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Hey guys, big Canucks fan here, I make Canuck pump up videos once a year on yt Canucks4life. 

I haven't made a trade proposal in awhile, let me know what you think!

 

 

To Nashville:

Conor Garland – RW (25% salary retained-$1.23M)

Aatu Räty – C  

3th round pick (2025)

 

To Vancouver:

Thomas Novak – C  

2nd round pick (2024 TBL)

 

 

For those of you not familiar with the trade target, Novak is a 26yo 3rd round pick that broke onto the scene this year with the Preds scoring 43points in 51 games (17G & 26A). He was very consistent this season. Novak was re-signed to a 1-year contract worth 800k, he will be a UFA afterwards, but I’m convinced we can get him to re-sign in beautiful BC and be a part of something special with the Canucks!

 

I target this player because I think he would fill in perfectly at 3C, I also think there is potential for Novak to move up in the line up if there are any injuries along the way which can not be said for Blueger. I also target Novak due to his age and Nashville’s need for point producing wingers.

 

We lose Räty however this trade solidifies our center position, gives us a 2nd round pick in 2024 and clears up $3.7mil in cap space.

 

Preds lose Novak but gain a middle 6 winger that puts up points on an affordable contract ($3.7M) with a 3-year term. Preds do currently have some depth at C and gain more depth for the future with the acquisition of Räty.

Preds lose a 2nd round pick but they have 3 of them in the 2024 draft. They also gain a 3rd round pick for 2025.

 

I don’t necessarily want to give up on Räty but I do believe he is at least 3 years out from making an impact.

 

Any thoughts or suggestions are welcomed!

 

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It’s not a bad proposal. Too bad Novak wasn’t bigger and a right shot. I guess it comes down to how good you believe Raty will become and was the partial season Novak had a sign of things to come or a one off? We need cap space and the help in the bottom 6 so I would consider it for sure.

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Trotz specifically mentioned Novak as replacement for Johansen - was the reason he gave for trading him.  Can't imagine he would be available.  

 

Glass, Novak, O'Reilly and Sissons look to be their Cs for next season.  Don't see them creating a hole in their lineup.

 

Pre-draft Trotz called free agency lean and that he was instead hoping to add long term players through trade.   O'Reilly and Schenn are the winners he talked of needing to change the culture but Nyquist seems like a rather strong indication that he didn't find players he liked through trade.  

 

Would be really surprised if Allvin didn't already talk to Trotz -  feels more like Nashville simply not interested in the players Vancouver had to offer.  

 

Trotz says his team is caught in the mushy middle and needs more high end players.  They were on DeBrincat's trade list but were apparently not even interested.  Trotz made it clear that he's patient and will wait to get the players he wants rather than settle.  

 

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40 minutes ago, mll said:

Trotz specifically mentioned Novak as replacement for Johansen - was the reason he gave for trading him.  Can't imagine he would be available.  

 

Glass, Novak, O'Reilly and Sissons look to be their Cs for next season.  Don't see them creating a hole in their lineup.

 

Pre-draft Trotz called free agency lean and that he was instead hoping to add long term players through trade.   O'Reilly and Schenn are the winners he talked of needing to change the culture but Nyquist seems like a rather strong indication that he didn't find players he liked through trade.  

 

Would be really surprised if Allvin didn't already talk to Trotz -  feels more like Nashville simply not interested in the players Vancouver had to offer.  

 

Trotz says his team is caught in the mushy middle and needs more high end players.  They were on DeBrincat's trade list but were apparently not even interested.  Trotz made it clear that he's patient and will wait to get the players he wants rather than settle.  

 

Re: OP, for the bolded reason above, I would think we could trade Garland or Beauvillier straight up for a pick or two to Nashville.
When they're signing Nyquist and Gurianov as major wing additions that screams scraping the bottom of the barrel, and offense by committee.  If they want Beauvillier I think we should entertain the idea of trading him, since Hoglander's probably ready to come back and he's also not waiver eligible so either we keep him on the roster or permanently in the minors -- there's no middle ground (Podkolzin could also really use the opportunity to develop).  If Nashville wants short term guys (only a couple forwards have term in their deals) Beauvillier probably fits better than Garland, and if we could get a 2nd for him I'd be happy, since we'd also clear the winger logjam (Pearson is rumored to be coming back too).

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1 hour ago, mll said:

Trotz specifically mentioned Novak as replacement for Johansen

Thanks for the feedback, I wasn't aware Novak was named as Johansens replacement but I'm not suprised, I know they are really high on him. 

 

17 minutes ago, Phil_314 said:

I would think we could trade Garland or Beauvillier straight up for a pick or two to Nashville.

Beau would be easier to trade, lower cap hit, slightly younger and 1 year left.I'm all game for acquring picks. I just think Blueger is not the answer for us at 3C, great 4C though. I also think Podz and Hogz should be in the lineup next season... we have too many wingers eh

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57 minutes ago, Phil_314 said:

Re: OP, for the bolded reason above, I would think we could trade Garland or Beauvillier straight up for a pick or two to Nashville.
When they're signing Nyquist and Gurianov as major wing additions that screams scraping the bottom of the barrel, and offense by committee.  If they want Beauvillier I think we should entertain the idea of trading him, since Hoglander's probably ready to come back and he's also not waiver eligible so either we keep him on the roster or permanently in the minors -- there's no middle ground (Podkolzin could also really use the opportunity to develop).  If Nashville wants short term guys (only a couple forwards have term in their deals) Beauvillier probably fits better than Garland, and if we could get a 2nd for him I'd be happy, since we'd also clear the winger logjam (Pearson is rumored to be coming back too).

Feels more like they didn't like the players that were available by trade so they resorted to free agency.   

 

Beauvillier was available already in NYI when Trotz was still there - wouldn't expect him to want a reunion.

 

Trotz wasn't looking for short term but players who would fit what they were looking to build for the long term.   If he thought that Beauvillier or Garland were fits he would have already traded for them.  

 

Here's the clip from 1 June - ie well before the draft and free agency.  He did quite a few radio shows and interviews where always the same theme.  Cap space is so valuable.  Not looking for trades to make trades but finding pieces that will help them become an elite team because the aim is to win a Cup.  Says they are in the mushy middle.  Beauvillier - Garland are probably available on the Vancouver side because they are too mushy middle.  

 

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43 points in 51 games seems completely wasted on the third line.  What's worse is that Tommy Novak doesn't play an ounce of defence.  He is an offense-only guy through and through - does not belong in the bottom six.  I fully expect him to be 1st line C next year for Nashville.  Why would he settle for 3C if he can be the main option somewhere else?

 

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36 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

Why would he settle for 3C if he can be the main option somewhere else?

On the stas you posted it says 3rd liner on it haha, but you could be rite, he could get more playing time in Nashville. Not sure how much that matters. 

I like the idea having a scoring 3rd line personally. He could get time on the 2nd pp unit aswell. 

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21 minutes ago, canuckmen84 said:

 

On the stas you posted it says 3rd liner on it haha, but you could be rite, he could get more playing time in Nashville. Not sure how much that matters. 

I like the idea having a scoring 3rd line personally. He could get time on the 2nd pp unit aswell. 

That's based on average ice time because he can't play defense.  He doesn't kill penalties.  He has proven everyone that he belongs in the league, but he's also an extremely one-domensional player.  Do you honestly want our third line centre to be one of the weakest defenders in the league?

 

Playing time matters because every player wants to make the most out of their talents.  With Duchene gone Novak is now the #1 offensive option on the team.  He wouldn't want to re-sign here knowing he can probably earn top dollar playing top minutes on most other teams.

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1 hour ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

Do you honestly want our third line centre to be one of the weakest defenders in the league?

No, but hockey is a team sport, collectively it can still be a defensively sound line with help from teamates and different steatagies.

His offense and penalties drawn make up for his poor def imo. I'm not trying to argue your points as you do make some good ones but I still feel he is a player that would greatly benefit our team.

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5 hours ago, canuckmen84 said:

Hey guys, big Canucks fan here, I make Canuck pump up videos once a year on yt Canucks4life. 

I haven't made a trade proposal in awhile, let me know what you think!

 

 

To Nashville:

Conor Garland – RW (25% salary retained-$1.23M)

Aatu Räty – C  

3th round pick (2025)

 

To Vancouver:

Thomas Novak – C  

2nd round pick (2024 TBL)

 

 

For those of you not familiar with the trade target, Novak is a 26yo 3rd round pick that broke onto the scene this year with the Preds scoring 43points in 51 games (17G & 26A). He was very consistent this season. Novak was re-signed to a 1-year contract worth 800k, he will be a UFA afterwards, but I’m convinced we can get him to re-sign in beautiful BC and be a part of something special with the Canucks!

 

I target this player because I think he would fill in perfectly at 3C, I also think there is potential for Novak to move up in the line up if there are any injuries along the way which can not be said for Blueger. I also target Novak due to his age and Nashville’s need for point producing wingers.

 

We lose Räty however this trade solidifies our center position, gives us a 2nd round pick in 2024 and clears up $3.7mil in cap space.

 

Preds lose Novak but gain a middle 6 winger that puts up points on an affordable contract ($3.7M) with a 3-year term. Preds do currently have some depth at C and gain more depth for the future with the acquisition of Räty.

Preds lose a 2nd round pick but they have 3 of them in the 2024 draft. They also gain a 3rd round pick for 2025.

 

I don’t necessarily want to give up on Räty but I do believe he is at least 3 years out from making an impact.

 

Any thoughts or suggestions are welcomed!

 

Interesting target, who looks like more of an emerging top 6C.

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2 hours ago, canuckmen84 said:

No, but hockey is a team sport, collectively it can still be a defensively sound line with help from teamates and different steatagies.

His offense and penalties drawn make up for his poor def imo. I'm not trying to argue your points as you do make some good ones but I still feel he is a player that would greatly benefit our team.

Of course he'd benefit our team - he's a top six forward earning pennies on the dollar.  He's like Kuzmenko last year.  Novak is very obviously a top six forward so it seems ridiculous to try and acquire such a valuable player just to demote him.  You don't trade for a borderline PPG player and then bury him on the third line.  Do you think other teams are trying to get J.T. Miller and put him on their third line?

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50 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

Of course he'd benefit our team - he's a top six forward earning pennies on the dollar.  He's like Kuzmenko last year.  Novak is very obviously a top six forward so it seems ridiculous to try and acquire such a valuable player just to demote him.  You don't trade for a borderline PPG player and then bury him on the third line.  Do you think other teams are trying to get J.T. Miller and put him on their third line?

Haha I'll leave line combos up to the coach and that's certainly not you. Thanks for your opinion though.

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2 hours ago, canuckmen84 said:

Haha I'll leave line combos up to the coach and that's certainly not you. Thanks for your opinion though.

Novak is currently Nahsville's #1 centre.  Their top-scoring forward.  Your trade now places either Cody Glass or Ryan O'Reilly as their new top centre.  Those are facts.

 

On a team where their leading scorer was a defenceman with 59 points, Trotz has a very clear priority: upgrade the offense.  Your proposal doesn't do that.  Do you disagree?

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10 hours ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

Novak is currently Nahsville's #1 centre.  Their top-scoring forward.  Your trade now places either Cody Glass or Ryan O'Reilly as their new top centre.  Those are facts.

 

On a team where their leading scorer was a defenceman with 59 points, Trotz has a very clear priority: upgrade the offense.  Your proposal doesn't do that.  Do you disagree?

 

That's fair, he probably plays up in the preds lineup but that may prove to be unsuccessful and doesn’t mean he's a  1st line calibré player. 

The book is still out on him, he doesn't have a full season in the league yet which is why I labled him a middle 6 centre ie: 3c/2c (for the canucks) and also why they re-signd him to a "show me" 1 year contract at 800k. If Petty or Miller get injured do we want Blueger to step in to replace them, the guys never scored 10 goals. You can go on about where he plays in the preds line up and what Trotz has said but team directions can change. Do the preds accept this offer with the future in mind? Maybe, maybe not.. Who knows how they value our prospect. Maybe we need to add more value, maybe we just keep Raty and be patient. If they intend to take a leap of faith and "build" around Novak, good on them, that may work out for them but in the end I like the player and see him as a middle 6 centre that improves our centre depth significantly. If you have a better target in mind I'd luv to see your  proposal :)

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1 hour ago, canuckmen84 said:

 

That's fair, he probably plays up in the preds lineup but that may prove to be unsuccessful and doesn’t mean he's a  1st line calibré player. 

The book is still out on him, he doesn't have a full season in the league yet which is why I labled him a middle 6 centre ie: 3c/2c (for the canucks) and also why they re-signd him to a "show me" 1 year contract at 800k. If Petty or Miller get injured do we want Blueger to step in to replace them, the guys never scored 10 goals. You can go on about where he plays in the preds line up and what Trotz has said but team directions can change. Do the preds accept this offer with the future in mind? Maybe, maybe not.. Who knows how they value our prospect. Maybe we need to add more value, maybe we just keep Raty and be patient. If they intend to take a leap of faith and "build" around Novak, good on them, that may work out for them but in the end I like the player and see him as a middle 6 centre that improves our centre depth significantly. If you have a better target in mind I'd luv to see your  proposal :)

Novak signed his deal before breaking out.  He was signed by Poile before Trotz was even announced as incoming GM.  

 

He was playing bottom-6 and spent even time in the AHL when he signed his deal.  They really had no idea he would emerge as a top-6 option.  It's the TDL trades and the slew of injuries that gave him an opportunity in the top-6.  Sure sounds like Trotz wants to give him a real opportunity to show what he can do.  There's a reason he named him specifically as reason to trade Johansen.  

 

Can't really draw conclusions from early last season when Trotz is now setting a new direction.  From the TDL onwards that's Trotz but everything before was Poile.  Hynes tried to box them into a playing style but that's not the type of roster they've drafted or Trotz is looking to build.  

 

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50 minutes ago, mll said:

Novak signed his deal before breaking out.  He was signed by Poile before Trotz was even announced as incoming GM.  

 

He was playing bottom-6 and spent even time in the AHL when he signed his deal.  They really had no idea he would emerge as a top-6 option.  It's the TDL trades and the slew of injuries that gave him an opportunity in the top-6.  Sure sounds like Trotz wants to give him a real opportunity to show what he can do.  There's a reason he named him specifically as reason to trade Johansen.  

 

Can't really draw conclusions from early last season when Trotz is now setting a new direction.  From the TDL onwards that's Trotz but everything before was Poile.  Hynes tried to box them into a playing style but that's not the type of roster they've drafted or Trotz is looking to build.  

 

Ya their pretty high on Novak. What's your opinion on the player though, would you be happy to have him on our team?

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