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    [Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

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    1 hour ago, Gurn said:

     

    wow, just wow.

    Member the  old days, when you could get away with gang swarming gay people, beating them up and leaving them in the cold to die?

    Or you you could not hire them, or rent them houses/apartments?

     

    do you miss those days?

     

    I know I don't miss those times at all, and am hopeful that barbaric 'old fashioned ideas' die out. Soon, like today would be good.

    Ffs it was a bad example and bad choice of words but you know exactly what I mean. 

     

    When I said "bash" it qas verbally not literally. Geez

     

     

    [Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

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    6 minutes ago, aGENT said:

    Let's stop dancing around it and hiding behind religion.

     

    Why EXACTLY did he not wish to participate?

     

    Was it because his religion is against wearing colourful hockey jerseys for a few minutes?

     

     

    It could be religion or it could be he simply doesn't support it. But does that make him homophobic or hateful as you are suggesting? 

    [Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

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    1 hour ago, aGENT said:

    Yeah, no. Like I said, it's at best, condoning homophobia. Period. Which is in fact hateful and ignorant. Period.

     

    He has the freedom to be ignorant and hateful (within the law). I have the freedom to state that his actions are ignorant and hateful.

     

     

    So your saying he is scared of the LGBTQ+? He is hateful and ignorant because he does not support that group? 

    This new generation of people are ignorant and think they are entitled to everything. Why don't we have a group for straight people? Why can't we bash on them for not being straight. But when it comes to Pride night, we have to show respect and support them or else you are ignorant and hateful?  

     

    You are being ignorant for calling him hateful and ignorant because he doesn't slap on a jersey and support a group. 

    [Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

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    1 hour ago, Alflives said:

    We all should care.  Ideas like Provorov’s are sick and harmful.  No society should be looking on groups of people in ways that separate them from the whole in worth.  No way should we trade for anyone with these ignorant beliefs.  

    This is what is wrong with the world these days. How are his ideas sick and harmful? Why do you have to be forced to support a group? Are they entitled to have everyone support them? Then what difference does that make from White priveledge then? 

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    [Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

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    26 minutes ago, EP Phone Home said:

    JR’s resume looks great on paper. I’d say those organizations he was on allowed JR to do the hard work and hockey moves needed to get those three cups. We’ve had a whole calendar year with this management and it feels the same as the last one. At some point our management has to start making those difficult hockey moves. It starts with Bo. 

    Is it fair to say our management has failed when it hasn't been 1 full season for them yet? And the fact they inherited this roster with the cap issues and contracts? It is just too premature to say they havent done anything.

     

    Yes your right that he did have Crosby and Malkin, but it takes a team to win the Stanley Cup. PA and JR won 3 times. 

    [Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

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    11 minutes ago, rekker said:

    Respect. Also, one could argue the plus and minuses of both players, but they are pretty equal. I prefer Bo. It's one of those things if you asked ten fans Bo or JT, it would probably go 50 50. Lots or factors, age, position, faceoffs, emotions, PP. In the end from a pure hockey view they are neck and neck. Like I said though, I prefer Bo. Centers like him are tough to find and it was a big mistake by management to extend JT and not Bo. Should of been done in tandem.

    Wait, let me get this straight. You think Bo deserves 8M because of Respect? And did you also bring in plus/minuses to justify Bo being a 8M dollar player as well?

     

    I mentioned this before, I believe the plan was to sign JT and Bo but that is impossible now since he is on a heater scoring goals since the end of last season.

    [Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

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    8 minutes ago, stawns said:

    Bo is the better all around player and the leader of the team.  He should have been the priority.  They disrespected him and it’s going to have deep consequences

    Highly doubt the consequences will be that bad. Horvat couldn't do anything with this team since he began playing here. Not a knock on him, absolutely the managements fault. But just saying, what's the worst that can happen that we haven't seen yet? Bottom 3 in NHL standings? Sure, I think most might even welcome it.

    [Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

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    1 minute ago, Devron said:

    Well he was about the same pace the last half of the season too. My beef with the whole thing is they low balled him in the summer. I figured anywhere between 7-7.5 would have gotten a deal done. Then the signed Miller, then Horvat kept up his great scoring pace.


    In the end it just feels like the disrespected Bo and I don’t think it’s all about money now. I think Bo wants out and if thats the case I don’t blame him one bit 

    I agree. Bo should have gotten signed in the Summer. That lowball offer that reported was disgusting. But let's be real, the body of work from both Bo and JT the past 3 years has been quite a difference. So I understand why a decision was being made to lock up JT when they thought it was a fair deal.

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    [Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

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    9 minutes ago, Devron said:

    Probably because they prioritized Miller over Horvat. Not so much the $ but the principle. Chances are the wrong guy is traded 

    Ok that makes more sense why you think that. To be fair I think the plan was to keep them both, which was very possible and still is. But the fact Bo has had his best season so far did not help. He is using this season to cash in on a long term contract which is perfectly the right thing to do. Just doesnt help us that he's playing as good as he is atm. Don't think anyone expected Bo to be scoring at this rate.

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    10 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

     

     

     

    If you look back at a lot of our losses this season. Its directly related to our FOW% 

    VAN had 3 guys above 70% yesterday and Pettersson and Aman were under 30%. Pettersson got eaten alive and was on for all 5 goals against. Hmmmm I wonder why our other top C’s werent on for a goal against?


    im stating why those centres who are below 50% career wise in the faceoff circle. They Are able to be effective with less than 50%FOW as centre’s because they have the size, strength and sturdiness on their skates to win puck battles and regain possession after a lost draw and are able to shelter the puck quite easily and are very hard to knock off the puck and skate it out. 

    Just tossin it out for ya, seeing how you never went through the hassle. Hes actually 18th in takeaways at 5v5 and 16th at ES. Pettersson cannot out muscle guys, so he relies on his IQ which works out how many times? He has 23 takeaways, 4 of which on the PP. So he has 19 takeaways at ES, we’ll say those are all dzone takeaways for the benefit of your argument.  That means less than once a game his IQ steals possession. Malkin can just go lean on a guy, pin him and hold him there until someone else frees the puck up. EP doesnt have the benefit of size and strength and he’s easily knocked off his feet because he’s so light. Its much harder for him to regain possession. Evgeni Malkin (26) and Matthew Barzal (21) are ahead of him in takeaways, Which adds to my point that because they are bigger, stronger and more stable on their feet, they have better chances of outmuscling guys for pucks or just containing them until someone else recovers it. You also realize that a fair share of those takeaways for Petey are in the offensive zone right?


    Use your IQ all you want, when another big strong smart player comes along, Pettersson cant really do much. Cant win physically and is dealing with an equally as smart player, who is also stronger on their skates and out weighs him. Washington was case and point of that, he lost 3 draws that led directly to goals against. One of the plays after losing a draw he gets dumped behind the net pretty easily.

    Hmm I know twins that beg to differ. I think they just were inducted into the HOF

    [Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

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    47 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

    Lets see…

     

    We’ll say Pettersson put on some muscle this offseason and his 175lb listed weight is wrong and hes 180lbs

    Malkin - 195lbs much bigger and stronger. Chances of him winning a puck battle after losing the draw. Far greater than Pettersson. Also much better at protecting the puck when he has it.

     

    Hughes - 175lbs has taken just over 1500 faceoffs in 189 games in his career……. Doesnt seem like they rely on him for faceoffs very much. Horvat takes more in one season. Hughes taken 115 faceoffs this season. Hardly used as a 1C to take draws. Petterson has taken 3x the amount of draws as Hughes. Hughes is also stronger on his feet. I love Pettersson, but I will not deny the fact he gets knocked down or knocked off the puck quite easily. 
     

    Barzal - 190lbs Elite skater, very strong on his feet, very strong down low. 
     

    Tage Thompson - 219lbs  a monster on skates, big, fast and strong. Doesnt get pushed around or out muscled

     

    Kuznetsov - 205lbs once again, much bigger and stronger, great at protecting the puck, strong on his feet.

     

    Eichel - 213lbs Elite skater, incredibly good at protecting the puck, bigger and stronger

     

    Mackinnon - 200lbs Elite skater, strong on his feet, strong down low, hard to take the puck from.

     

     

    All of these players minus Hughes are capable of winning puck battles just due to sheer size. Pettersson struggles to win draws and then struggles to out muscle guys that have 15-40lbs on him which is completely understandable. He gets knocked down pretty easily as well.

    If you cant win draws, you better be able to win battles down low, be strong on your feet, hard to take the puck from and not pushed around. 

     

     

     

     

    Not sure what your trying to say? That EP is not a #1 centre?

     

    You do know that he is currently top 15 in the league in points right? Have you seen his 2 way game lately? By far the best on this team. Some are saying he is having a Hart or Selke type year. Yet you are just stating attributes of each player comparing them to EP... 

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    [Rumour] Bo Horvat Trade/Contract Talks

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    14 minutes ago, HKSR said:

     

    All of these guys have FO% under 45% over their careers. 

     

    Evgeni Malkin

    Elias Pettersson

    Jack Hughes

    Matthew Barzal

    Tage Thompson

    Evgeni Kuznetsov

    Jack Eichel

     

    And to get my point across... guys under 46%?

     

    Nathan Mackinnon

     

    Petey is fine as our #1C. 

     

    Its funny how some people think being good at C means you have to be great at faceoffs or you should be playing W. Wonder if they even understand what Centremen in hockey do besides taking faceoffs.

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