mikeburn
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What are odds for over/under that there will be a Hodgson and Kassian fight?
Give it a rest. They're both youngsters who have upside and hurdles to get there, if the fans with a need to have hate-ons could let it go then the rest of us could just watch some good hockey.
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Im watching the Panthers vs Sabres...a clash between two of the canucks most polarizing players...
Lu has a slick mask on. I must say.
Not a clash, a match. An appropriate outcome would be Hodgson (Buffalo) extending his streak to make it 5 points in 5 games while Luongo (Florida) carries the Panthers to a win in his return home.
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Done? As in "done like dinner"? Are you kidding me? The twins are tied for the team lead in points and are +7 and +9. Meanwhile Kesler, Kassian, Burrows, Edler and Sestito (to name only the obvious offenders) are all at least -6. The Sedins are NOT the problem, believe me...
Patriotic bass solo for Kes...
This post leads to the thinking - if Canucks had a genuine second line (aka: three legit top 6 players who consistently produced), it'd for sure take some of the matching load off the first line (aka: Sedins+winger), and so possibly both give some space from being shut down AND add some spark to their game.
As it is though, best to hope for is that in the next couple years some of the youth is developed to take over first line duties so that the Sedins can gracefully move to the second line. Nothing wrong in being an elite second line duet during the twilight of their careers.
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system? I don't see no stinking system. ask yourself this........the team is full of fwds who could score under AV, who are no longer scoring under Torts. The team is also full of d-men who were excellent defenders under AV and are no lonmger those rock solid defenders..........whats the common denominator here?
The common denominators are the players, particularly the core - which have aged, sure, but gracefully and STILL not rece'd any support from the addition of fresh quality blood.
AV squandered, if not the window (as in the only window), then at least a window. Torts is stuck stickhandling a core that is at least moderately beyond it's prime while the other common denominator (aka: Gillis, once a self-proclaimed master of navigating cap numbers) hasn't found a way to freshen up the stock in any meaningful way.
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Not sure if already reported on here, but more details of the trade have emerged. The Sabres are to retain $1.4M of Vanek's salary for the remainder of the year. Also, if the Islanders draft pick ends up being a top 10 pick in 2014, they have the option to defer the 1st rounder until 2015.
Yeah, read that about the Vanek salary, but didn't see the part about the pick changing? Interesting.
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Grabner trade was arguably the worst trade in the Canucks organization
People are retarded for not giving Kassian a chance, a guy was telling me about how Buffalo's athletics trainer sucked and that's why Kassian was so lost.
Better than Hodgson at a minus 15 on his Carrer in Buffalo
Oh well, geez, if "a guy was telling" you about something then people with an opinion that differs from yours must be retarded.
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May I ask how any of that was fantasy? It was all basically publicized. In fact, I'm pretty sure everything I said about all 3 of them has been in articles...
Here's some "fantasy" for you
http://www.sportsnet.../<br /><br />http://canucksarmy.c...yoff-production
http://inagist.com/a.../<br /><br />http://www.vancouver...l<br /><br />http://sabrenoise.co...n-cody-hodgson/
I'll bite on the Hodgson bits...
Your so-called "facts" are regurgitated baseless rumours, and the "references" provided to support your pet theories demonstrate only your remarkable lack of "research and analysis" skills. Should you elect not to tackle this issue, the upside is that you'll never make it as a career civil servant, but the downside is that you won't stand much of a chance scoring points in a rational debate.
Should you wish to improve your debate scores going forward, first you will need to learn how to "research" for quality sources, and then you'll gotta apply some reasoning skills and actually "analyze" what you research (rather than merely scan material for good quotes on which to rest your brain cells).
Oh, and FYI - "quality sources" do not include twitter exchanges between disgruntled fans making silly comments and an agent with a rep for playing jerk when annoyed, or a blog entry in which the writer himself clarifies "I am not pretending to be privy to..." and then goes on to speculate a personal theory that has long since been proven inaccurate by the comments and actions sourced directly to Sabres management (for more info on that, and your own pet theory that the kid was ever a primadonna, see Hodgson's 6 year contract for 2C money
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Dalpe is still young and Welsh is in that trade too and the pick was a 4th rounder not going to lose much sleep over him tossing these away in trades so that takes care of that move and the Pahlsson rental
the Roy trade was horrible move he thought the team was ready for another run and was banking on 1 player giving the team the extra edge
not going to sit here and try to figure out what his next move is but Gillis has done more good than bad for this team then people give him credit his trades may not be his greatest skill but his ability to sign players and find players through free agency is very underrated moves signing people give the credit to the home town discount being the big factor in getting certain players
There's a certain... irony? in the whole Roy trade too... Buffalo moved Roy with Hodgson coming in to replace him, then Canucks end up with rental Roy? lol
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I could have said it better and clearer but I generally agree with this poster, as I almost always do...
You suck up, you.
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Higher.
lol
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Very loose average I'd say that currently established 2nd line players not on ELC's/bridge contracts would be in the $4-6 territory, 1st line players $6-$8.
Really? Okay. I won't argue, I really dunno. Curious what the cap max is likely to look at in the next 1-3 years.
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First thing to go with the player is the hands, then the speed . Sedins are finesse / high co ordination . Once the passes start going tape to skate, and shots shanked off the heel, the gig is up for them. They dont fight or hit or skate fast.
True, they don't fight or hit. I'd also suggest they don't play bodies hard, drive through guys, etc. Foot speed is more subjective. But they do bring other tangibles and intangibles that will be useful - even needed - much longer than their skating and passing days.
I would re sign them but lets NOT give them the 6mil dollar Naslund mistake we gave him before we found out too late.I'd guess Naslund didn't fit for his last Canuck contract so much due to a variety of factors, not merely age or diminishing abilities (not to negate Naslund's showing in New York of course, I just think there were other factors that played into his early career exist... Heck, even Bertuzzi is still playing the veteran diminished role, and Morrison would be too if he'd been more durable). And at another guess, I'd go with this season being a good test as to whether the Sedins face a similar fate or do end up fitting better with what Torts envisions putting together (than with what AV envisioned did in Naslund's last days).
Pay the twins 5 mil each for 2 years then re assess.Gosh, I dunno... I mean, if your bane Hodgson is warranted $4.25mil, shouldn't the Sedins snag at least $7mil as real top liners?
But seriously, not bad numbers. Goes with the idea of decent money for 2 years but 3 or more can't be at top line wages? A 2 year contract and then re-assess would be ideal for Canucks side, but to get them down to $5mil may mean forking over a longer contract period?
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Or they could just sign them to a 4-5 year term with declining salary (commensurate with their declining roles) that would make their cap hits quite manageable, particularly with a rising cap/inflation.
$7, $6, $5, $4, $4 = $5.2 cap hit.
Yeah. I haven't really followed how all the cap hit rules apply, etc. and also haven't a clue what "1st line" versus "2nd line" salaries look to be in the years ahead. Have seen some kids signed up to cap hits of $4-$5 on 5+ year terms with the expectation they'll grow into 1st line players though, so how $5.2 fits into the Sedins presumably very diminished role by year 5, I dunno?
The clincher is just to ensure the team has room to sign/extend their offensive replacements. Cuz I kinda have to agree that re-signing the Sedins as the core around which offense is built long term isn't maybe the way to go. I could also see the value in trading them for picks/prospects, except that the team needs veterans just as much as it needs youth, so screw trading away Sedin vets for youth only to turn around and try to get anything in the UFA market that even approaches what they bring to the table.
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I can see the argument for not re-signing the Sedins if they'd require longer term (say 3+ years) contracts with a dollar value that equates to top line money - and limits the team's ability to put decent dollars toward signing (or extending) others for top 6 roles.
Ideally the Sedins will be around long enough to be properly placed into the support cast, providing secondary scoring and even checking threats any well rounded - and successful - team needs. It's the way of true top players after all - to have the ability and the endurance and the experienced leadership to take on less highlight reel roles in their twilight years. And for the Canucks, better the Sedins than trying to sign UFAs to fill those spots.
But a team wouldn't want to be paying them top line money for those 2nd and 3rd line duties cuz then what's left to be signing the youth that will have emerged/developed by then and so available to take over the offensive leadership?
So, I'd vote 2 year extensions at top line rates, or 3+ years at 2nd line rates.
Ownership is letting us vote on this, right? ;-)
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Trevor Linden for Assistant Coach.
Facebook group already started https://www.facebook.com/groups/463633793722604/
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[Report] President Trevor Linden
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Ditto.
I'd bet that the days of Canucks mgmt throwing players (Malholtra, Hodgson, Morrison, etc.)under the bus to deflect media scrutiny away from their own decisions are OVER! I'd bet instead that whatever the on-ice product, management will grace the paying consumers with the respect of honest, quality answers and insight, whatever the scrutiny being faced.
Doubt we'll all "like" or agree with the decisions made along the way, but it was long past time for a fresh personality to the team, and what better personality than the iconic face of the franchise?
With his NHL background and broader business experience, give Linden an experienced quality GM and see good stuff coming. And of course, knowing the B.C. market as he does, Linden would have gone into this decision knowing what's coming to him too - doubt he plans to duck from the weight.