Hairy Kneel Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 22 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said: You mean the two D-men who are kinda well known for taking a lot of penalties? No doubt they're great additions but we are going to get penalized a lot. The only thing scarier than McDavid is the entire Oilers powerplay. I think Gonchar and Foote will take care of that. And definitely the coilers won't have as much room on the pp. Bigger d and forward specialists. I cannot wait to see our pk this year. It was so bad last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 5 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said: Again, if the NHL can't protect its literal star players from carrying the puck with speed, then they need to make changes. You know which way this league is trending. The National league is a collision sport. Guys who carry the puck, like McDavid and Makar, will always be involved in high speed collisions. Too many players make their money with aggressive play. If they don’t play that way other guys who will take those jobs. The league can’t change that. IMHAO both McDavid and Makar go down with knee injuries this season. Don’t want that to happen, but with players like those two (and how they play in high traffic; neither is a perimeter guy) it’s almost for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 5 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: I think Gonchar and Foote will take care of that. And definitely the coilers won't have as much room on the pp. Bigger d and forward specialists. I cannot wait to see our pk this year. It was so bad last year. I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here. You can't truly stop the Oilers powerplay. The best thing you can try and do is minimize the damage. I think we made a lot of right moves here but you have to remember we were one of the worst PKs in the NHL. I'll be happy if we bump that up to 15th. That still means we'll struggle against the best PP in hockey history. Everything you're saying doesn't make much sense. Soucy, Cole, and Myers are all very prone to taking penalties. Coaching changes won't dramatically reverse player trends, especially from established veterans. Also, being bigger isn't going to change our ability against POWER PLAYS. How has size helped Myers be an effective PKer? It just hasn't. Just now, Alflives said: The National league is a collision sport. Guys who carry the puck, like McDavid and Makar, will always be involved in high speed collisions. Too many players make their money with aggressive play. If they don’t play that way other guys who will take those jobs. The league can’t change that. IMHAO both McDavid and Makar go down with knee injuries this season. Don’t want that to happen, but with players like those two (and how they play in high traffic; neither is a perimeter guy) it’s almost for certain. So you really don't think the NHL will do anything when their two most marketable players (and basically the two best players in the world right now) go down to similar injuries? Have you completely forgotten the rule changes following Crosby's lost season 10 years ago? They banned all hits to the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 7 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said: I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here. You can't truly stop the Oilers powerplay. The best thing you can try and do is minimize the damage. I think we made a lot of right moves here but you have to remember we were one of the worst PKs in the NHL. I'll be happy if we bump that up to 15th. That still means we'll struggle against the best PP in hockey history. Everything you're saying doesn't make much sense. Soucy, Cole, and Myers are all very prone to taking penalties. Coaching changes won't dramatically reverse player trends, especially from established veterans. Also, being bigger isn't going to change our ability against POWER PLAYS. How has size helped Myers be an effective PKer? It just hasn't. So you really don't think the NHL will do anything when their two most marketable players (and basically the two best players in the world right now) go down to similar injuries? Have you completely forgotten the rule changes following Crosby's lost season 10 years ago? They banned all hits to the head. How effective will the Oilers PP be though without McDavid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: How effective will the Oilers PP be though without McDavid? I don't why you keep saying that, but even without McDavid they still have an insane PP specialist in Draisaitl, with Bouchard manning the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 1 minute ago, Bob.Loblaw said: I don't why you keep saying that, but even without McDavid they still have an insane PP specialist in Draisaitl, with Bouchard manning the back. Oilers, without McDavid, are not a playoff team. Bouchard is a product of McDavid. Isn’t Bouchard the guy who got kicked in the head by his prized milking cow at 10? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Oilers, without McDavid, are not a playoff team. Bouchard is a product of McDavid. Isn’t Bouchard the guy who got kicked in the head by his prized milking cow at 10? . . . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 Two many holes in both the Oilers and Leafs squads to call them contenders in my opinion. D wins championships. Not shinny hockey and depending on powerplays. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 5 hours ago, Bob.Loblaw said: I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here. You can't truly stop the Oilers powerplay. The best thing you can try and do is minimize the damage. I think we made a lot of right moves here but you have to remember we were one of the worst PKs in the NHL. I'll be happy if we bump that up to 15th. That still means we'll struggle against the best PP in hockey history. Everything you're saying doesn't make much sense. Soucy, Cole, and Myers are all very prone to taking penalties. Coaching changes won't dramatically reverse player trends, especially from established veterans. Also, being bigger isn't going to change our ability against POWER PLAYS. How has size helped Myers be an effective PKer? It just hasn't. So you really don't think the NHL will do anything when their two most marketable players (and basically the two best players in the world right now) go down to similar injuries? Have you completely forgotten the rule changes following Crosby's lost season 10 years ago? They banned all hits to the head. I think we'll do better than 15th 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said: I think we'll do better than 15th Our PK. You think we will be top 10 in PK?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 4 hours ago, Bob.Loblaw said: Our PK. You think we will be top 10 in PK?? I think initially yeah. Then hopefully settle 10-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 15 hours ago, Alflives said: Oilers, without McDavid, are not a playoff team. Bouchard is a product of McDavid. Isn’t Bouchard the guy who got kicked in the head by his prized milking cow at 10? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 14 hours ago, rekker said: Two many holes in both the Oilers and Leafs squads to call them contenders in my opinion. D wins championships. Not shinny hockey and depending on powerplays. Think EDM and TO have a decent shot. EDM maybe moreso, they are getting the valuable experience against cup winning teams after winning a round. Leafs against TB ... well they were virtually tied in every available metric but lost in game 7. Lose a lot of game 7's. They'd be smart to find the leagues current version of Glen Anderson, Justin Williams, or even the Claude Lemuiex or Mike Keane's, guy often went to the final and on different teams. It helps having an actual winner on contenders. Agree goaltending and defense win cups. But it takes a village too. TO isnt getting regular season Mathews. That would be a huge difference for them. McDavid needs to reel it back and start watching video of Yzerman (and spend a lot of time in the gym, looks like a skinny kid still). Draisatl is awesome. EDM has depth at center and their D is at least average, maybe above average. Their biggest hole and unknown is in net. That said they don't need elite goaltending either. Just good goaltending. They've learned some valuable lessons i'm sure, both from Vegas and COL. Bouchard actually killed it last playoffs. On that team he could score 90 points sooner then later. They've already got a name for his heavy shot "Bouchard Bomb". Coffey has taken an interest in him as well. That alumni group truly gets involved, and believe that the McDavid show, is reaching its pinnacle the next two years. Holland is an awesome GM when it comes to putting the icing on top. He's been doing it ever since he arrived. Trevelling is a wild card. I've watched enough TO games to know they can win at any given night. The need more than anything, to have Mathews keep working on his defensive game (he's not the cherry picker he used to be), but fill the net. If he can fill the net and stay even - they have a chance to meet EDM in the final. Several experts do actually have that as the final this year, not just TO guys either. Dallas is another team to watch for. They were every bit as good as Vegas. Edited August 27 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 10 minutes ago, IBatch said: Think EDM and TO have a decent shot. EDM maybe moreso, they are getting the valuable experience against cup winning teams after winning a round. Leafs against TB ... well they were virtually tied in every available metric but lost in game 7. Lose a lot of game 7's. They'd be smart to find the leagues current version of Glen Anderson, Justin Williams, or even the Claude Lemuiex or Mike Keane's, guy often went to the final and on different teams. It helps having an actual winner on contenders. Agree goaltending and defense win cups. But it takes a village too. TO isnt getting regular season Mathews. That would be a huge difference for them. McDavid needs to reel it back and start watching video of Yzerman (and spend a lot of time in the gym, looks like a skinny kid still). Draisatl is awesome. EDM has depth at center and their D is at least average, maybe above average. Their biggest hole and unknown is in net. That said they don't need elite goaltending either. Just good goaltending. They've learned some valuable lessons i'm sure, both from Vegas and COL. Bouchard actually killed it last playoffs. On that team he could score 90 points sooner then later. They've already got a name for his heavy shot "Bouchard Bomb". Coffey has taken an interest in him as well. That alumni group truly gets involved, and believe that the McDavid show, is reaching its pinnacle the next two years. Holland is an awesome GM when it comes to putting the icing on top. He's been doing it ever since he arrived. Trevelling is a wild card. I've watched enough TO games to know they can win at any given night. The need more than anything, to have Mathews keep working on his defensive game (he's not the cherry picker he used to be), but fill the net. If he can fill the net and stay even - they have a chance to meet EDM in the final. Several experts do actually have that as the final this year, not just TO guys either. Dallas is another team to watch for. They were every bit as good as Vegas. TO is a legit Cup favourite. They have depth and their elite talent plays a puck moving game that doesn’t rely on carrying the pill through high collision areas at speed. The Oilers rely on McDavid to generate offence by carrying the puck at speed through high collision areas. That’s when knees get destroyed. Connor has come very close to losing a knee. When the inevitable happens (which I think is this coming season) the Oilers are cooked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Alflives said: TO is a legit Cup favourite. They have depth and their elite talent plays a puck moving game that doesn’t rely on carrying the pill through high collision areas at speed. The Oilers rely on McDavid to generate offence by carrying the puck at speed through high collision areas. That’s when knees get destroyed. Connor has come very close to losing a knee. When the inevitable happens (which I think is this coming season) the Oilers are cooked. EDM center depth is better. RNH can also do that job..Draisatl on his own line, is just as deadly if not more than McDavid 5 x 5. Took Vegas awhile to smother him, but he stole the show up until they lost. On pace to challenge for most goals in a single playoff is no small thing. Hyman, if TO's team wasn't so top heavy, sure they'd love to have kept him. He's a perfect winger for any top six, and games designed for the playoffs. EDM has Nurse, overpaid for sure, but he's also a good defenseman. Reilly versus Bouchard. Time will tell. For now Reilly, but was it 17 playoff points? And since they added him to the PP he's scoring at a 85-90 point pace .... quite a few fantasy mags have him doing just that, plus he's already shown with limited minutes, he can score 40-50 even strength points with top four time...Once his game rounds out they might have another star on their hands. Goaltending is even - both a question mark. TO has a great top six, can match up with anyone, same as EDM. EDM has the current version of Gretzky/Messier, although i'm sure we will all agree, Messier could beat up pretty much anyone in the league including Wilson (look at the pounding he gave Otto when in NYR and that old bull on bull stuff from their CAL days came out, Otto was on tough SOB and a good fighter himself). Gretzky well GOAT. That said, their power play is a weapon. And they yield it well. As good as Bossy/Potvin days. As for the kneeing stuff. Sure it could happen, could happen to anyone really. Doubt it would be intentional, like the old days, Cooke and Marchment and Samuellson are long long gone. McDavid is fast, so is Mckinnon, Larkin, EP and others. For the leagues sake sure hope that doesn't happen. Agree it could though. Edited August 27 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, IBatch said: EDM center depth is better. RNH can also do that job..Draisatl on his own line, is just as deadly if not more than McDavid 5 x 5. Took Vegas awhile to smother him, but he stole the show up until they lost. On pace to challenge for most goals in a single playoff is no small thing. Hyman, if TO's team wasn't so top heavy, sure they'd love to have kept him. He's a perfect winger for any top six, and games designed for the playoffs. EDM has Nurse, overpaid for sure, but he's also a good defenseman. Reilly versus Bouchard. Time will tell. For now Reilly, but was it 17 playoff points? And since they added him to the PP he's scoring at a 85-90 point pace .... quite a few fantasy mags have him doing just that, plus he's already shown with limited minutes, he can score 40-50 even strength points with top four time...Once his game rounds out they might have another star on their hands. Goaltending is even - both a question mark. TO has a great top six, can match up with anyone, same as EDM. EDM has the current version of Gretzky/Messier, although i'm sure we will all agree, Messier could beat up pretty much anyone in the league including Wilson (look at the pounding he gave Otto when in NYR and that old bull on bull stuff from their CAL days came out, Otto was on tough SOB and a good fighter himself). Gretzky well GOAT. That said, their power play is a weapon. And they yield it well. As good as Bossy/Potvin days. As for the kneeing stuff. Sure it could happen, could happen to anyone really. Doubt it would be intentional, like the old days, Cooke and Marchment and Samuellson are long long gone. McDavid is fast, so is Mckinnon, Larkin, EP and others. For the leagues sake sure hope that doesn't happen. Agree it could though. McDavid reminds me of Bure with the speed of attack through high collision areas. Hopefully he keeps his knees longer than Pavel did. But if he goes down, then the Oilers are dead. IMHAO (sadly) it’s inevitable. He plays a risky style to be effective, which opens him up to these kinds of collisions. Edited August 27 by Alflives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 4 hours ago, IBatch said: Think EDM and TO have a decent shot I put them in the second tier of teams which is nothing to special and has many teams grouped in there. I look at recent winners Tampa, Avs, Blues, and historcially speaking, the D on TO and Edmonton isn't that good. Also the bottom six grit and grind isn't there. Goaltending could go either way. There can be outliers for sure and that's where I have these two teams. Like a team out of nowhere that just outscores all their issues. They could be that team but I have little faith in that type of team in playoffs. Just too tight a game in postseason. I still remember the last period of hockey the Oilers played last postseason. Diving and pointing their toes to an embarrassing end. Gross, compared to Florida who battled with crutches and bandaids on to the end. I don't see that mentality in TO or Edmonton. TO looked like they were shining thier clubs as soon as it got too tough to win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildwood12 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 17 hours ago, Alflives said: TO is a legit Cup favourite Toronto spent their money on the top six. They didn’t spend it on a legit defence that will help them win a cup anytime soon. They will be golfing early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNucks Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 On 8/26/2023 at 2:05 PM, Bob.Loblaw said: I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here. You can't truly stop the Oilers powerplay. The best thing you can try and do is minimize the damage. I think we made a lot of right moves here but you have to remember we were one of the worst PKs in the NHL. I'll be happy if we bump that up to 15th. That still means we'll struggle against the best PP in hockey history. Everything you're saying doesn't make much sense. Soucy, Cole, and Myers are all very prone to taking penalties. Coaching changes won't dramatically reverse player trends, especially from established veterans. Also, being bigger isn't going to change our ability against POWER PLAYS. How has size helped Myers be an effective PKer? It just hasn't. So you really don't think the NHL will do anything when their two most marketable players (and basically the two best players in the world right now) go down to similar injuries? Have you completely forgotten the rule changes following Crosby's lost season 10 years ago? They banned all hits to the head. On 8/26/2023 at 2:13 PM, Alflives said: How effective will the Oilers PP be though without McDavid? I think if we just do what Boston did in 2011 and take a ton of penalties that include taking out some key players, our PK and Demko will survive enough that the fake "equalizer" penalties will allow Petey and Kuz and Brock and Millar and Hughes to outscore any goals against so yeah, We can take out mcdavid, dries, and then still do mariner and matthews... I dont think the Oilers or Leaves can beat us with the right coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastNucks Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 4 minutes ago, EastCoastNucks said: I think if we just do what Boston did in 2011 and take a ton of penalties that include taking out some key players, our PK and Demko will survive enough that the fake "equalizer" penalties will allow Petey and Kuz and Brock and Millar and Hughes to outscore any goals against so yeah, We can take out mcdavid, dries, and then still do mariner and matthews... I dont think the Oilers or Leaves can beat us with the right coaching I think Cole, Soucey and Irwin are the right henchmen we need to make it happen. all 3 can be replaced from abby when they get suspended. This is our year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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