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Gillis is an awful GM. Feaster sucks to. I want Paul Fenton to be given an interview (preds assistant GM). He does all the scouting which is a HUGE problem on this team

ooo another delusional gillis fan. news flash. he is the worse gm in our history. he dismantled this team.see treatment of Luongo and our return for 2 elite goalies to answer your next question

Gillis: "We're going to get back to the style of play that made us successful 6 years ago."

30 goals? stay off the boards and do your job Gillis

Torts is a victim of way to much hate. Look at the team. Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Higgins-Kesler-Kassian Booth-Matthias-Hansen Sesito-Richardson-Weise/Archibald/Lain Hamhuis-Bieksa Garrison-Edler Stanton-Tanev Lack Markstrom Goalies - Gillis destroyed the great tandem. Not torts fault. Not lacks. Yes we had Luongo, but we have an average team Defense - I really like how Stanton has played. Good pick up, excellent training by Torts. Am I the only person here who thinks Tanev has looked really good to? The top 4 is where there are problems. Hamhuis has been okay, but not what we need from our #1. Bieksa has been less than okay. Garrison unnoticeable. Edler... just no. AWFUL this season. Offense - we have 3 top 6 guys. Burrows is really pushing it for 4. Higgins I can't classify as a 2nd liner. What is Torts supposed to do? He has a team that I said from day 1 would not make playoffs. We feasted on the Northwest, now nothing. I hope we draft Nick Ritchie (goal scoring PWF). Watch what Torts will turn him and Jensen into. Then nobody will complain. If I had to grade Torts, I would give him a C+ (the Luongo bench and flames incident keep him out of the B range. + adequate record)

For the NTC a lot of those guys are veterans (35+) and have been with the franchise forever. Quite a bit are on short term deals as well. Kessel is better than Seguin... and he does it with an average center and 2nd line LW. You all realize he is top 3 in overall points since the deal went down? I am not denying Seguins ability, but Kessel is better. Would I deal both Seguin and Hamilton for Kessel? No. Because the difference is not that significant but there still is one. Are you attempting to find issues in what I am saying or defending the bozo GM? Why so many defend Gillis is beyond me... you all should seriously go on the TSN boards and Twitter where they are calling for his head.

check no trade clauses buddy. we have way more than other teams. we have 9 compared to LA at 1, Rangers 4 -two teams eh? I'm glad you provided an exhaustive list Colorado (2), Blues would have (4) if it was not for Ott and Miller (acquired via trade), Islanders (2) and one is JT, Oilers (2), Panthers (4) and one is Luongo! - you got me on Erhoff. My mistake. -it was a pretty obvious one - yeah forgot, got me once congrats - yes low cost for Booth, but bad pick up anyway. I will forgive Gillis on this since Kesler apparently was behind bringing in Booth. I also feel he is never utilized properly by coaches -there's no one to blame but Booth himself, he's trying to do the right things but has had injury issues partly on him and he just hasn't had the finish despite plenty of chances - hindsight's 20/20 but it was a good trade- he was a 30 goal scorer and we turned him into garbage. and we gave up "a top 6 guy" Samulsson as you say below... - i am complaining he took over 3 years to get a top 6. Its hard, sure. Should not take this long. Other teams add them, why can't he? -very first year he was here he added Demitra and Sundin, Bernier and Wellwood were moneyball pickups, the second year he added Samuelsson, the third our top 6 was established enough to make spending significantly not worth the upgrade so he added to our bottom 6 in Malhotra, Higgins, Torres and Lapierre, Hodgson was coming into the fold as well - see a trend? but feel free to share the better top 6 players you would have traded for and what it would have cost us- demitra came here for Sundin. Sundin at 38! got offered 20 million for 2 years. and did not sign until Christmas and played in January... Bernier! need i remind you Gillis passed on signing Backes for him. Backes! Exactly what this team needs. Samuelsson was good (though I said he did good signings...) Manny was a bust (love him, but sorry he was), Higgins is good (I acknowledged that myself), Torres walked after one season and many fans were furious he would not hand him a small raise... especially after a strong cup run. Let Lappy walk to and replaced him with a more expensive and less effective Ricardson. My point to you here was who has he acquired that is a top 6 guy in the last 3 years? - nobody while other teams; Sharks, Kings, Ducks, Penguins, Blackhawks, Bruins and Blues all got better. We didn't. That is his fault for not realizing a need. I am not saying he has an easy job, I am advocating that he is not realizing nor helping our weakness. - Luongo situation is way more than the heritage classic. You try being a professional and being told for almost 2 years and neing told you will be traded.Then to ride backup. Heritage classic was a huge insult but more on Torts. -easier said than done to trade a goalie with a long term contract that had recently been used as the poster child for cap recapture, all at the same time as the cap being reduced significantly - the rumours of Luongo blocking at least one trade that wasn't with Florida early on sheds a different light on the situation as well ​- again you don't argue what I said. The "situation" was embarrassing. No canuck fan would rationalize this and justify it. Bad contract right? who signed him? Exactly. - Prospects - better now but we got Horvat for overpayment. You seem to know this and blame the situation (understandable). Shinkaruk was a fluke since Calgary is stupid. Gaunce is pretty good. Cassels and Jensen are fine. Our prospects look better but you can't deny this 50 games drafting. Raymond went in 05 I believe so that means nobody played 50 games in a Canucks uniform since Gillis era in 2007. Hodgson is a stretch considering he got dealt. I can count Kassian? How are teams like Hawks, Pens and Bruins (Red Wings to!) able to use draft picks well? -the situation was a major factor, and if there'd been a better offer before or even at that time then I could find fault with Gillis but there wasn't, as for the prospects Hodgson isn't a stretch, he's a fact, the Hawks were terrible for years which got them their stars, same with the Pens, and the Bruins were gifted excellent picks by Toronto in the Kessel trade, the Red Wings are the model for most teams but they have a long term development plan for all their prospects who cares about his situation? (Hodgson) he was signed for another year. trade him then? More value. Trade him for more? Could have. Pens sucked for a little bit and got lucky with the lockout and Crosby. Hawks sucked for a while, but won 2 cups in 4 years. Bruins have been good for a long time. Gifted picks? Correct. But Kessel > Seguin. Hamilton and Seguin > Kessel. Plus they dealt Seguin. Gillis has done far more harm than good. Especially lately by watching the team tank. How anyone honestly rationalizes his ability as GM is beyond me. In addition he trades both goalies and goes for the cup....? In addition he leaves Lack in net... Do you realize how difficult this is for him? Battling an all season injury last year, coming back and randomly being starter? He is a rookie. Killed his confidence. Deserves to be canned. I hate seeing people being fired but this is so deserved.

I hope he rebuilds... By he I mean our new GM (one can dream). Anyone defending Gillis has lost their mind. I feel bad for Torts, nothing to work with. I hope we tank and get into the top 5 for the draft. Hopefully Horvat turns into something special and we can build around him.

You are a goof Poile is 10x the GM Gillis is Gillis overview; - good free agent signings (brought in Hamhuis, Garrison etc.//) - good cap on signings but... - TO MANY NTC -similar number or less NTCs than most other top teams - trades: this should be fun - got Booth (great 4.2 cap hit for 10 points) -cost was Samuelsson and Sturm, and Booth had 29 points in 52 games his first season with us, injuries couldn't have been predicted to have the effect they did - Kassian for Hodgson (I don't want to hear their developing... we got wrecked on this deal and I don't care about his attitude.Trade him for more if he is a major issue) -just because you don't want to hear it doesn't mean it wasn't a reasonable trade involving a player that wanted out - Schneider for Horvat.... no explaining needed -I would have liked an extra piece, but did you get a better offer we should have taken (for Schneider or Luongo) - only good trade was Higgins -Ehrhoff? Lappiere? I feel you haven't researched that properly - Luongo deal was decent AT BEST - again, you know of a better deal for a goalie that wanted out? - BALLARD DEAL -a good defender in Phoenix and Florida brought in to fill a hole that wasn't yet filled by Hamhuis, didn't work here but we sent them a cap dump and a player that only turned his game around after being waived by the Panthers, the 1st (Howden) hasn't turned into anything special at this point - let Erhoff walk... -he didn't let him walk, he offered him a deal similar to Bieksa and Ehrhoff turned it down, so he traded him for a 4th rather than let him walk - the way he treated Luongo - deserves termination by itself -Gillis didn't choose Lack over Luongo at the Heritage Classic, nor Schneider over Lu in the Kings playoff series, the coaches did based on those goalies improved stats compared to Luongo - the fact he did NOTHING -I think it's pretty clearly established he did lots of things - we have had major issues 3 straight seasons (lack of top 6 forward, and 3rd line center, which he just addressed) -easier said than done to get a true top 6 forward, Booth was an attempt at that, good 3rd line centers don't grow on trees as well, but Pahlsson, Roy, Richardson - what else do you want? - offense has been an issue all season and he didn't add anyone -yes, because again top 6 guys are easy to find, he should have traded Kesler and a 1st for Vanek I guess? - is totally oblivious to the fact we need a rebuild. see Kesler still here for evidence -Sutter plus a late 1st and 2nd for Kesler is a deal you'd take? now we know you're crazy - rejected rumored excellent deals for Luongo - got greedy -I heard of no rumours I'd accept, feel free to share your sources that prove me wrong - I simply can never get over how he treated Luongo... and for those assuming oo its one guy. No. Gillis likely made everyone else realize that Vancouver is a horrible destination. -pretty sure we've covered that already - we had the best tandem arguably in the NHL for years and got them for a prospect, AHL goalie (granite with potential) and a 3rd line center. -that return sucks but you wanted to trade Kesler for the crap the Pens offered? - screwed us in cap as well -I assume you're talking about the $800K in retained cap for Luongo, or maybe the as yet undetermined cap recapture penalty that the NHL put into effect after the fact, clearly Gillis' fault - and DRAFTING. 1 guy has played 50+ games for Canucks since 2005! Raymond... and he went away for nothing. I know scouts are mainly responsible for this... but he is the dam GM... -you can't not give him credit for Hodgson just because he traded him, Schroeder has 46 NHL games, Jensen, Archibald, Corrado, Grenier and Hutton developing well, Tanev and Lack grabbed for free as undrafted players, Horvat, Shinkaruk, Cassels and Gaunce looking to make impacts from recent drafts soon - it's nowhere near as bad as you're suggesting - check no trade clauses buddy. we have way more than other teams. we have 9 compared to LA at 1, Rangers 4 - you got me on Erhoff. My mistake. - yes low cost for Booth, but bad pick up anyway. I will forgive Gillis on this since Kesler apparently was behind bringing in Booth. I also feel he is never utilized properly by coaches - i am complaining he took over 3 years to get a top 6. Its hard, sure. Should not take this long. Other teams add them, why can't he? - Luongo situation is way more than the heritage classic. You try being a professional and being told for almost 2 years and neing told you will be traded.Then to ride backup. Heritage classic was a huge insult but more on Torts. - Prospects - better now but we got Horvat for overpayment. You seem to know this and blame the situation (understandable). Shinkaruk was a fluke since Calgary is stupid. Gaunce is pretty good. Cassels and Jensen are fine. Our prospects look better but you can't deny this 50 games drafting. Raymond went in 05 I believe so that means nobody played 50 games in a Canucks uniform since Gillis era in 2007. Hodgson is a stretch considering he got dealt. I can count Kassian? How are teams like Hawks, Pens and Bruins (Red Wings to!) able to use draft picks well? - Kesler deal - I have heard that rumor but also heard a Sutter, 1st, Desperes or Pouliot and Bennett. - This deal should have been done if true. The one you posted should have been rejected, as he did.

did I hurt your feelings? Why do we allow 5 year olds posting abilities?

You are a goof Poile is 10x the GM Gillis is Gillis overview; - good free agent signings (brought in Hamhuis, Garrison etc.//) - good cap on signings but... - TO MANY NTC - trades: this should be fun - got Booth (great 4.2 cap hit for 10 points) - Kassian for Hodgson (I don't want to hear their developing... we got wrecked on this deal and I don't care about his attitude.Trade him for more if he is a major issue) - Schneider for Horvat.... no explaining needed - only good trade was Higgins - Luongo deal was decent AT BEST - BALLARD DEAL - let Erhoff walk... - the way he treated Luongo - deserves termination by itself - the fact he did NOTHING - we have had major issues 3 straight seasons (lack of top 6 forward, and 3rd line center, which he just addressed) - offense has been an issue all season and he didn't add anyone - is totally oblivious to the fact we need a rebuild. see Kesler still here for evidence - rejected rumored excellent deals for Luongo - got greedy - I simply can never get over how he treated Luongo... and for those assuming oo its one guy. No. Gillis likely made everyone else realize that Vancouver is a horrible destination. - we had the best tandem arguably in the NHL for years and got them for a prospect, AHL goalie (granite with potential) and a 3rd line center. - screwed us in cap as well - and DRAFTING. 1 guy has played 50+ games for Canucks since 2005! Raymond... and he went away for nothing. I know scouts are mainly responsible for this... but he is the dam GM... YEAH GREAT GM! YOU TOTALLY MADE YOUR POINT. boggles my mind at people who still believe in this incompetent bozo. As for Torts, he has nothing to work with. However his system is a good one, but not for this team. He needs more PWFs and big defensive defenseman.

I want to start a fire Mike Gillis chant.... who is in?

Wow. That performance by their goalie. Completely played beyond anything I have ever seen. Nolan is a great coach, but that was a mistake not calling the timeout when the goalie was exhausted. Just wow to that goalie. TB may have found a hidden gem,