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the Blues could use Schroeder and stick Backes and Stewart with him and he'll be protected by two big bodies no problem.
something the Canucks cant do
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No. This would suck on many levels.
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Would a whip-cracking coach have changed the way the Canucks played against Boston in the final? Or against LA the next year? No. So, why would KB be wrong to say that the Canucks don't "need" this. They don't. I agree with KB. He is not "bigger than the team" to say this. It is just KB being KB.
Soft-core.
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He didn't actually play much under crow. 30 games or so I think. You're focusing on a very small part of what I said.
Who else did he play under then?
You responded to my post, not the other way around.
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Ballard is a decent scrapper, actually. I will give him that.
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You can't turn a SEL team into the Bruins just by changing the system the team plays.
But you can with a coach?
He is getting ragged on in here for stating the obvious in that "this" not a coaching issue, yet we like the guy becasue he IS vocal.
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I don't think you did. He totally answered your question.
A system doesn't automatically work without the right players.
You can't turn a SEL team into the Bruins just by changing the system the team plays.
Irrelevent speculation though? Hardly.
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That's great but KB has looked good in other roles as well. Prior to his leg injury playing in a shut down role he looked fantastic. Coming back from that he seemed to be put more and more in this role of generating offense. IMO he's done very well with that but I'd like to see him back in that shut down role. People forget that Bieksa has looked good playing in different systems with different coaches. Hell he's played different systems under AV and looked good in both.
Crow??? lol, come on. Rush the puck and no D? You have a point alright, but come on...
I like KB, just not here so much, anymore with Tanev and his twin emerging as puck movers.
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the system made bieksa
the system works because we have bieksa
take your pick
thought so
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irrelevant speculation
Really...?
Are you a systems guy? Explain to me how this system hasn't make a guy like KB look good, if this is simply speculation and irrelevant. Compare the two systems if you like.
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What's going to happen when next season Bieksa is still playing top 4 minutes under another coach?
Bieksa is a huge part of the success this team has had. First to go should and will be Ballard but if we're talking about guys who have clear roles on the team Edler should be the first to go. Calm and cool Bieksa will still be playing top 4 minutes on this team next year. The reason is because he has value on the ice. He gets into situations that make him look bad but that's a part of hockey. If guys didn't take risks (and I'm ready for the calculated risks argument that is to come :D ) we'd miss the playoffs because we'd have very little scoring from the back end. He's not the best D in the league, hell he's not the best D on the team but to say he's a huge part of the problem is false. You just don't care for him.
I agree, to an extent, but KB's success is also a result of AV's system. He might not look so good in Nashville, say.
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with a team of skilled players like the Canucks have it has become obvious that a wall has been reached as far as successes under the current system.
Had a Cup been won against Boston we would not be having this discussion, but that is a moot point as there was no Cup victory.
The coach didnt get run out of the rink in that series... the country club did, this includes KB. This was not coaching. That was such an ace-kicking. Would a crack of the whip by a coach made the Canucks play like men in that series or the next against LA, another physically dominant team? Haha, no. So, KB is right to say these things. This is a roster issue. Gillis is responsible for the roster, he should be taking ALL the blame at this point.
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Turn over machine Kevin should be gone. We all like his character, but he is a liability on the ice.
His tough game, played at 200lbs, isn't enough to scare anybody and his D is known as sloppy.
To deny this is to have contempt for thought.
I think his statement is taken out of context as far as what professional hockey players in their primes need from the coaching staff by some of you.
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I bet the new coach will make the Sedins go through Chara to score in game 7.
Maybe he will even make them stop being punched in the face and stick up for themselves?
He will probably even trade Luongo and Ballard and...
I bet his centers arent AHL smurfs in checking roles.
I look forward to this new, relaxed coach.
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12 games in the reg season and 4 post, playing for coaches who were just canned, mostly on the third line with Dale Weise as his winger, is a failed experiment? And we should get rid of a first-round pick with speed and skill who fell to us because of this? You sir are the first CDCer I have ever
...Congrats.nice. are these excuses and more well wishing?
reality is over here, come on. He is not going to help us get us a cup as a 3rd line center. Isnt that the goal? Or is it to watch another Roy-esque 3rd line center do his thing? Wake up.
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We need to give Schroeds at least 2 full seasons to see what he can do.
or no, we don't hope to have him beat the odds and become a miracle like St Louis, and trade him for something we need, like A 3RD LINE CENTER while we still have a competitive team in its prime.
Schrodo will hope to be as good as Roy and we've played that experiment already. Moving on.
Gaunce though, he's probably a few years away and I wonder what he weighs now? If all goes well, we will have a true Joel Otto type of guy, something we've never had at center besides Linden.
I hope Gillis drafts some more big, character guy; Canadian guys with an edge to their game.
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I guess he will get his chance to make an impact in a top 6 role with 2 of these players being injured.
We will see what he offers to the team once the season gets rolling and everybody is caught up in conditioning.
I'm excited, but realistic here.
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Everything I have seen out of the NHL since the 2004 lockout says the most important asset a play can have now is speed.
Speed, then finish, then size.
I have seen no evidence at all Schroeder will not become an NHL second liner. By time he is 25 he definitely will be.
Does he have great speed? I agree, speed is great but finish is great too. See Macy Ray.
Since you brought is up, I dont see much to suggest that Jordan will make an impact in the game. Perhaps as a 2nd liner on a weak team he will see some production, but he is showing nothing stat wise (evidence) as to back up your claim here. He plays in every situation and plays lots. Where are his stats? His speed and finish? He is not impressing with his speed, really. He is but what 0.6 PPG? As their go to guy? Hey, it could happen.
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No point arguing people who doubt him because of his height guys.
If you think he won't make it, hate on him all you want. If you think he'll make it, then just let him prove you right.
It's pointless. Only Jordan's determination to make the NHL will decide whether he makes it or not.
We know for a fact that guys smaller than him have made it into the league and a few have played on elite teams at an elite level. We also know that Schroeder has the potential and the skills to make the NHL. So let's just wait and see what he does.
His size is ONLY an issue because he is spoken of here as the Canucks possible 3rd line center where you can't be small, unphysical and all the rest that a cup team needs in that role. There is no more to it than that.
I hope we package the guy up with Lu and send him to Florida or something where he can get a real shot to play HIS game as he is NOT a checking center. Size matters there.
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The fact that you called Schroeder a "half talent" and a "third line hopeful" just shows you have no idea what you're talking about. It's a pretty well known fact that Schroeder has top tier skill. He was a first round draft pick that was projected to go between the 5-10 spots. He was ranked as the 5th overall N.A. skater by the CSS. We were very lucky he fell to us. He has the talent to be a top-six NHL player it's just a matter of time until we find if he has enough to overcome the size, but for you to write him off now is ridiculous.
fun fact: The Canucks have the 5th and 10th overall CSS ranked N.A. skaters from the 2009 draft (Schroeder and Kassian)
Oh, so we are talking mainly past tense now...? That he was tops?
As far as writing him off, no, I'm just the big bad realist who sees no place for him as a 3rd line center on the Canucks. Reasons for this have been stated in past posts.
As far as comparing him ro Parise, St. Louis and the like is getting so very CDC. The Wolves boast zero higher-end skill so small wonder we have him as our most talented/skilled Wolf. Compare him to his AHL peers and... he looks? The Caucks are loaded with skill and are farming role players at the moment.
This guy is not 5'9, he is smaller. Glad we could put on our big boy pants and admit some truths on here, especially relevant to 2012. If a guy were to come on here and read these homer posts he'd be under the impression that this guy was not only copmarable in size to Parise, but was also similarly suited to a checking role like Bolland, has the speed of Bure and is likely to become Martin St. Louis... if we'd just give him the chance. He just needs time.
A spade is a spade outside of this thread. The Canucks still require a 3rd line center and the odds of Jordan getting this job are slim to none so it is safe to say that he will be given ample time to turn into Parise, in the AHL.
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Anyways, I took a picture with him one time. Jordan Schroeder. I am 5'8. I was clearly taller then Schroeder by at least 1.5 Inch. I'm sorry to say, he's not 5'9. It's exaggerated.
I wasnt going to say it so thanks.
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And for those who are still writting him off due to size:
Schroeder - 5'9 - 179
P.Kane - 5'11 - 181
Baertschi - 5'11 - 189
Parise - 5'11 - 195
Ennis - 5'9 - 157
Gerbe - 5'5 - 178
Eberle - 5'11 - 184
Should I go on? All of them are NHL Regulars, some star players. (with the exception of Baertschi who I threw in cause everyone loves him).
If he could get up to about 185 he will be fine (the more the better). And maybe he will grow an inch? I think Kane was 5'10 last year then he grew a bit so maybe JS will too.
hey, why stop there...
Gretzky was only 176lbs and Dionne was also a smurf, so I guess a third line hopefull should be compared as such?
Should we really draw on these numbers to foster support for Jordan? ha Why not compare him to what he is up against. Should we start with Getzlaf? Kane doesnt play a checking game and really? Do I have to point out the moot point in comparing a half talent-halfling to NHL elite small men, especially in this roster case? Come on, homer. Call a spade a spade.
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