C.Schneider
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My god am I thrilled with this pick.
Never thought JB had it in him to take Juolevi at 5. Was almost certain he would take Tkatchuk.
Was praying for JP or Juo, and we landed with Juo.
He is our OEL, not a Maatta.
Rest assured CDC nation, Juolevi is going to be one heck of a player for a very long, long time.
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1 hour ago, Honeydew said:
Boeser will do more next year after using this year as an experience gainer. Get off your high horses everyone when you think he's going to put up the same point stature as the leading tournament scorers. He's going to use this a learning curve to prepare himself when he goes back to UND. Next year I'm sure he'll be heavily counted on as I don't see Matthews coming back to the squad. Maybe Tkachuk but not Matthews for sure.
Nah. We should really send Matthews next year as well. WD won't be giving him much ice time anyways.
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2 minutes ago, asian player said:
I don't think it's about the numbers, but about his progression since being drafted. He's a returning 19 year old and he's playing quite poorly. If he played like the way Puljujarvi did last year, we'd be absolutely thrilled... who cares about the numbers. He's just making too many amateur mistakes. His shot looks worse than it was when we drafted him, he isn't skating as hard, and he hasn't been generating enough chances against players in his age group. Certainly, he has time to turn things around, but until we actually start seeing changes in his game, it's fair to criticize him. As a powerforward, it certainly will take time to bring it all together but I just don't like how so many people completely disregard how he has played in the past year and make excuses. We have the right to criticize his development. When he does well, we will praise him. When he has bumps in his development, we can criticize him. There are just so many people here closing their eyes, waiting for him to succeed, so they can say, "ha ha ha where are the haters now." Criticizing faults in his game is not being a "hater". I just want to see more from him in this tournament. I'm not asking for him to magically download Crosby's brain into his head and cut off Patrick Kane's hands to use, but it would be nice to see him use what he has. Let's see him skate a little harder, work a little harder, create more chances off the rush, and try to rally this team when it's down.
It isn't so much that his physical assets have diminished, but more his mental confusion.
He is trying to become a player he is not, over-thinking the game and trying to make plays above his level. Virtanen is a player that performs well when he keeps things simple, and just plays hard. Right now, he is neither, which is why it looks like his development has been put on a halt.
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3 minutes ago, CanucksFanTillDeath1995 said:
How many excuses are made up for this guy?
He has a bad season in the WHL? "Well, he is not being used properly by the Hitmen coach"
He has a bad run with Utica "He needs time to adjust to the AHL"He has a bad start to his NHL career "Well he is not put in a position to succeed and he needs time to adjust"
He has a bad WJC "Well who cares about WJC performance? All that matters is that he is gonna turn it around, I know it! He is a local kid and skates fast (not anymore) and hits! (not anymore)"
What a joke.
Not going to try and justify all that.
However I will say this. What Virtanen lacks compared to guys like Larkin, Ehlers, McCann, etc... is IQ. He doesn't have the ability to think and process the play as well as his aforementioned peers. Virtanen is a player that will never be that, so he has to rely heavily on proper coaching. He needs to be defined an exact role on the team, and he needs to follow exactly that until he is fully accustomed to his role in the NHL.
For me, his role should be a hard-nosed body banger who fights hard on the board and also loves to crash the net. He needs to simplify his game and just do this. He is physically gifted and has a pretty decent hand. He shouldn't have a hard time finding success in the NHL if he just becomes that, nothing more.
It is the hometown boy tag followed by unreasonable prime Bertuzzi-like powerforward expectation that is killing Virtanen. The more he tries to do, the less he outputs. This guy needs few years of really good guidance and coaching.
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4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
I almost forgot this gem of another boy from BC. But hey, it's dirty right, wouldn't want this guy on the team either right? Nooo of course not.
I wouldn't really associate dirty with Shea. I mean reckless, fearless, blunt, monstrous... yes. But dirty? I don't know... for me dirty is more like Cooke, Ruutu, Marchand etc... Little a-holes who do things in the shadow without wanting to own up to their behaviour and action.
Even that GIF right there, just shows Shea doesn't give a f***. Right in plain sight, for everyone to see. Just reckless, but strikes fear in his opponents. He'd be more than happy to square off with any Detroit incomers, if they chose to.
But I completely get your point.
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2 minutes ago, CanucksFanTillDeath1995 said:
The problem is that he has regressed since we draft him. If Virtanen had progressed since we drafted, MAYBE this pick would be defendable.
And even McCann at 6 is bad. Nylander and Larkin were still on the board.Nylander has yet to prove anything at the NHL level. Looks good, but won't judge until he has a NHL season under his belt.
Larkin is having a terrific season, but no one was expecting him to perform at this level. He is, however, on a much better development course playing with much more productive players.
That being said, I am extremely happy with McCann's display of skills. He really isn't showing any sign of disappointment for a 1st rounder... unless he was picked in the top 3, which he wasn't.
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Everyone should just relax and watch Virtanen develop.
Just pretend we drafted Jared McCann 6th overall and Jake Virtanen 24th overall. This will ease a lot of you. We can't win all the time, but at least this time, we drafted ok if you just swap their drafted order.
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Yeah vrbata sucked in the playoffs. If we aren't in a playoff position by the deadline we should sell to the highest bidder.
If anything that playoff performance plummeted Vrbata's deadline value.
A pick-up at deadline means the team is wanting extra help for the playoff... and Vrbata doesn't bring that.
We could probably get more from a team wanting the extra push to make the playoff.
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We traded you for this guy.
Check if the human cloning machine is ready.
We need to duplicate more of me and get more of these guys.
Oh, and duplicate me one more time and actually keep me this time.
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bo played closer to 6'1" 220 lbs this year.
The bigger the better!
And he played faster as well... what a beast.
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How do you pull his
name out like there's any relevance
Let's see,
- Bo Horvat 6'0 205 lbs / Rod Brind'Amour 6'1 205 lbs
- Both drafted 9th overall
- Both extremely good two way center
- Both excellent on face-off
- Both leaders on and off the ice
- Both extremely strong
- Both fitness fanatics
- Both have great on ice vision
- Both have excellent work ethics
And I didn't say Bo Horvat was the next Rod Brind'Amour, I simply said he could be our Rod Brind'Amour... as to hoping Bo will become our next captain and lead us to a Stanley Cup.
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I'm starting to think he could be our Rod Brind'Amour.
Am I wishing for too much?
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You guys are hilarious....WE NEED TO SCORE MORE!!! WE NEED MORE SKILL!!!! (gets a small'ish skilled guy....) WTFFFFF
WE DO NOT NEED THIS !!!!!asfdsafsa
CDC You guys are hilarious.
No we're not.
We just want a Corey Perry.
Is that too much to ask?
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It might play a major factor, but it shouldn't. I understand they are concerned about selling tickets, but the only thing that sells tickets is winning. To win you need the best players possible. I guarantee you that if the Canucks are bottom feeders in 5 years, not a single fan will give a rat's ass that Virtanen is a local boy. It's a complete non-factor from a business standpoint.
So my question to you again then... if Jake Virtanen serves us to the bottom feeders in 5 years, who could we have drafted as the savior?
It wasn't a choice of Jake Virtanen or Nathan Mackinnon, to which Canucks drafted Virtanen for the sole sake of him being a beloved hometown boy. It was between Virtanen, Ritchie, Ehlers, and Nylander.
4 young kids, each with their own upsides, but all with question marks.
You go into any meeting to choose between those 4 and you'll hear the clear cut business decision of hometown Virtanen.
This isn't rocket science.
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We needed a scoring winger and Benning screwed that up LOL.
Did we not draft Virtanen?
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He looks so excited!
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Avs third line center.
A pick that fits the Avs.
Canucks need to pick towards higher potential / higher risk player.
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I kind of like how few fracks Bettman gives
When that is the treatment he receives everywhere, all the time, he probably feels more comfortable than hearing applause.
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Great pick by Tampa.
He'll be properly groomed.
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Well, Virtanen is never going to reach "stardom". So therefore, the casual fans will never know him. Apart from the occasional AHL call-up for injuries, later down the road.
They may, or never reach stardom.
I'm not saying someone will.
What I'm saying is we had the 6th overall.
Which player was labelled the clear cut 6th pick? They all had their ups and downs, they all had their risks.
Virtanen was the management choice as he was in that ball park, and had the hometown factor.
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Winning puts fans in seats. That's it. Hypothetically, let's say the Canucks miss the playoffs for 5 straight seasons. Do you reall think anyone is going to say "You know, normally I wouldn't buy tickets to see such a bad team, but heck, Virtanen is from Abbotsford, let's go!" Of course not.
Winning is the best business model, plain and simple.
What are you talking about?
If you want to quote something, make sure you understand the context that is being discussed.
I said you can't ignore him being the hometown boy, and how that would have an effect on managements' decision on drafting Virtanen. This is business, and every selling point counts when you're making a business decision.
Of course winning is a selling point, who said it wasn't?
But if you're comparing, let's say, Virtanen to Ritchie, who would management lean towards?
If they really are similar, and there is no way to determine who will be the better player in the future without a crystal ball, do you not think hometown factor would play a MAJOR role in Vancouver's selection?
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Put's fans in seats? Get's the media hyped? Does the CDC seem "hyped" about Virtanen to you?
It is split 50/50, and in case you want to refute that, discontent is louder . And did you know probably 95% of Canucks revenue is generated by people who don't roam the CDC board like you and I? Just because you reside on this board you seem to foolishly think CDC members represent the majority of Canucks fans. On the contrary, it is a very minimal percentage of die-hard fans who are on this board.
The majority of ticket / merchandise buyers are casual fans who won't even know who Aaron Ekblad or Jake Virtanen is. They don't care who they are until they reach stardom. The one point that will sell to them is the fact that the Canucks drafted a home town boy from Abbotsford.
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I'm choosing to believe that Virtanen being from BC had no influence on the decision to pick him. The alternative is terrifying. Selecting players because of where they're from is among the worst ideas possible for an NHL team. I can't believe Benning would be that foolish.
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Marketing. Puts fans in seats. Gets the media hyped.
Before the Canucks is a sport to you and I, it is business to the owners and management group.
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Looks like this will be JB's best draft pick in his Canucks' history.
People still complaining about this pick can go stuff their behind with meat and potaters.