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    [Discussion] No Boudreau? Potential Head Coaches 2022/2023

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    On 4/16/2022 at 4:17 AM, Phat Fingers said:

    Bruce has a .669 winning percentage with this team since taking over.  
     

    the only personal changes have been losing Motte and a D man and gaining Dermott.  
     

    same team that was losing under green.  
     

    the only move of substance has been hiring Bruce. 
     

    it’s a straight forward equation and it’s easy to see what the answer is.  Bruce.

    I'm a Bruce fan.

     

    I would also suggest that firing JB and bringing in JR was a huge move of substance. If there was a bad taste between the players and the old management (for a few reasons maybe, including how important vets were mishandled), clearing the slate and bringing in proven management winners could give renewed hope and motivation to the players.

    How did JR/PA do on TDL 2022? (10 being best, 1 being worst)

    in Canucks Talk

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    6 hours ago, Dazzle said:

    So if we're not a rebuilding team, why did we pay a third for Dermott? Surely, if we're getting on the 'draft pick is a negotiation tool' train, a third is better than a fourth, right? We shed some cap, of course, but we didn't do it in concert with other moves. For example, if we weakened our defense (which we surely did), we could've auctioned off other pieces to facilitate our drop in the standings, which could improve our chances at picking either.

     

    We didn't plan to tank, obviously. We also didn't plan to succeed either.

    Don't know why you think so highly about a 4th round pick, but not understand the circumstances of our team.

    What are you talking about?

     

    Let me break down my point to you:

     

    a. is getting a 4th for Motte better than letting him walk for nothing after he gives us 18 more games? I think so - do you disagree?

     

    b. We can still use a 4th in a negotiation, even if it may only be a sweetener in a deal that could help the club. Do you disagree? 

     

    If you do not disagree with (a + b), then surely you agree that (c) the pick has some sort of value we could utilize as early as this off season beyond just drafting a player with that pick in 2023 - which was my whole point to the person I responded to who did not seem to consider that, and who felt that 18 more games of Motte was better than getting a 4th.

     

    Is a 4th round pick the best asset / trade chip? Obviously not. But it is something. 

    How did JR/PA do on TDL 2022? (10 being best, 1 being worst)

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    8 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said:

    Motte had value NOW to the team, the coach, and to fans who pay the freight to watch a good team try to win.

    Doesn't matter if Motte was drafted first overall or last; not relevant at all; current value is.

    2023 is even worse as it is even another year further out.

    "Walk for nothing" is an overused express which does not include the value of the player at this time. 

    Curious about that - the value that Motte had now, what was it, exactly? His play for the remaining 18 games? Because after that, he walks - for nothing more than his play during those 18 games. Richardson is a serviceable player who can fill those remaining 18 games and then he walks on his 1 year, $800,000 contract. Off the books and off the cap. And we got him without having to give up any assets whatsoever - we gained a 4th round pick in exchange for 18 games of Motte.

     

    Once Richardson is off the books at the end of this season, we can bring up a Lockwood or cheap player to fill in the position if he is ready next season, while having Motte's cap money to spend on upgrading other parts of the team.

     

    A 4th round pick is not only a player from the 2023 draft (with a low chance of making it in the NHL), it is also a bargaining chip and an asset for trade negotiations with other teams during the offseason and moving forward. Teams may trade their 2023 picks in order to move up in the upcoming draft, and recouping a 2023 4th could be beneficial to them. The Canucks could also combine the 2023 4th along with a player we want to move for cap reasons and sweeten the deal for another team. 

     

    A draft pick has value because it offers the POTENTIAL of a good player - it's a bet, and the promise of potential that a pick contains is a valuable asset to trade, not just to use. Getting one in exchange for 18 games of Motte (who I'm a big fan of), is worth it IMO.

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    [Trade] Canucks trade Tyler Motte to Rangers for 2023 4th-round pick

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    Just now, Rindiculous said:

    So what you're saying is you'd rather trade Motte for a pick that has a less than 10% chance of turning into another Motte.  Seems kinda idiotic to me.  But I guess half of this forum loves being basement dwellers who severely overvalue picks.

    I hear what you're saying but many teams "overvalue" picks - it may be more enticing for a team to take on a cap dump player of ours without strings or retention if we can offer a 4th as a sweetener - an off-season or draft day deal, perhaps. Could also be a sweetener in a key off season trade for a young D

    [GDT] Canucks at Lightning, Thurs. Jan.13th @ 4pm, SNET Pacific, SN650

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    57 minutes ago, RakuRaku said:

    Some fun facts interesting observations for the local Vancouver market/demographics since I've been a Nucks fan since birth.....

     

    It's pretty funny that in decades past, they didn't give a DAMN about recognizing/celebrating Chinese New Year up until recent years.... somebody on the Mangement team found out "oh hey!! lots and lots of china people got $$$ to splash... let's use our warm-up jerseys to market our brand!!"  

     

    Little do they know... people from China (in general) living here don't really give a F about this team/sport... they care more about flipping homes for $$$!!

     

    And also in years past, we were so accustomed to the saying "kung hei fat choy".... and then slowy becoming a similar phrase that's harder to read/pronounce: "gong xi fa cai"??

     

    Just pointing out the objective truth, that is all! the gradual cutlure shift is subtle but it does mean something....  ^^

    A truly laughable post dripping with racist undertones (if you can even call them undertones).

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    What to do with Dickinson and Pearson ?

    in Canucks Talk

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    On 12/11/2021 at 11:54 AM, RUPERTKBD said:

    I will say one thing I've noticed though (and it's nothing to do with either of these players)....

     

    What's up with all the guys falling down for no particular reason? :huh: Maybe they should fire the skate sharpener next? :unsure:

    Just referring to last game it was probably the ice - I noticed this happening to both teams.

    Canucks for Kids Fund Receives $50,000 Gift from Elias Pettersson

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    This really should go without saying but this 50k is what EP has PUBLICALLY donated to charity. 

     

    Not saying he has donated more than that privately, but for those who criticize the move on the basis of salary % given, perhaps it is possible that not all of his charitable contributions are publicized...?

     

    If you accept this premise (and you may not) then maybe it's worth accepting that we dont have all the information about EPs charitable contributions as a whole.

     

    And thus, perhaps making negative judgements about him and/or his overall charitable actions on the basis of this 50k contribution is premature and made with snap judgments rather than the full story that we cant see.

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    [PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Anaheim Ducks | Nov. 14, 2021

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    7 minutes ago, Quantum said:

    The absolute refusal to speak with any media members is absolutely puzzling after all of these *checks notes* years!

    How would it benefit him to speak to this media? Anything he says would be analyzed, dissected, and a thousand rumour storylines would be created that are outside of his control. Keeping silent is probably the best PR move for himself and to provide any sense of stability for this organization (regardless how lacking stability may be).

     

    I completely get how many fans want to hear some accountability, hope for change, or plan from him, though. 

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    [PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Colorado Avalanche | Nov. 11, 2021

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    1 minute ago, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said:

    Especially after how effective he was with Hughes, I knew trading tanev would be a mistake. Marky not so much cause Demko made him expendable. It sucks giving players away though.

    Tanev wasn't traded, he signed with Calgary as a free agent - 'letting him go' rather than 'giving away' would be more accurate to say. But it would be nice having him in the short term, for sure.

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