54 AM, Gurn said:

There is line between reporting the news; and showing tragedy porn.

Any network that had a countdown clock, was engaged in the latter.

 

 

The memes from this were glorious. You know...if you like dark humor. Which is a sign of intelligence..or so I read ;) 

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So uh...new info says the sub tried to make it back to the surface.  Dropped all weight and tried to get up.  This suggests or means they knew something was up.  There is a suggestion that the loss of communication came from water getting in to the electronics, possibly via a leak in the outer carbon shell.  This means that they would have tried to get back to the surface but then lost bouyancy and started sinking.  A short in the electronics means they would have been eventually in the dark sinking knowing what was coming.  

 

That's truly frigging awful if true

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It remains to be seen if this is an actual transcript, but it's scary non the less.

 

Interesting break down of the speed of decent with the time stamps and distance updates.

 

The submersible was decending too fast.  They started getting alerts and heard a weird noise towards the aft.  They tried to ascend but wasn't going as fast as they should be. Contact lost around 9:45.

 

 

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So apparently there was around 18 minutes from the first alert to last contact. Scary to think. Would seem like a life time.
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