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Hello!
I apologize that this is another "the Canucks aren't good at drafting or developing" thread. We all know it, and it's sad. I do not expect any traction with this post, and it has potentially been done before. If so, by all means, lock it up.
I don't post much, but this thought has been rattling around my brain for a while: what if the Canucks just took the next best player in the draft?
- The definition of this in my head is a little hazy, so I decided it meant the next player with either 100 games played, or with more games played/points than the Canucks draft pick.
- The player had to be less than 30 picks down the draft, or before the next Canucks pick
Additionally, what if the Canucks drafted the best player in that draft position?
- By "the best" I mean, the best player in the next 30 picks, or between Canucks picks, whichever is shorter.
I decided to look at the drafts from 2010 to 2017 as more recent drafts are hard to use the wonderful power of hindsight on. I only used the picks that the Canucks actually made and I am no going to provide much, if any analysis. Just going to provide the lists of players that could have been.
Why did I do this? Because, like most Canucks fans I have a painful obsession about "what could have been." I like to inflict frustration on myself (and in this case, others) over things I have zero control over. So, have a happy read, dream about what could have been, and suffer with the reality that is.
2010 Draft
Ah, doesn't this draft bring you back? The Canucks had 5 picks and none in the first 3 rounds. Only 1 game was played by their drafted players (Alex Friesen). Many fans I recall were hoping the Canucks were going to draft the Vancouver Giant Brendan Gallager, but alas we did not. The Canucks certain had opportunities to draft come great players at their picks. Could you imagine having Gallager and Stone?
2011 Draft
The Canucks had a TON of draft picks this year (8 in total) but sadly were not able to capitalize on them. Look at that list of next-best players! Not to mention the list of "best" players.
Could you imagine having drafted Rackell and Gaudreau?
2012 Draft
Another draft with only a few picks. We even got a pretty good player in Ben Hutton in the 5th round. There were not a lot of amazing players for the Canucks to take at their picks but any combination of Skjei, Pearson, and Severson would have changed the future of the team significantly.
2013 Draft
More pick = more success right? Well the Cory Schnieder trade really paid off, because the Canucks selected the best player possible at pick number 9 (as noted by italics). This is a draft that the Canucks tried to restock the defence cupboard and missed on so many quality players, with Weeger, Shea Theodore, and Will Butcher being the most notable.
Further, I recall watching the Portland Winterhawks play and was convinced the Bjorkstrand was going to be a good NHL'er, so I am both happy and sad to see him here.
2014 Draft
The much maligned 2014 draft has some big misses. However, the Canucks chose the "best" player at their pick TWICE; those being Thatcher Demko and Gustav Forsling. This is by far the best draft performance up to this point with over 1200 games played and over 440 points. Unfortunately, they missed Pasternak by 1 pick. And, I recall many fans wanted Nylander (or Ehlers) instead of Virtanen (myself included). Again, things could have been SO. MUCH. BETTER.
2015 Draft
Another draft where we hit on a couple picks, we almost got a Calder trophy out of it. However, we missed on some good depth players, again.
2016 Draft
Oh no, don't look. We could have drafted Tkachuk and Fox with our first 2 picks. The bottom of the draft nobody hit on players, so the Canucks picks weren't bad per se.
At this point I had to make the cut off for the "next-best" player 50 games rather than 100 due to the lack of players.
2017 Draft
The last one to look at. Well, this one is looking pretty good so far, we picked the best player in EP40 and 4 other players have plated in the NHL thus far. However, the player fans hoped the Canucks would draft instead of Kole Lind - Nic Hague, has turned out pretty well. Again, some good, young depth could have been drafted, but it wasn't.
At this point I had to make the cut off for the "next-best" player 20 games rather than 50 due to the lack of players.
Okay, so the Canucks drafted 51 players over 8 years, enough to fill out a whole roster and max out the amount of contract they are allowed to hand out.
Now I absolutely do not think any team should 100% on their picks, and I understand that what I have done is a ridiculous fantasy. I just like to sit in anguish thinking about what could have been.
Now, I leave it up to you to think about what could have been. What is the best roster you could make out of the 2 best-case scenario drafts?
Comments, questions, and concerns are welcome.
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On 12/14/2022 at 12:56 PM, Bobby James said:
This is great thank you.
Is christian wolanin too old to be on here? I guess would make sense if so since he is 27.
He certainly could be on the list. However, at the beginning of the season I didn't have an interest in him as a player.
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23 hours ago, Psycho_Path said:
Missing Linus Karlsson
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
I believe he is in there under the Pro-League, AHL section, sandwiched between the injured Karl Plasek and Marc Gatcomb. At the time of posting he had 10 points in 7 games, which is pretty good all things considered.
Let me know if there's anything else I may have missed, or people you'd like me to track. -
Updated stats, Nov 5th.
Let me know if you see any glaring errors, I tend to go through it quickly. Also, if there is anything you like to see or questions you have, feel free to ask!
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Hello!
It is that time of year again! In the spirit of Down By The River I will keep my version of the prospect stat tracker going this year. This thread is for keeping track of some of the Canucks prospects until the end of the 2022-23 season. My definition of prospect is not nuanced and I have included ones that I personally enjoy keeping track of. If there is someone that you want on the list that hasn't been added, please let me know!
I will not keep track of potential draft eligibles, sorry about that.
Questions you may have:
How often will I update?
I will do my best to update monthly.
Where do I get the stats from?
From the league websites or from eliteprospects depending on availability.
If you have any particular questions or if you notice an error, please feel free to contact me.
Dec 10, 2022 - All injured players have now returned to their lineups - Hugo Gabrielson, Daimon Gardner, and Karl Plasek.
Karl Plasek has been loaned to the Czech League and has been moved to the European Section
Nov 5, 2022 - Removed Traded PlayersSpoiler
Tuesday Oct 11, 2022
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On 5/24/2022 at 6:42 PM, -Vintage Canuck- said:
“Everything was intense and I was tired,” said Podkolzin when asked about how he felt physically after the season. “I asked the guys from Vancouver how they prepare for the season and they only start going to the gym and on the ice in mid-August. Then, when they come to Vancouver, they begin to train intensively. I started in mid-July, so, maybe I started early. On the other hand, I felt great throughout the season except for the ending.”
Maybe my reading comprehension has failed me, but Podz is saying that the players don't start going to the gym until August? Doesn't that seem a little late?
Can someone please reassure me that I am reading that incorrectly.
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Stats updated as of the 16th of April, 2022.
The European leagues are in their playoffs now so I added a new section for the playoffs.
The NCAA players appear to have completed their season.
The North American Amateur and Pro leagues are still going strong but are finishing soon and gearing up for the playoffs.
I will add to the playoffs section as required and will soon retire the regular season stats as the leagues finish.
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Stats updated as of the 26th of March.
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17 hours ago, bigbadcanucks said:
Will save you the trouble of updating. Players on AHL deals excluded.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/77/vancouver-canucks/in-the-system
This is amazing, thank you!
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Hello!
This is my first big post. I got tired of having to look up each prospects stats and progress, so in the spirit of Down By The River I have created my own version of the prospect stat tracker. This thread is for keeping track of some of the Canucks prospects until the end of the 2021-22 season. My definition of prospect is not nuanced and I have included ones that I personally enjoy keeping track of. If there is someone that you want on the list that hasn't been added, please let me know!
I will not keep track of potential draft eligibles, sorry about that.
Questions you may have:
How often will I update?
I will do my best to update monthly.
Where do I get the stats from?
From the league websites or from eliteprospects depending on availability.
If you have any particular questions, please feel free to contact me.
Playoff Stats Updated May 15, 2022
End of Regular Season Stats
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Playoff Stats16 April, 2022
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Regular Season Stats 16 April, 2022
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Stats 26 March, 2020
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If we were to compare him to any previous Canucks defensemen who would his comparable be?
I have an idea of who I think he could be like, but I want to see what you all think!
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What kind of player do you think that Lockwood projects to in the NHL if/when he gets there? Does anyone have a comparable in mind?
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I take it people don't know what a modern chiropractor does or what schooling they get. Take 5-10 minutes and research. I'm not saying that it was right to comment on the play or for The Province for allowing the article to go to print. Just addressing that not all chiropractors conform to the stereotype that is out there.
As for EP, thrilled to see that he's back on the ice already. That can only be a good sign. A full and rapid recovery would be amazing!
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Just for a quick comparison to some recent Canucks draft picks in their D+1 year.
Bo Horvat: 1.37 ppg
Horvat's Stats: 54 games, 74 points
Jared McCann: 1.45 ppg
McCanns Stats: 56 games, 81 points
Kole Lind (season not over): 1.62 ppg
Lind's Stats: 50 games, 81 pointsNow, I know that they aren't exactly great comparables, but the numbers are intriguing and promising to Canucks fans. If Kole can progress at rate similar to Jared McCann, that would be awesome.
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3 hours ago, flickyoursedin said:
enjoy fellas!
@~6:50 Some slick hands even though nothing comes of it.
@~8:50 Goes for a big hit
@~12:50 the nifty moves and his goal
He shows some real flashes of brilliance.
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Does anyone have a link for the game that is not TSN related? For those of us who can't use the TSN feed.
PM if possible.
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17 hours ago, c00kies said:
I feel like the average player is getting bigger, as goons have basically been removed from the league. Losing the goons means you lose the highest end of "big players", so it being stagnant means that the lower end (or at least the middle) is picking up the slack. So this means that we're seeing more big guys with skill, rather than small skilled players and big goons.
This is strictly speculative on my part and has no sources to backup my claims.
I see what you're saying, and it makes sense. How many goons are/were there, (on average) per team though? One or two? So somewhere between 30-60 players that were designated fighters? Personally, that seems a little high, but for arguments sake lets say there were 45 designated goons in the league in any given year (obviously this is guesswork and inexact).
Now, I don't think that the league has gotten rid of all the players that partake in regular tomfoolery, but a rough estimate could be about 50% of them are left. So that would mean about 22-23 players/roster spots are open to non-"goons." Which, is a fair amount.
I did a quick check of the NHL.com player data base for the amount of players that are 6'5" and above, and then counted how many are fighters (given my knowledge of NHL players, the number of fighters may be a little off - it was based off of the player reputation and the amount of PIMs the player had).
Number of Players 6'5" and above:
2015: 44 - 3 fighters
2014: 39 - 4 fighters
2013: 45 - 7 fighters
2012: 46 - 6 fighters
2011: 43 - 9 fighters
So, with this incredibly un-scientific review, you can see that there has been an increase in big players that are not fighters, but it's not a huge difference. Additionally, a lot of the players barely saw any ice time, so that would tell you that a lot of them aren't full time players, or good enough to play in the NHL consistently as of yet.
I realize that my choice of height value was arbitrary (I didn't have a lot of time), and that this isn't particularly illuminating (and is deeply flawed). So do with it what you choose.
However the case, I hope that Rodin can pull through his injury, have a good showing at camp and make a positive difference on the Canucks team this year. It would be wonderful if we could have a little more depth of scoring! -
4 hours ago, Boudrias said:
I agree that Rodin is a crap shoot and I will watch his pre-season with interest. A 1 year deal to find out is worth it. As a rule I want heavier players and not a team overloaded with lighter snipers. The NHL gets bigger and heavier every year. As much as Canuck fans get excited about the bigger players coming into the roster it is through necessity which Benning realizes.
The Canucks are not a heavy team. Look at the size of the competition. The Jets and Oilers are getting big fast!
Some awesome person collected data on the heights and weights of NHL players over almost 100 years and then charted them here:
https://hockey-graphs.com/2015/02/19/nhl-player-size-from-1917-18-to-2014-15-a-brief-look/
It shows that player size in recent years is stagnating, not increasing. If anything, it peaked in the early 2000's and then has been on a slight decline since the 2004 lockout. This trend should bode well for players that are slightly smaller and have skill. Whether Rodin can succeed at the NHL level is up for debate right now, considering he hasn't played here yet, and is recovering from injuries that may set him back from optimal performance at training camp.
I realize that this may not directly refute your point that some of the teams around the Canucks are getting bigger, and indeed some of them have. A couple good question to ask could be:- What roles are the bigger players on these teams having? (top/bottom 6 fwd? top 4 d?)
- How much are they on the ice? (are they on long enough to make an impact?)
- Who are they on the ice with? (are they complimenting smaller players to make room or are they a big bruising line/D-pair?)
- Skill set? (Big =/= tough or intimidating?)
I'm sure there are more questions you could ask, but I've gone off on a tangent, and this is the Rodin thread. Personally, I hope he can make the roster and be a serviceable player for the Canucks, but only time will tell. Expectation beyond that from me seems unproductive.
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This is a little off topic, but I don't really know where to pose this question, and it doesn't have enough in terms of substance to warrant a new thread.
Does running speed correlate with skating speed? I ask because I want to start playing ice hockey (I haven't played since before my preteen years) and I haven't skated much (maybe 3-5 times) in the last decade +.
When I was younger I was a slow sprinter, but now I am relatively quick. So I want to know if this sprinting speed will be of any help, or if should I temper my expectations? (I'm used to being one of the faster guys on a field when playing sports).
Also, I haven't read this thread in it's entirety, so if someone could suggest some leg exercises that aren't squats, lunges, box jumps, or interval that would help me get some variety into my workout, it would be very much appreciated.
Thanks
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I can't believe i just spent 3 hours 'reading' 100 pages of this.
A Retrospective Draft Fantasy Thread
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Oh, I remember this! This is exactly what I wanted to see.