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1 hour ago, aGENT said:
No, what they had was a lack of NHL talent (well maybe not Dal Colle, haven't followed him closely but his seems to be more of a heart transplant issue).
That's not Quinn's 'problem'.
With respect we don't know what Hughes's problem is until he plays in the NHL - if he has a problem at all.
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2 minutes ago, aGENT said:
The usual crowd will panic and say 'see kid can't play at this level, not an NHL'er' or 'he should be in Utica' etc.
The rest of us will see it for what it is, growing pains, development and the occasional cost for all the exciting things he'll do with the puck and simply sit back and enjoy those exciting things.
Now that you mention it - growing pains, is that what Jordan Subban, Dal Colle and Shink had?
Any player, no matter where he is drafted has to show he can play the type of game that survives in the NHL. No one is a given, so you shouldn't dismiss another poster's concerns.
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I really am amazed at how many think Hughes will just walk into the team. I have big reservations on that and would prefer to see him help Utica if he is eligible and they are in the playoffs. There is no need to hurry him.
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10 hours ago, Pepe Silvia said:
Yeah, that was a head scratcher for me.
One second it's good riddance, we don't need him. Oh, but if he came back I would welcome him.No point in arguing with a guy who doesn't even know his own stance.
You and your buddy need to learn a bit about logic.
I could say I don't really fancy Lady Gaga but if I come home and find her in my bed I might think "what the hell, ok if you insist" It's all about context.
The fact that the guy said good riddance was a comment on his attitude. If he comes back with an improved attitude why wouldn't he welcome him back?
The trouble with many of you people is you try to keep score like 5th graders and in your world no one gets to change their opinion.
Which might be fine if so many were not first class hypocrites.
Hockey is a sport, it's about opinions, usually ill-informed opinions at that. None of us are coaches or GMs we just act like we are on here - including me.
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9 hours ago, 5Fivehole0 said:
6 of those players were past their prime, one didn't want to play here anymore, another 1 hated the coach for good reasons, and another got replaced by Lack and rightfully requested a trade.
You are only making my case.
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50 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:
"To defend Willie's honour."
(from the one who laughed at your post)And it really bugs the f--k out of people like you doesn't it?
Well here's a news flash I have got a lot more from where that has come from.
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18 hours ago, Sweathog said:
Anyone who would leave a team to sign somewhere else because he didn't get the ice time he thought he was entitled to is high maintenance in my opinion. He wasn't owed anything from the Canucks. He, like all the other players, have to prove to the coaches and management that they are deserving of more ice time. It's apparent that WD wasn't convinced that he deserved it, so it's on Tryamkin to buckle down and work harder and change his mind. Not to run away to his home town because he felt disrespected.
Did Tryamkin leave because of the coach? Did Willie make mistakes in handling him? Perhaps, Willie certainly made his share of mistakes (especially with the young guys), but it's all a moot point because Willie was already gone when he signed the contract to go back to Russia. So the logic of him leaving because of Willie is kinda hard to understand.
Now if he left because of the simple reason that he missed his hometown and family, and he is happier there, then that makes much more sense. And if that's the case, why not just let him stay there and be happy?
Where does this come from. He did well by all the prospects that were given to him, even those who were clearly not ready.
WD got dogs abuse for his treatment of Goldobin when all he wanted was what Green wants now - and now people on here apparently want to trade Goldy saying he just doesn't get it. (I disagree by the way)
McCann looked a hell of a lot better here than he does EVEN NOW in Florida imo. If he had had the size he has now in Vancouver he would have been running riot under WD OR Green. McCann was getting 12:31 mins ATOI under WD and even now that he is 195lbs and 6'-1" he is averaging only 14:4 mins two years later.
Bo was sheltered, protected by DD and taught defence. He is now one of the top two way centres in the League averaging 21 mins per night.
Stecher and Hutton were both nurtured under WD and Jake was doing well after the WJC (where he was slagged by the Van media) till the end of that season but decided to come back for the next season as Mr Blobby.
He was sent down to get fit in Utica, that was not WD's fault and come to think of it I didn't hear much complaint from anyone other than Tryamkin when management and coaches suggested this route for the Russian when he was visibly out of condition. From what I read Green also told Jake the same things that WD had been telling him about consistency and using his size.
Boeser was played right away for ATOI of over 16 mins for the last 9 games. This was because he was not only a hard grafter but he could handle the mins due to his fitness from the end of the College season.
Rodin was proved to have not recovered from his Swedish League injury and yet WD was crucified for not playing him by the empty jars on here. His injury was so bad, management decided to give up on him and release him
Baertschi was turned round and gave WD credit for it, as was Granlund.
Tryamkin after he got fit was turned from a VERY RAW naive defender into a player who went back to dominate in his own league the following season. I put it to anyone the thing that held Tryamkin from bigger minutes here was not WD but Tryamkin. He refused to use his god given advantages any more than randomly and if he had WD would have given him more time.
One other thing was Tryamkin's duplicity concerning his understanding the language. I recall at least 2 of his team mates saying he understood a lot more than he let on. What was the point of concealing that, other than some kind of paranoid attitude. That was unfair to the coaches.
WD had his faults I don't deny but most were based in a naive belief that Management would not only supply him with prospects who had the talent to stick but that they were ready for the NHL.
Where is LaBate, Grenier, Boucher, Goldobin, Molino, Rodin, Shore, Etem, Freisen, Kenins, Pedan, Shink, now? And when these were proven inadequate he was given Cramarossa, Chaput, Larsen, Megna, Rendulic, Skille, Zalewski, Fedun, Cracknell, Prust, Vey - All players WD had to use in his last 2 seasons.
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10 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:
Hahaha. Yeah ok. A top 5 skater on this team.
EP
Horvat
Boeser
Virtanen
Roussel
Motte
Edler
Seriously...tell me who he beats out as a skater.
Hahaha.....Come on.
I would have added Stecher, Puliot, Tanev, Beagle, Baertschi to that list and probably Loui too. I might have left Boeser off though (I think his skating needs work)
Tryamkin was not a top skater he was very good for his size. ie he was more elegant than lumbering - he was no Chara though.
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18 hours ago, 5Fivehole0 said:
Green of course did not have Anze Kopitar, Drew Doughty, Ilya Kovalchuk, Jonathan Quick, etc.... LA is hard under performing
Well on that basis Torts had the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Edler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Luongo it didn't help him "Stale" was the word he used wasn't it?
Form has a lot to do with where players are at in their career. Unfortunately even stars need youth on their side and decent players around them.
I actually don't understand the firing of John Stevens though.
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18 hours ago, 40Dangles said:
He can play on the right side, and did quite a bit here, so alot of those names you named wouldn't come into play as they are on the left. Also you are having very high expectations for guys like Rathbone, Woo, etc who haven't seen a game of pro hockey yet and won't be close to ready or the same level as NT.
Alot of people are 'bitter' he left, like he insulted their mother or something. He had a right to, had a bad experience here coaching wise and personally as the Nucks clearly didn't think about the cultural transition for him.
His usage by willie was garbage. Anyone who watched him play could see he was impacting the game in many ways and deserved more ice, WD made a mess in may ways, almost killed JV as well....so lets not forget that.
Anyone who thinks not having a 6'6'' tough, intimidating, RD who can skate on their team is 'meh who cares' is not really caring about this team imho. The big man is a game changer and we need him back, especially given our depth (lack therof) on the right side. He and Hughes will be a d pairing on par with Seabrooke and Keith in their prime. That's silly not to want that.
Of course I have high expectations. I am entitled to have them given their form and JB's record.
The hard facts for Tryamkin and a few on here is 6'6 etc etc etc or not, he is playing in a league which is hardly better than the AHL and when people like Hughes, Rathbone, Woo McEneny etc get established Tryamkin will find his size will not be enough to elevate him above 6/7 D. PLAYING 13-14 mins a night. Now we all know what happens next.
He made a choice based on family and homesickness (and Vancouver weed aromas) and I am quite sure he will be happy to live with it and stay the rest of his career making easy money in his home town. What that will do for the sanity of people like SilentSam who knows and frankly who cares.
By the way you are not any more qualified to say his usage by WD was garbage than I am or indeed Tryamkin. Live with it, as Tryamkin does.
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5 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:
Everyone just relax, he’s going to finish out his contract which runs for another year and a half!
And by that time good luck to him getting past Edler, Tanev, Hutton, Hughes, Rathbone, Woo, Juolevi and maybe even Brisebois, McEneny, Sautner. Oh and whoever we might pick this year.
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10 hours ago, krutovsdonut said:
not to excuse the most extreme manifestations of what you describe, but i think it's fair to say it's been a bumpy ride and there were points where the plan was not working and the youngsters were not in a nurturing structured environment and saying that was fair comment. you can blame that on injuries i guess but there was reason for concern.
i also am skeptical he recent moves benefiting the comets were initiated to benefit the comets. we just happened to pick up some assets that help the farm/
that being said, you are somewhat right. the lesson that "it all comes out in the wash" is probably a good one for purposes of farm team watching.
plus we got saucerman
And the point is Utica is THEIR team, THEIR "life," they don't have to care a rats ass for Vancouver, and so of course they fret over things they "perceive" to be against them. They don't look on their team as an affiliate they see them as their home town heroes. Some of us need to walk for a bit in their shoes.
Jeez we should be the last people to throw stones in that respect.
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6 hours ago, Drop Em said:
This pick up should help the Comets if he the Canucks don't call him up. The Comets need defensive help and Schenn's a big experienced guy, solid in his own end, who plays physical and although not the best of fighters, is always willing to stick up for a teammate. And all of those are attributes that the Comets seem to lack.....and the Canucks too if he gets called up. I like this trade and the extra draft pick is just a bonus.
True and one tough guy (not counting Mac and Gadj) who is willing to stick up for his team mates as we have seen can be infectious and gives the others bigger cahonas.
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3 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:
Well said Sid
I am a Tryamkin supporter
Further more to your points
I would have like to see those points separated into 1st half stats and 3nd half stats, and then compare those stats to all other Canuck Defensemen
I mean, everyone and his dog, including Willie whined about Tryamkins 1st half, with Benning even wanting to send him down
Well, I am assuming that your stats are end of the year stats...…….
So lets get these stats broken down into the 2 halves...….
I think you see a much more empowered Tryamkin, with even higher 2nd half stats.
Further more...lets compare them to top 4's around the league...…..
All I know for sure was , no body wanted to come down his side on entries, it just would not work, and usually ended up with some of my best memories from that season.
Good points on your response.....I just think that would shut up the masses in mass, for that argument, about that season...
Cheers!
His first half was down to his lack of conditioning but even when he was fit he was not even in the top 4 (not even on cyoung's "Disneyland eye test stat".
Why make an exception to hard hockey stats just to suit your bias? Maybe we should look at ALL players that way, that is just stupid.
I didn't debate SID's post because I have made my point and I did not want to waste any more time on this cr-p, I also did not see SID actually counter what I said. Tryamkin achieved the stats I showed NOT playing against the top lines 5 on 5 - enough said.
Even SID's shot blocking counter is suspect as Tryamkin could be said to have a body twice as big as Stecher yet also lacks Stecher's mobility to get in front of a shot.
I am happy for anyone to say he MIGHT have been the Canucks 4th D but I suspect he was more like their 5th and no way was he 3rd.
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On 1/13/2019 at 9:34 PM, aGENT said:
How do you think Granlund would look in the AHL in comparison?
Gaunce has shown little more than an ability to be an decent 12-14 F. Nothing wrong with that but let's not oversell what he his.
Granlund is a solid NHL, bottom 6 player who can play in both defensive and fill in offensive roles.
That said, I doubt we finish the year with both Leivo and Granlund given the roster number crunch we're facing.
You need to look at his stats - they are high in everything but points and maybe that was down mostly to the role he was asked to play in Van.
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2 hours ago, BigTramFan said:
I think that Gaunce may have a future on the big club as a low minute 4C.
Within a couple of years I don’t think we will have the cap space for two premier shutdown centres, i.e. Sutter and Beagle. One of them will have to be moved.
Now I believe that our main offensive lines will be centred by Pettersson and Horvat. They will log big minutes. Then we will have one shutdown line - call it 3rd line for arguments sake. It will also log big minutes against top lines and on the PK.
We will need to recruit a 1LW and 1RD, so we will need cap space.
This will leave a 4th line that will need to be very cheap and only log about 7 mins on 5v5 with maybe some PK time on top.
I think Gaunce would be well suited to this role. Defensively reliable and cheap. Good PK’er. Needs to keep working hard on face offs.
Put someone like MacEwen and Motte on that line. Total cost less than $3m for the whole line. Bargain!
Why not Gaudette or Granny? I think the best role for Gaudette is as a 2RW for Horvat. He’s too good for such a small role at 4C. And Granlunds best fit is as a 3LW on the shutdown line or as 13th forward. Both Gaudette and Granny provide injury cover at C.
I would like to see Gaunce play with two players he is used to in Utica when he plays in Van. Maybe MacEwen and ?
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What a voice range.
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All the rain came down
On a cold new town
As he carried you away
From your father's hand
That always seemed like a fist
Reaching out to make you pay
He came like a hero from the factory floor
With the sun and moon as gifts
But the only son you ever saw
Were the two he left you with
Oh Lord where did the feeling go
Oh Lord I never felt so low
Now the skirts hang so heavy around your head
That you never knew you were young
Because you played chance with a lifetime's romance
And the price was far too long
Oh Lord where did the feeling go
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Keep coming back to the legend that was Stuart Adamson. No one "worked" a lead guitar like Stuart RIP. Not a clue what the lead singer is saying but who cares it sounds good.
Into the valley
Betrothed and divine
Realisations no virtue
But who can defineWhy soldiers go marching
Those masses a line
This disease is catching
From victory to stoneAhoy! Ahoy! Land, sea and sky
Ahoy! Ahoy! Boy, man and soldier
Ahoy! Ahoy! Deceived and then punctured
Ahoy! Ahoy! Long may they dieOut of concealment
Blank and stark eyed
Why so uncertain
This culture deceivesProphesised, brainwashed
Tomorrow's demise
All systems failing
The placards unrollAhoy! Ahoy!…Real working class boys. They came from a mining area in Fife Scotland
Charles got a job in a factory
Drilling sheet metal from six till three
Worked extra hours for a better wage
Got lost in his task quite needlessly
I noticed his brain was a plastic box
His work rate improved 'cause he couldn't stop
He couldn't eat lunch with those metal hands
His legs were supports for new inner glands
Next when I saw him his face was gone
A stainless steel spine now instead of bone
His arms became grafted onto the switch
Six months…-
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On 1/13/2019 at 11:13 PM, Canuck Surfer said:
LOL, I was having a giggle over this again. I always thought of your character as more like this Rif?
Bought this in vinyl. I always thought they were more creative than O - mind you I never took to the Gallaghers.
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34 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:
I never said he was better than Edler or Tanev, I said he was 3rd behind them.
Well you are talking bollocks as I have just demonstrated.
As I said, he was where he deserved to be.
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16 hours ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:
No he was our 3rd best dman: Edler, Tanev, Tryamkin. That does not give you 3rd pairing minutes I am sorry. Tryamkin had clearly understood what it took to transition to the NHL, and did very well, and was stuck playing lower minutes than any other dman. He was playing barely above Larsen, and under Hutton, Stetcher, Sbisa, and Gudbranson. At that point in time Try was playing miles ahead of all of them (I do know Guddy was limited to 30 games and Larsen got Hall'ed) but it was some very bad coaching.
I think you are hallucinating.
He was not better than Edler, Tanev, Hutton, Stecher, Sbisa and in some cats behind Biega AND Larsen. In the eyes of most coaches I doubt he becomes 3rd D by a long shot.
Among all defensemen.
He was 5th in DPS.
He was 6th in PS.
He was 5th in shots blocked.
He was 1st in hits.*
He was 6th in Takeaways
He was 5th in Giveaways*
He was 5th in SAtt
He was 7th in Thru%
He was 5th in CF%
He was 6th in CF% rel
He was 4th in +/-
* good.
By the way it should be remembered that the KHL is a league where Philip Larsen gets 24+mins a night and scores 23 points.
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17 minutes ago, Zhukini said:
Weren't you the one who was endlessly defending Vrbata the one year he checked out because he didn't get to play on the twins line anymore?
No. But if I was, where is the connection?
I defended him because he was a very good player and he took unfair stick on here for saying words to the effect that it was hard to play with prospects who were not really ready for the NHL. He also could have added but didn't, that it was not easy when your team had to rely on so many AHL players.
Come to think of it was playing with the twins not a "promise" made to him to induce him to sign? If he was promised that, he should not have been because it handicapped the coach.
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1 hour ago, Boudrias said:
Tryamkin averaged a shade over 16 TOI per game in his rookie year. He might have wanted more TOI as a 3 year KHL vet but that usually doesn't carry any weight in the NHL. Tryamkin has his own ideas of how he should play which did not jive totally with his coaching.
The interview has Tryamkin being a tad more reflective and tempered in his view of time spent with the Canucks. His comments about the anti-Russian attitude in Vancouver is pretty glossed over. He said, multiple times while in Vancouver, that Russian players had to be 'better than others' to get TOI. That might have been a pressure tactic on his part to influence coaching but to suggest he never said this is not accurate.
I loved Tryamkin (even tipped him as a future Canucks captain) and thought he was coming along really well. I was a bit surprised when he said he wasn't coming back but when I heard a lot was to do with his new bride well that was out of the Canucks purview.
What disappointed me more was how he failed to give credit to the Vancouver coaches for the glaringly obvious progress he made both in development AND conditioning. He went home 3 times the player he was when he arrived - just a season and a bit earlier.
He goes on about language but seemed to fail to understand it cut two ways. Passing on coaching through a 3rd party is hardly ideal.
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No coach would have given him more ice time and no coach would have stood for a 6'-7" 240 lb demolition ball "dogging it" every few games. H e refused to use his attributes consistently so he was less the player he could have been. End of story and WGAF.
Stay off the booze, you just embarrass yourself. Tryamkin won't come back here because there will be no room for him and Green would bench a giant snowflake who didn't want to CONSISTENTLY use his size anyway.