Pyrene
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5 pts in 8 games. This guy is flying ridiculously under the radar around here
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Mark Cuban asked me to send you this
http://dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Dallas-Mavericks-Championship-Ring.jpg
Key word: meddle.
Its better to have 1 vision as a team and act upon it rather dispersed ideas that really lead no where.
Why do you think the Mavericks can't ever hold on to GMs well? Clearly there are conflicting ideals of control and vision.
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Knew it from the moment of the Torterella hire.
Any time an owner meddles with a GM's job, you can bet that team is not going to be successful.
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only in Toronto do leaves fall in the spring :D
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remember the days when Leafs fan stayed in the closet? oh I miss those days.
I thought the Canucks fan base had a lot of idiots, but I guess they have an even larger fanbase.On a team that doesn't have much puck control % and a TERRIBLE corsi, who on the team would get a lot of ozone start, PERIOD?
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I'm a pretty diehard Canucks fan, and I hope the Leafs don't make the playoffs as much as the next guy, but I don't think a fan of the Vancouver Canucks should accuse any other teams of being "chokers".
It's like trying to make fun of the homeless when you're living in that cardboard box by East Hastings and Main
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I honestly think Lack is in play, not Luongo. We might be trying to showchase Lack rn.
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Haven't you taken any Highschool level English? as the saying goes, "Who cares what you think?"
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what was Cherry saying about Peter Angelo? i missed it
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Last year -5, this year +22. Still plays against the opposing teams best players a lot.
Erie is really good and that helps, but building confidence as a hockey player is as much or more important than building skill.
You can have all the skill in the world, but if you don't have the confidence to make the right play at the right time then it goes to waste.
a la. Burrows
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1-5 L. With the sudden parade of trash scoring hat-tricks against the Canucks as of late, I nominate Phil "the thrill" Kessel to score a hatty tmrw.
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Wow, could you act any more dumb? I like how you say I can't back up my arguments when the reality is you are the one unable to back up yours. You just cherry pick stats like the typical plug, and now you are upset because I called you on it. Try again, clown.
I listed stats vs playoff teams and non playofffs team this season compared to last. How is this cherry picking?
But hey, i get it. You have a hard-on for Torts. At least back up your arguments eh?
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can't believe how many of you guys are passing off pure speculation as a legitimate position to argue from
there's no reason to believe Torts lost or never had the room, we have every reason to believe the untalented squad we have has been in slow decline for years now. the problems we have now are the same problems we had last year, just worse. same as last year compared with the year before that, too. this was a long time coming
the issue isn't coaching, it's an overrated, under talented roster
Agree with the first part, disagree with the second.
"Slow decline" might be a worse description for "key players injured". Our problem has always been lack of a top 6 fwd, and ever since Ehrhoff left, a puck moving dman. Its just been more apparent these last 2 years. These qualities were, and are, just magnified more than ever right now when the absence of our top scorer has been injured, our scoring has dried up.
Adding to that, it was less apparent last year because the Sedins were forced to play a more defensive role and still scored at near PPG. We were a 1 line team. Playoffs showed that when the Sedins were shut down, the team was shut down.
However, the core still needs a tweak, as Higgins, nor Hansen, is a top 6 fwd. We're still in desperate need for one. In addition, Edler and Garrison has been MIA for quite some time now,, and Burrows needs to fix whatever he has going on.
Still, the horizon becomes less bleak when Kassian develops, the Sedins and the dcorps healthy, a more than obvious Booth buyout happens, and when Torts adjusts his system to suit his corps of players.
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Good job in cherry picking stats just like the other guy. Yeah, we beat Anaheim in their own building. They owned us in ours just before that.
I can cherry pick stats too, buddy. We beat Boson 6-2 under Torts. How do you like that? Torts being back didn't suddenly make us worse, which you are clearly implying.
Stop with your dumb posts already.
you're cute. can't back up your arguments then blatantly call other people dumb.
I've also noticed you never responded to my posts. why the hell are you even here? to shove your chauvinistic thoughts down other peoples throats in blind hopes that they might believe what you say, just for the sake of that little, but much needed reassurance it may give for you to crawl another day?
Troll.
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I think he has and now he wants new players. I'm not sure Torts ever had the room because his reputation proceeded him. Hiring Torts was always a risky move but I don't think they are going to get rid of him anytime soon and they very well might change some players for him. Remember he has a 5 year contract and the Aquilinis aren't likely to want to pay him for 4 years doing nothing so there is a good chance he outlasts Gillis. I don't think The Aqulinis will fire Gillis anytime soon either though because they like the fact they can control him.
Exactly. Its either Torts goes or the players go. And Torts likely isn't going anywhere as it would make Gillis lose face. As result, Gillis reported that he's ready to "retool" for players that suits Tort's needs.
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The Sedins point production has declined each year since 2010-2011 but they are becoming better defensively and overall. Kesler is having his best offensive season since 2010-2011. Higgins projected having his best season since 2007-2008. Santorelli having his best season ever point wise.
As for Torts' systems...
Ask Vinny Lecavalier. He's had his share of run-ins with the coach. Torts even stripped him of his captaincy before his first full season in the top job. In fact, Lecavalier was 11 dialed digits from being dealt to Toronto in December of 2001. "At one point," Lecavalier says, "I didn't want to be here." And when he found out in July he would become a free agent, he did spend a good 24 hours considering life after Torts. But then, he says, "I do believe in his system."
Issue is, Sedin's "decline" is as result of playing a different system, even during last year. Last year, H. Sedin managed 45pts over 48 (near PPG), all whilst playing a VERY defensive system with a DREADFUL PP. The difference from last year's to this is in addition to a defensive system, they're killing penalties and taking even more D-zone starts, all whilst having a similar GA/60 to last year. I, for one, do not believe they are declining, as the start of year play is really indicative of their skill. A decline is more or less gradual, and not a landslide of going 1 pts in his last 12 games (D.Sedin).
I'm not sure why you brung up Higgins or Kesler really. Kesler poised for 52 pts, which honestly, would be pretty disgusting for pre-injury Kesler. Add that to the fact that he's finally healthy since 2011, I don't see how that's an improvement.
As for Santorelli and Higgins, they're 3rd line players that have arisen to produce ~50pts as result of Tort's system of bang and crash. Their style of play suits Torts, and I'm not bashing Tort's system specifically, but its just our overall team does not have the make-up for it. You can't ask the Sedins to go hard and play a bruiser style of hockey to fetch the puck. It's not how their game works. Goes back to my round peg in square hole argument.
Like honestly if you put Tort's style on the Chicago Blackhawks team of pure finesse and skill, it wouldn't suit them as well as it would suit the LA Kings.
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You are seriously saying Torts has the lost the room already.
Crikey some people need to think before they post.
WIth the way he treats his players? He's trying to keep players accountable playing a system that doesn't allow them to succeed. You have a group of veterans that found success at the NHL level before, and when you place them in a sh*thole of a system that reduces his top scoring stars into a laughing stock scoring at the pace of Tom Sestito, tell me how his players can trust him after that?
He knows his players aren't sticking to his system, and when your players don't buy into your system, its pretty indicative of how influential you are as a coach.
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We sucked last year. Your record you posted doesn't actually prove otherwise. We only made 3rd place last season because of our crappy division. Get a clue, chump.
We have the virtually the same players these last two years. If we sucked last year, how are we this year?
If we sucked last year, and vs PLAYOFFS ONLY TEAM we're 7-6-5, and we're 6-9-4 vs PLAYOFFS ONLY TEAMS this year, how does the Math add up buddy? If we have a worse record this year vs the same bottom feeders compared to the "we sucked last year" team, how are we doing bud? Need me to fetch a calculator for you?
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You are doing a piss-poor job proving me wrong. You clearly don't have a clue.
whoa! you're showing me alright! I loved your post man. 10/10. I loved how substantiated your argument is.
Care to elaborate?...oh wait.
edit: if you'd like, you can search our record last year vs weak teams compared to this year. We even have a worse record vs weak teams this year. but man, you're showing me!
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Umm, newsflash buddy, but we were also stuck in a weak NW division, that's how we still finished high. This team no longer has bad teams to beat up on.
okay... vs WC playoffs teams last season that made the playoffs, the Canucks were 7-6-5.
this season, vs WC playoffs team (will include PHXm not MIN), the Canucks are 6-9-4.
What else you got, buddy?
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This team was not even performing with AV either so what's your point.?
The point is with the same amount of injuries as playing just as defensively structured last season, AV's Canucks finished 3rd in the conference.
The point is that AV can run a team just as defensively sound as Torterella without having to buy a goal.
The point is that other teams with not even nearly as much skills as the Canucks are in the same ranking as them.
The point is that the players were never struggling nearly as much under AV as they are under Torterella.
The point is that The Canucks have 4 wins in their last 18 games.
Do you need it dumb'd down any more for you, Einstein?
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AV would have made no difference. They can't score because they can't score. Almost 20 games is the fault of both Daniel and Henrik. Scotty Bowman would get the same results with the same players. I really doubt the extra ice time is that much of a factor. It's two minutes. For such conditioned athletes, they can't handle an extra two minutes on average?
It was more than 2 minutes early on in the season. It was almost 3-4 minutes. In addition to more minutes, they are playing tougher minutes. More D-zone starts means more checking.
Adding to that, I'm an athlete. 1-2 extra minutes at 100% is hard. Even if it were an extra 2 minutes, going at 100% for 1-2 extra minutes for maybe 1-2 weeks is tolerable. Doing it for an entire season is not. Judging by the reports of how the twins can do 2 miles in under 10 minutes means already shows that their conditioning is top notch.
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Here is the bottom line of this thread...We have 2 options here and they are
#1 Gillis admits he was wrong by hiring Torts and only did so to try and have AV's polar opposite would help this team....Now im not saying we need AV back because we don't...No I say Lavioette...He has experience was a good coach for the Flyers but they slumped this year and change was used he could be a great option for us
#2 Gillis trades everybody for Torts style players in an attempt to get this team on track again without going through the process of getting another new coach
There are pros and cons to both as any decision...there is a #3 but that's just Gillis gets fired and somebody else has to cleanup this mess and falls right back to 1 or 2
Agree with everything except for Lavioette. He is an ill-prepared coach with no sense of organization.
Anyways, the only thing left I have to say is that Torts realizes he lost the room. He knows he eff'd up.
Look at him during games and interviews now compared to before. He acts like a bulldog that got nuddered because he knows that he isn't getting through to the players.
Yelling isn't going to solve the situation, and thank god he realizes it. What he needs to realize now is how to change his system to let our players thrive.That's the only way to win the room back. Otherwise, he's going to have a lot on his mind to think about when he's eventually left without a job.
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Feels like a Grabner or a Raymond- "WHY CAN"T YOU BE CONSISTENT?"
Jensen has that elite skill. He's just not consistent and it probably infuriates him as much as it infuriates us. From personal experience, inconsistencies are as result of a bad fundamentals, and those aren't easy to fix, esp. given his window to make the NHL