[Tanner Pearson Is the Most Criminally Underrated Canuck]

1 hour ago, D-Money said:

You had me until this. 

 

Horvat takes more faceoffs than anyone in the league, his value goes way beyond creating scoring chances (and when he does he's been clutch). Garland's speed, forechecking, and plain old peskiness has added an element this team has lacked for years. And Hughes is putting up one of the best years for a Canucks' defenceman EVER.

 

Pearson has been surprisingly good. But saying stuff like that only undermines your point.

Faceoffs mean like way less than you’re pumping them up to be 

[Tanner Pearson Is the Most Criminally Underrated Canuck]

2 hours ago, Rindiculous said:

Yes, it's me again, with another topic, because I'm bored with almost no games for the past 3 weeks.

 

However, I was reading a Canucksarmy article that basically listed all the Canucks in tiers for how likely they would get traded.  While most I agreed with, Tanner Pearson was put in the "Trade 'Em If You Can" tier.  This tier basically said that if anyone gave you any value for that player, you make that trade in a heartbeat.  He was joined there by Hamonic and Poolman, who I completely agree should be in that tier, but having Pearson there struck a nerve with me because I've seen many people with the same opinion and I disagree 100% with anyone who says Pearson is not worth his contract value this year.

 

Yes, Pearson had a bad year last year.  So did almost every single Canuck with the exclusion of Brock Boeser.  However, this year is completely different.  Pearson is criminally underrated in this market and has been since he was traded here. Even with his 'slow' start (which wasn't really slow as I show below), he's almost on pace for 40 points this season, and he's worth so much more than the points he puts up. Almost the entire year, the line that he has been on has been the best Canucks line whether it was him Hog and Bo at the beginning of the year to him, Bo, and Garland, to most recently him, Miller, and Boeser. He's a catalyst to each and every line at 5 on 5. He's not flashy but he's good defensively, and very good in puck battles along the boards. He's 5th on the Canucks in +/-, is a prominent player on the PK, and has the third...THIRD best expected goals for % of the entire team only behind Brad Hunt (who has seen very limited action) and Conor Garland. On top of that he is THE BEST Canuck in the Scoring Chance % department meaning that he's on the ice for the more scoring chances for than against better than any other Canuck on the roster.  He's the type of grind it out player you need on every line to open up space for your snipers and playmakers.  It's no fluke that every line he gets put on suddenly becomes the Canucks best line by both the eye test and statistically.

 

You won't see much interest in him around the league because he isn't flashy or puts up a ton of points, but almost everyone in and out of our market severely underrates Tanner Pearson. They look at him whiffing on the odd scoring chance and think he's just bad and not worth his own weight. But this year Pearson has been worth every penny of his contract more than almost anyone paid more than him in this lineup with the exception of JT Miller and possibly Quinn Hughes and Conor Garland.

 

And the last thing is most people like Tanner Pearson, but for some reason hate his contract.  Well, he's not making 3.75 mill a year anymore.  This year he got signed to 3.25 mill AAV.  What top 9 player that is consistently playing first or second line minutes is signed for that low a contract?  Basically noone except for maybe Marcus Foligno who is having a career year this year in Minnesota.  For what Pearson provides on a night in and night out basis I'd consider a bargain rather than an overpayment.  He's definitely earning his contract way more than the likes of Pettersson, Boeser, Dickinson, Poolman, and Hamonic and dollar for dollar there could be an argument he's got more bang for his buck than Horvat, OEL, Myers, Garland and even possibly Hughes (probably a bit of a stretch there).  The only one he's definitely not outperforming dollar for dollar is Miller, and if that's the case, it's not a bad contract seeing as Miller's is probably a top 5 contract in the entire league.  Also, for people who say that the contract might not age well cause he's old, the guy is still only 29, only signed for 3 years.  He'll be 32 when the contract expires when most players are still in their prime.

 

So in closing, we should hold on to Pearson for sure because obviously he would not bring much value in a trade, and he is worth way, Way, WAY more to us than anything we could possibly fetch in a return on a trade.

Pearson is good if he is paid like a mill

 

That’s the issue 

[[Report] Canucks fire Jim Benning, name Stan Smyl as interim GM]

15 hours ago, StanleyCupOneDay said:

Looks like I ruffled some feathers amongst the “we hate Benning and everything he’s done is terrible” crowd. If you think my post saying he made bad moves and good moves while criticizing the hyperbolic fatalism by the Benning bashers who refuse to give him credit for anything was unhinged then do yourself a major favour and stay off the internet. You won’t be able to handle reading the truly unhinged posts.

Thanks mom I’m good

[Benning ~ Not all bad (Discussion)]

41 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

note: ultimately I think Benning has to go.

 

I honestly believe Benning has a reputation of being easy to out negotiate.

 

Of course this is just my personal speculation especially with how the Gudbranson trade played out. There were reports suggesting that the Panthers Organization contacted Benning first if he was interested in Gudbranson, my thought then was why would a team trying to sell a player do that since having more potential buyers interested would raise the asking price? My theory is that the Panthers knew Benning would overpay for a player like Gudbranson and putting him in the open market would actually lower his value. 

 

Of course keep in mind this is just my personal theory why the Panthers would call Benning before any team. But it does beg the question why.

When wanting to outsmart someone, do you call the dumbest person first, or the smartest?

[Benning ~ Not all bad (Discussion)]

You have to know that the players were experiencing the Benning malaise as well as the Green malaise. Who the hell would give a rip about coming to the rink knowing it was for nothing but a paycheque? The players quit on both coaching and management. 

[[Report] Canucks fire Jim Benning, name Stan Smyl as interim GM]

On 12/5/2021 at 10:57 PM, StanleyCupOneDay said:

If you only cheer for the team when they win I don’t think you can call yourself a true fan, that’s what a bandwagon fan is called: jumping on as the going gets good. I’m always cheering for a victory through the bad and the good for my team.

 

Also for all those enjoying being “vindicated” after complaining for 8 years non stop on every single move or non-move Benning did or didn’t do you guys sure seem to use a lot of hyperbole: “Reign of terror”, “left us with nothing”, “worst prospect cupboard then Gillis”, “worst GM in Canucks history”, “darkest days ever now ending” and so many countless other examples in this thread make it hard for anyone to believe that any of you can be objective about anything.

 

Benning made good moves and he made bad moves, just like any other GM and if you can’t acknowledge that then you aren’t able to see reality through your own bias.

Canucks win six straight after your unhinged diatribe. 

[[Report] Canucks fire Jim Benning, name Stan Smyl as interim GM]

I know that for reasons I will never understand that this is a very hard day for most of you. Please try and believe me that this is actually a good thing and we are hopefully finally out from under the darkest days in our franchise history. 
 

I just bought my ticket for tomorrow’s game. I haven’t been to Rogers Arena since the Sedins’ final home game, and that was my only Benning reign of terror game I attended. 
 

Go Canucks, go. Finally I can cheer my team again. Hell yeah. 

[Canucks vs the League. Where do we fit?]

Stay the course! Nobody can get it done like jimbo! Seven more years!

[The Defense of JB and co]

I agree with everything. Seven more years!

[Benning on donnie and dhali]

32 minutes ago, Devron44 said:

Yup quite a bit different. Back then there was no good young players in the pipeline other then Horvat. I Really started to get excited again in Boesers first year. But each to their own. 

You definitely deserve this then. I’m happy for you. 

[Benning on donnie and dhali]

56 minutes ago, Devron44 said:

Don’t even remember them. I stayed away from the noise back then. There wasn’t much to look forward to at the end of Gillis tenure. I think I tuned out on hockey for a bit. 

So two years removed from back to back first place overall finishes, you’re just done. It’s over. Need time away. 
 

Seven years of Jethro Bodine bumbling around and herpaderping this franchise into irrelevance…

 

NO PROBLEM HELL YEAH GO CANUCKS GO BABY WOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

 

[Attn..The Patience-Queue Starts Here]

Owner- rampantly meddling trust fund baby loser 

 

Management- pure, concentrated, gotta see it to believe it incompetence 

 

Fans still supporting this regime-

 

I don’t want to finish the sentence. You know who you are. 

[Reflections from the newest developments]

On 5/21/2021 at 12:30 PM, Dazzle said:

I think we all have had different (sometimes opposing) opinions on the owners, the management, the coaches, and even the players. I think that after much deliberation, FA decided to calm things down, much like he has done in the past, by keeping everyone. I think this is the RIGHT move.

 

There has been A LOT of talk about Benning being someone that a player doesn't want to 'play for', which is ridiculous. And there's been A LOT of talk about Green (and his assistants) being incompetent at their jobs. That being said, we as fans are not privy to how well they work together. I am certain that for an owner to find scapegoats, he could have easily blamed others and given into fan pressure.

 

YET he doesn't, at least not in a way that 'fans' wanted it.

 

Therefore, this stabilizing move differs significantly from teams like Calgary, Montreal and even Buffalo, where all (or many) of the coaches were let go of their respective teams. FA is demonstrating again that he is a STABLE owner who is not pressured by ignorant 'fans'. I know that I've criticized Green, but I really don't have any more information about what he's like in the room. For all we know, he could have tried his absolute best, and never threw people under the buses publicly or privately. Benning may also be in fact a good guy. He may have tried his best as well, without resorting to scapegoating.

 

Upon reflecting on these new developments, I think we should be lucky we have FA as an owner. The relationships made on this team from top down are most definitely NOT as toxic as 'fans' and media have portraying it to be. We should all be appreciative of stability. Hopefully everyone does better next year. We have a compassionate owner who UNDERSTANDS that COVID affected this team a lot.

 

Let's try not to generalize people again, moving forward. Reddit fans are largely toxic by comparison (not all). I believe that as fans, we can all do better, including myself. Let's not foster anymore toxicity. There's clearly no toxicity on this team, from top down. Trying to force this narrative is dishonest.

Is this post a joke?

[[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Edmonton Oilers l May 15, 12:30 p.m. l SNP | PLAYOFFS EDITION]

Am I to believe that in the last five games, while compiling 13 points, McDavid was beaten by RNH’s plus one plus minus?

 

[Change is on the horizon...]

9 hours ago, 73 Percent said:

I can hear the NTCs from hear. 

The Canucks have ten such contracts currently on the books either given out by or acquired by Benning. I think those are the ones you’re “hearing”.

[Seven years without a clear plan from Canucks brass.]

1 hour ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

This is not some cult where fans blindly follow their manager to glory and oblivion.  There's not a single sports team where its fanbase showcases that type of loyalty.  That would be ridiculous.

 

[The I have Mixed Feelings about Jim Benning Chaosthread 3000]

 

This really isn’t ending is it?

[Where are the Canucks with a good 3rd line Center and another Top 4 quality defenseman?]

Probably on the high side of the bottom third of the league. 

[[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks vs Edmonton Oilers l May 3, 7 p.m. l SNP]

Anyone else hear Shorthouse say Darnell Noose?

[[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Toronto Maple Leafs l May 1, 4 p.m. l SNP]

30 minutes ago, stanleysteamersmyl said:

Didn't Ron McLean used to be a referee?  Sometimes NHL referees not calling a obvious penalty is bush league compared to NFL umpires who calls what they see.  

I think all fans of NHL teams get frustrated with the refereeing. 

There is very ugly history between Ron McLean specifically but also the CBC and the Canucks over the refereeing. Alex Burrows revealed something very underhanded a referee had done to him and ron mclean absolutely crucified him for it, to the point the Canucks pulled their players from interviewing for CBC. 

[[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Toronto Maple Leafs l May 1, 4 p.m. l SNP]

34 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

I can’t believe how much dumb you managed to fit into one short sentence. Somebody who doesn’t share the same opinion as you deserves endless purgatory. Wow.

 

You might want to consider there are a wide range of valid views on most subjects, including this one.

 

[[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Toronto Maple Leafs l May 1, 4 p.m. l SNP]

5 minutes ago, stanleysteamersmyl said:

It would be priceless to hear (hopefully one day) from Ron McLean, Vancouver has won the Stanley Cup.

Let me tell you a story. Sportsnet 650 used to have Ron McLean on as a guest on their Vancouver market morning show every Friday. Ron hasn’t been on in a while, maybe 4-6 Fridays in a row. Do you know when the first Friday was that Ron was no longer a guest on Vancouver radio? The very same Friday that followed Tim Peel accidentally outing the refereeing brethren as game managers who decide when and what should be a penalty, rulebook be damned, to keep the game going to their personal liking. Funny how Ron McLean, Patron Saint of all holy referees, Saints and angels all of them, wasn’t any longer showing up on air in Vancouver, hey?! After trying to bury Alex Burrows for speaking the truth about refs, and now being unable to defend them any longer after Tim slipped on a peel and tore back the ugly curtain. My apologies for the terrible pun. 
 

It may be that I am incorrect, and that Ron was simply moved to the 3-6 show. I only hear that one here and there. The 6-9, 9-1, and 1-3 shows I hear nearly in their entirety daily. I kinda doubt it though. 

[[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Toronto Maple Leafs l May 1, 4 p.m. l SNP]

The people who can’t or are not willing to see that Fredo, Jethro Bodine, and that cheese nibbling little rat Weisbrod are holding this team from being relevant are the people who deserve the endless purgatory this franchise is in. 
 

Congratulations. 

[[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Toronto Maple Leafs l May 1, 4 p.m. l SNP]

13 minutes ago, tas said:

I did, which was the whole point. you clearly hadn't. 

 

take note, people: this is why you shouldn't believe ANYthing you read online, let alone everything. people are clueless but spout off constantly anyway. 

I don’t think you’re quite making the point you think you are, because despite the other guy not knowing the details of Weisbrod’s ineptitude, it doesn’t change the fact that Weisbrod is clearly a complete &^@#ing dip$&!# loser. 

[[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks @ Toronto Maple Leafs l May 1, 4 p.m. l SNP]

22 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Honestly, I would be happy to see Colorado ot Vegas win a cup. Maybe the Isles for the giant FU to leafs pajama boy.

 

Hard no to Boston, Toronto, and any other American team.

My rule of thumb with these things is to first separate the teams with and without championships. Toss away all the teams without. If the Canucks can’t win, I don’t want any other first time winners. Washington is a team that I broke that rule for, as I didn’t really care for the whole Crosby is so much more special than Ovechkin cause Cup crap.

 

The next step is probably scratching any Canadian team. If Canucks can’t win, I sure as hell don’t want other Canadian markets to be happy. Especially since they were open and hostile as temporary Bruins fans in 2010-2011. Even the cbc!

Then I sort by how gross the teams with Cups in their past are.