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On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 5:27 AM, Kenny Powers said:
I'm very interested to see what happens after the big deal the media made about his 'last game as a Canuck.' A buy out will free up $1.5M, which could mean the difference on winning a top UFA or not. A trade with max salrary retention (50% I believe) would save us $2.25M and provide an asset. He will always be a favourite and a Canuck, but it's time for him to make way for the future.
Burrows salary next season is 3 million but his cap hit is still 4.5. So in a buyout Burrows would cost 2 million this coming season and 1 million the season after.
So from a dollars sense, buying out Burrows costs almost the same as just letting him play but from a salary cap standpoint, it's about 1.5 million cheaper in the end.
Backdiving contracts are mind boggling in a salary cap world.
Canucks really need his roster spot, only reason I see him getting bought out. If Burrows stays, there's probably not enough cap or roster spots available for a free agent cuz Baertschi, Etem, Pedan, and Larsen still need deals and all would be waiver eligible. And Canucks only have 9 million of cap with Burrows/Higgins on the team. Those 4 probably eat up about 6 of it.
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You've gotta wonder if Lucic does come to Vancouver, does Miller request a trade out?
Barring that scenario though, I think we see a 50-30 split assuming both guys stay healthy.
Markstrom is the future but Miller is still the 6 million dollar man so unless he breaks down, he's playing at least 2 of every 3.
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Benning said all season in regards to Gaunce and Shinkaruk he'd like to leave them in Utica for 2 or 3 years until they're over ripe and can step right into an impact role in Vancouver.
Shinkaruk is gone now but I won't be surprised if the same plan remains for Gaunce. He'll probably be injury call up #1 but if their choice is to have him in Utica or as a 13th skater in Vancouver, my bet is he goes to Utica.
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1 hour ago, mll said:
Doesn't sound like Baertschi-Horvat will be playing together now that Baertschi found his confidence. WD explained that he was playing Baer in a checking role with Horvat because he wasn't doing anything offensively but wasn't hurting the team defensively. Then they started scoring so he kept them together. But, towards the end he separated them whenever possible, because he felt it was taking Horvat away from his game. He thinks it's better for him to play with defensive wingers. So I'm guessing it's Etem, Gaunce and maybe Dorsett - which were his linemates to finish the year.
Horvat and Etem went on 6 and 7 game point streaks to close out the season when they finally were paired up so that's fine with me.
Obviously that's not sustainable but it does make it obvious there's some chemistry there too.
Etem-Horvat-Virtanen?
Etem-Horvat-Rodin?
Etem-Horvat-Hansen?
Those all look pretty nice to me.
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5 hours ago, Qwags said:
Future starter, at least until Demo is ready.
Not sure why everyone has just forgotten about Markstrom's potential since Demko had a good college season.
Wasn't that long ago that Markstrom was considered the best player in the entire AHL.
Having both just ensures the Canucks can rely that position is filled for a good, long time.
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2 hours ago, higgyfan said:
For me, Bo is one of the most exciting players on the team. 40 points in his 2nd season and that's with a slow start. At times he looks like a power forward charging down the ice making sweet plays with Sven. He's smart and can play at both ends of the ice.
He can skate and is very hard to take the puck from him. I see him as the kind of player that works hard and doesn't give up. I won't be suprised if he has a 50pt season and his +/- is in the + range. Great character guy who will probably be the next team captain.
I think he will surprise some fans within a couple of years. He's a very special player.
This. I think he'll probably be a 40 point guy again next season though. But only cuz with a healthy Sutter, Horvat is going to get less minutes.
But if Horvat puts up 40 points from the 3rd line alongside other young guns like Baertschi, Virtanen, Etem, or maybe even Tkachuk (but that one's a stretch), that's still improvement and bodes well for the future.
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1 hour ago, Alflives said:
I often read your posts Body, and clearly you understand the game better than most here. You're right again about increased soft minutes for Edler. Now where did you play? OHL? ECHL?
I only played to Junior A. My great uncle was a former Canuck though. Gregg Boddy. Dad was an assistant in the OHL. Bit of a hockey family. Should've stuck with it.
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What I like about Hutton is he's shown he can play the big minutes. So has Gudbranson. That should allow the Canucks to cut Edler and Tanev's minutes to something not "Edler played 27 minutes or more in the last 5 games" like we saw last season.
And with Tryamkin, totally possible we see Edler off the PK altogether.
Sutter-Hansen
Tryamkin-Gudbranson
That's an intimidating PK that will seriously punish a team that makes a mistake.
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On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Outsiders said:
Hopefully Sutter can stay healthy for the full 82 next season. Feel like he is capable of putting up 40 points, so I wanna see him go out and do it.
Sutter put up 40 points on Pittsburgh's 3rd line playing a shutdown role. 40 points should be the expectation out of him. And their 3rd line wasn't very good. Personally I won't be surprised to see him crack 50, especially if the Canucks get him a top 6 winger out of free agency. In all honesty Sutter just never has played with top 6 guys, he's proven he can match up against the league's best in a shutdown role and do very well. Next season we'll finally see if he can produce the offence to match with (hopefully) higher quality linemates than he's ever had before.
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If Burrows can't be traded in the off season, he'll be bought out. Gaunce can replace his role for a fraction of the cost and be just as effective, even in a rookie year.
That 4.5 million dollars is much better being spent elsewhere.
Like on Okposo
man did he look good tonight.
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4 hours ago, clam linguine said:
I keep repeating this but....
These concerns about Burrows are a perfect example of navel gazing. Look up! There is a 28 million dollar 2 year freight train coming your way with the word mentor written on it. Worry about that.
Burrows is a perfect mentor at 4 million for 1 year
Until the Sedins aren't our undisputed point leaders year in and year out, your argument is moot. They're also the best mentors. Baertschi's entire game is being modeled around Daniel. Vey, Henrik. Burrows? Well he high fives guys when they score.
4.5 million dollars for a replaceable roster spot isn't perfect. He can be replaced on the PK, he's already been replaced on the PP, and not once have I heard a rookie talk about Burrows. It's always the Sedins, Dorsett, Hansen, and Hamhuis.
Not to mention him staying keeps Shinkaruk and/or Gaunce in Utica again next season.
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3 minutes ago, Alflives said:
And then they are UFAs too. They can sign with whomever, but are still restricted to ELC contact limits. The sooner he's out, the sooner he can get along to his second contract, where the really good money begins. I think that's why most college guys, who are elite, come out after one or two years. Two years at the start of their careers will mean two big payday years of UFA status at the other end. Start later and those are two years lost at the other end. Look at Toews. He got to UFA status and big money three years sooner, than if he completed his degree. That two years in school could easily coast a guy 10 million on the other end.
Very true. I just wasn't sure where Demko's head was at. Haven't heard anything from him about what he wants.
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1 hour ago, erkayloomeh said:
And dont do your team any favors.
Do you mean to say burr is not accountable? All players should retire/decline there salary once there not as effective anymore.
If you had a dog that saved your life you'd probably take it out and shoot it once it started to get old.
Hockey is a business. The management in place now is not the ones who gave him that deal, nor are they the one's who had him in his prime, they don't actually owe him any loyalty so your dog reference doesn't really apply. I make decent enough money but I know if a younger, cheaper guy gets hired and starts out performing me, it's only a matter of time before I get handed my lay off papers. And that's at a 90k salary, not 4.5 million. Why would hockey be any different?
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1 minute ago, Alflives said:
As soon as he signs a contract with us, he's no longer eligible for NCAA play. We want him out as soon as his season ends, and send him to Utica. He plays one year in Utica (Miller's last season with us) then he's up competing with Markstrom for the number one role. Does that sound like Benning's plan?
I hope it is. Does Demko want to give up on college for hockey though? I know other players have stayed till they get their degree and then they leave.
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10 minutes ago, Yotes said:
ah weird college hockey schedule. i thought this was end of year game due to them playing for a cup
he can be signed and sent to utica after that tho, hopefully that is Bennings plan
Wouldn't he need to leave college to report to Utica though? NCAA rules prevent him from participating in everything else, can't imagine AHL being any different.
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18 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:
As much as I've hated his 4M contract, we need to keep SOME veterans around on each line to teach the kids how to play the right way. The Sedins are exemplary mentors for any player. Hansen is another one, and Burrows is definately one too. The first two are high picks, talented, skilled professionals and are balanced by the hard working Hansen and Burrows who had to fight their way into the NHL.
I really like that balance of veteran leadership in the locker-room.
As for everyone else, they can be axed. Dorsett brings nothing particular, he isn't even that tough anymore. Prust was the same. Vbrata could have been useful if he scored more but he's on pace for about 15 goals this season, 20 tops, so we don't need him when his offence can be replaced by Shinkaruk/Gaunce.
As long as we have the hard working vets Daniel, Henrik, Hansen and Burrows scattered amongst the lineup I think the kids will really thrive. Vey and Etem are already showing chemistry with Burrows which is a huge plus.
If Burr wasn't contributing AT ALL (ala Higgins) I'd be happy to move him but scoring at a 3rd-4th liner pace and playing on the PK is enough to keep him around. The same can be said for Hansen - it's not just his veteran leadership he's showing out there but the fact that he's one of our leading scorers AND does time on the PK means we have to keep these guys around because they bring SO MUCH to the table.
Dorsett isn't scoring, doesn't kill penalties that well, and isn't a good enough leader.
Vbrata is scoring, not as much as he needs to be for his price, doesn't really kill penalties or play well defensively, and isn't a good leader.
For next season I think we need to go into the year with that in mind, and these lines to open up the year:
Sedin - Sedin - UFA (Ladd/Okposo/Boedkker/Lucic all to be had for 6M easily - replaces Vbrata)
Baertschi - Horvat - Hansen
Gaunce - Sutter - Virtanen
Etem - McCann - Burrows
Shinkaruk
Vey
Sedin-Sedin-Free Agent
Baertschi-Horvat-Hansen
Dorsett-Sutter-Virtanen
Shinkaruk-Vey-Etem
Fixed it for you. Bye Burrows. McCann gets a year in Utica to play 1st line minutes and 1st unit powerplay.
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Burrows has a 4.5 million cap hit, top 6 money, and he produces at a bottom 6 level. Outside of fan loyalty, there isn't any reason to keep Burrows over another free agent with a similar or slightly more (5-6 million per) cap hit. Even without Burrows, you still have the Sedins, Sutter, Hansen, and Dorsett as mentors. I'd even include Horvat there as its been pretty apparent the incoming rookies look up to him. Retain Burrows for 50 percent and free up 2.25 million of cap in the offseason and send him out. It's only retained cap for 1 season anyways. Shinkaruk has history with Etem and Vey. They were a former line, and a dominant one. Make that a line. Buy out Higgins in the offseason and you go into next season with like 19 million in available cap and only Baertschi, Etem, and Vey needing deals. All 3 combined won't cost more than 6. Leaving 13 million for a free agent forward and defenseman. That's enough cap to get a high end one of each.
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3 minutes ago, Salmonberries said:
I dunno, Burr has been making things happen with the two kids. Somebody has to suit up for us. We can't waive everybody.
Besides, no way would he clear.
If he doesn't clear, that's an extra 4.5 million in free agency. Question, would you rather a 4.5 million Burrows? Or a 5 million Okposo? I know where I'd rather spend my money.
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2 minutes ago, Mustapha said:
If that means the Canucks get McDavid, so be it.
There won't be another McDavid for a decade.
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2 minutes ago, clam linguine said:
Maybe RNH....plus .. Austin Matthews and whoever else we can buy for 15 million
Dispose of Iron Man Sedin and replace them with always injured RNH. Genious
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2 minutes ago, clam linguine said:
We NEED to get rid of the Sedins and Edler.
Without the Sedins, we're the next Oilers. No.
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Just now, Kuma said:
Burrows should be placed on waivers just like Prust. He doesn't hit or agitate anymore. All he does is skate around. He needs to stop thinking he's a score and start doing what got him in the NHL! Is time for him to move on.
If we didn't have Gaunce and Shinkaruk waiting in Utica, I'd argue he still has value for us. But we do have Gaunce and Shinkaruk so he's a roster spot that can be filled and improved on with stuff we already have.
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A Burrows retained 50% is a pretty decent 2.25 million option for another team. That should have takers. And it opens up a spot for one of Gaunce, Zalewski, Shinkaruk, or a free agent. Anyone over 30 in the bottom six is holding back rookies at this point.
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Burrows has done well in his time here. Truth is though, we now have a roster that likely already includes Sedin and Baertschi on left and Hansen, Etem, Virtanen, and Dorsett on right as locks for next season. With both Dorsett and Etem able to switch wings should the need arise. Add in a free agent aquisition or two and guys like Shinkaruk, Gaunce, Zalewski, and potentially Grenier pushing for a spot on the team and Burrows suddenly becomes the next Higgins. Even without free agents or Burrows that's still already 10 people who have a reasonable to guaranteed chance of making the roster with only 8 spots available. An underperforming 30+ year old forward who is preventing someone from being on the team isn't going to stay around. If the Canucks miss the playoffs this year, that will expedite his removal even more cuz they won't want 2 years of carrying big contracts at the expense of improving. Burrows likely already knows or has been told his time here is limited. And even if he hasn't, it's pretty obvious. There's no situation other than letting Baertschi go (which makes no sense) that let's Burrows stay. Unless the aim is to have a 2nd season with mostly this roster and then decide what to do with Miller, Higgins, and Burrows. But I can't see that.
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man did he look good tonight.
[Signing] Canucks sign F Loui Eriksson [6 year x $6M AAV]
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You take all that with a grain of salt.
What would you say if a Vancouver radio station called you and asked you live on the air if you'd come to Vancouver, your hometown?
Of course you say yes, it'd be interesting.