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3 hours ago, DefCon1 said:
Actually we never hired a new GM that was going to be groomed into one by someone like JR who is our president. We cleaned house, we brought in an experienced president in JR who has won cups and knows how to build a stanley cup winning organization. So lets just trust him and see what he can do with no Aqualini interference. We used to hire inexperienced GMs and throw them to the wolves right away, from Nonis to Gillis and Benning with noone looking after them except Aquaman who made things worst for them. The way they are building the hockey ops is a lot different than before and having an actual president in JR will insulate the hockey ops from interference. Obviously we have to wait and see how it goes before we judge.
Fair enough, I’m just a worrier at heart
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3 hours ago, MrCanuck94 said:
The big difference is developing and delegating vs just using the people under you.
JR focuses on developing the inexperienced with potential to reach their potential and being trustful enough to delegate and spread out responsibility. He's developed many top management level people around the league.
I really hope you’re right, and all these hires work out perfect, because once he retires, which is soon…. We will be left with nearly all armatures in their position
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3 hours ago, DeNiro said:
Rutherford has three cups.
He has more experience than any other GM we’ve ever had.
He could teach a masterclass in building successful organizations. I’m not too worried.
Yes we have a 72 year old Rutherford who will be retiring in two to three years. So then we will have no experience again to be falling back on…
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13 minutes ago, DefCon1 said:
This time its different because JR is running the ship as president and will groom the newely minted GM. He will have a say in any major moves and they will probably discuss things in a group. Also Allvin will have an experienced AGM in clancy who worked with him in pittsburgh while the other 2 AGMs in Castonguay and Granato will bring in fresh prespective to the hockey ops. JR provides all the experience we need at the top while building this management team. Its better than that one man operation with a so called experienced GM in Holland running things while grandpa Nicholson is probably taking his daily naps
I agree it’s awesome we have Rutherford, but he is 72 and nearly out the door. So unless these hirings work out perfect we are going to be starting again in a few years.
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20 minutes ago, DefCon1 said:
Hey I heard Holland has lots of experience as a GM and has won cups. Maybe we should hire him, another dinosaur when he gets fired from the Oilers so you can be happy having a retread.
Look at Tampa Bay, Julien Brisbois
Colorado has Sakic as a GM who didnt have any GM experience
Montreal hired Kent Hughes who is a scout
Now look at Edmonton who hired an experienced GM in Holland
That’s awesome that you’ve found evidence of it working in other organizations, unfortunately our track record is terrible when it comes to training our GMs, coaches, presidents…. At some point we need to stop hiring new people in
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28 minutes ago, DeNiro said:
Rutherford, Allvin, and Clancey have plenty of experience to go around.
Lots of successful teams have assistant GMs with little experience. That’s actually the trend now if you’ve been following. The old thinking that you have to hire someone who has been a GM, or a director of player development, or head scout is becoming less and less prevalent.
Presidents and GMs are seeing more value in picking the right people rather than just people with the most experience. That’s where we’re seeing some great ex players jump right into the role of GM. Players who have played their whole lives and played on championship teams have more insight into the game than people who have simply watched hockey their whole lives.
I think you’re equating Benning and Greens failures to the idea that inexperienced GMs can’t be successful. When in fact the contrary is true. These people are more likely to bring new ideas and perspectives to the table. It’s a much better approach than hiring GMs who are still chasing the cups they missed out on 20-30 years ago.
I like the way JR has built the front office. Seems like a great array of talent and people who will be hungry to prove themselves.
You’re right, I am attributing our past failures with newly minted coaches, presidents, GMs, and assistant GMs of our past to what is currently happening. I’m fairly tired of us being a place for people to come and learn how to do their jobs. I like to see that they already have connections around the league, and a track history of either success or failure. I want a cup, and teaching new people I think will just delay the process of us getting there
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10 minutes ago, DeNiro said:
I dunno about “truth”.
If this was a former NHLer with the accolades that she has you wouldn’t think twice about it.
I have no problem hiring inexperienced assistant GMs male or female as long as they’re insulated with experienced people.
We should be looking to develop execs the same we we develop players. If they have the skill and the work ethic the rest can be taught. Rutherford has been around the block enough times for everyone.
I think you’re under the assumption that experience guarantees success. How well did that work with Benning, Chiarelli, Holland, or some of those other old boys club retreads? And then on the other side you have ex players like Sakic and Yzerman doing awesome despite their lack of experience.
That’s exactly what the Canucks need to do. Try and catch the next rising star GM rather than chasing other teams past success. That comes with recognizing talent and achievements and giving those people the tools to develop in that role. Why not tap the most untapped talent pool there is? Is there something that says women can’t do these roles just as well?
Granato has literally lived and breathed hockey her whole life. Who’s to say she won’t be a great GM? Should we always just be looking to steal other teams execs rather than developing our own? I don’t think that’s how you build culture. Rutherford knows that.
I’m excited to see what she can do. She might stumble along the way but like I said look at how much some experienced GMs are stinking right now. Give her a chance! Make room for Cammi!
I have no problem with women working in hockey, I have a problem with the fact that we have a history of hiring people for GM, assistant GM, head coach, assistant coach who have very little to no experience at the nhl level in the roles. And look how that has gone for us, mediocrity and a constant rebuild as they learn on the fly…. You may want to
make this about what sex she is, but it’s about lack of experience in our organization again. Rutherford is not young and has to be retiring in the next couple of years, so then all we have are newly minted people in positions with no leader.
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Just now, DeNiro said:
I would expect that reaction from someone named Kyle…
Hahaha, fair enough. Truths tend to come from those of the name Kyle
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Yay!! More people in prominent positions with next to no experience in the role they’re being hired for!! Groundbreaking!!!
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13 minutes ago, -DLC- said:
So what does "woke" have to do with it then? That's the part that likely was hinting at more than just experience...sounds like a bit more going on here.
She doesn't own that history, wipe the slate clean and judge her by her actions, not those of others before her.
Well I keep reading her experience and there’s not much to read, so could you please point out what makes her qualified to be an assistant GM in the NHL. Or is it just to get ahead of the curve, so they hire a young woman instead of an experienced and tenured man.. I have no problem with a woman in the role, as long as it’s deserved and not forced
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Just now, -DLC- said:
Did you read her credentials?
I sure did, I have read the credentials of our last few GMs and head coaches too. They looked great!! Where has that left us?
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Really hoping this isn’t a woke moment, and she is actually good at her job. Our history of hiring inexperienced coaches and GMs have done nothing but left us on the outside looking in…
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I'm happy his jersey is being retired in Florida, hope that means it won't happen here too!! He was mostly great for us, but not here for long enough and didn't do enough to be in the rafters for us. Let's save that place for the first goalie who wins us a cup...
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10 hours ago, coastal.view said:
i never really understand these sorts of projections
people insist brock is a 40 goal player
or that he is a 30 goal player
he has never cracked that goal total
now the narrative is he is an 80 point player?
let's first see what he can actually do
what he does accomplish, not what he could
i am a huge brock fan
but people get ahead of themselves in their projection of players
hell, even ep40 is not an 80 point player
why suggest brock is
you are just setting yourself and others up for typical cdc bitterness
where you will tire on a player
and demand he get moved
or benched
or whatever posters on here do
when a player is no longer in their good books
people blow so hot and cold on here
i am a huge brock fan as i said
his release in his first season was special
everyone could see that
everyone can see that is no longer part of his repetoire
he no longer stands out as a special player
he is good
but is changing his game
and his role on this team
maybe his wrist will come round
and his repeated injury issues will take a break
he is a very good player and apparently a really good person
hard not to support him
but let's stay real about him too
Nah, let's blow it all up... 90+
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25 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said:
What? Please explain how you think Boeser was subpar.
Some posters have been creating that false narrative that Boeser had not been doing well. Facts say otherwise.
I really want the Canucks to sign Toffoli longer term. And maybe someone needs to get move.
But saying Boeser was subpar is just not correct at all.
I've noticed the same thing in quite a few comments, even seen a lot of people wanting to trade Boeser off. While he hasn't been nearly as flashy as some people want out of a first line winger, he is doing everything else. His defensive game isn't great, but that's not why he is here. He scores, back checks fine, and can pass well above average for a sniper. Boeser is just going to get better, and should be a constant 80+ point player. Those don't grow on trees...
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On 2/23/2020 at 4:58 PM, Zdawg said:
Don’t get how people could hate Kesler. Nothing negative could be said about the way he played when he was here, dude gave it all he had every single shift. Regarding how he left, the 2014 was disastrous. Any player would jump ship to get away from the gong show that was the Canucks that season. Kesler had like 4 surgeries at that point
and was well over 30, he should have and did demand to go to a contender for a shot at the Cup while he was still a decent player. He had a NTC, so he had every right to demand to be traded to whatever team he wanted. Yes it sucked for us that he demanded only to go to a couple teams, but the Canucks were rebuilding at the time anyways and all Kesler really did was exercise his rights that were in his contract.
I didn’t blame him for leaving at all, in fact I admired his sheer competitiveness for a shot at the Cup, given how close we were in 2011.
I get that he may rub people the wrong way, but deep down the dude has a good heart and some of the vitriol towards him the last few years had been uncalled for. He definitely deserves to be honoured by the Canucks.I can think of negative things about his playing days, he was a whinny person who was ego centric, and never made his linemates better... He had a couple of good seasons, one good playoff series, and then left like a little spoiled brat, handcuffing us on his way out. We have way to many meh players in the rafters and on the ring of honour already, so let's not honour people who weren't honourable...
And a good heart? Did you ever meet the guy? He was a grade A penis head
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7 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:
calm down please. All I'm saying is you don't really know what a prospect is worth until they prove themselves.
That's fair Enough, but that's not completely what you've been saying.. you're saying every prospect is worth the exact same untill they play in the NHL, which is false.
Lind was a high second round draft pick which has done nothing to diminish that fact, and a lot to improve on it... Lind is a high second round pick who is still young and showing promise, to say he is worth a bottome six mediocre Defenseman on a expiring contract is beyond wrong...
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13 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
I'm saying people very often over value prospects. I offer Dane Fox into evidence.
Of course you trade from depth if you've got it.
Wow, you nailed it, Lind is a clone of fox...I'm not over valuating, you're bottom lining everyone to the same nomination...
And having four potential wingers for the future isn't really depth.... it's nice, but not depth
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17 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
Lind is all potential right now. He's proven nothing at the NHL level. Thats the same with all prospects, they all look like Gretzky before they've ever played an NHL game.
Its a risk for sure, but we have other winger prospects and this is one of the few areas of depth we have to trade from.
You're nuts!! You think all prospects are worth the same since the haven't played in the NHL yet? So Lind, Podkolzin, and Palmu all have the same worth in your eyes, all worth a 4th because they haven't played in the NHL yet.. do you know the difference in value between a first, fourth, and seventh round pick?
And you also don't trade just because we have a little depth somewhere, our prospect pool is good but not exactly deep..
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8 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:
maybe in 5 years, not now tho.
Lind is a reasonable call up option now, and will be pushing for a spot by next season possibly. In five years Lind may be a staple to our middle six, and probable for the top nine at least.. Barrie is a bottom six, expiring contract, smaller Defenseman.
I'm not seeing what you're seeing value wise
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Damn, liked Kase, now I gotta hate him:(
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9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
Levio for spare AHL parts.
Thats what I was thinking. Maybe Lind.
Hell no to Lind, he is one of our best prospects and could fetch more then Barrie on his own...
And that's right, lievo has been good for us too
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3 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
if it is then hard pass.
If its Stecher + F prospect not named Hoglander or Podkolzin... I don't know how you pass on that. Dubas isn't going to want to trade Barrie in the east either, I think of most places he'd like to send him our way.
Maybe a stetcher plus Lockwood would be ok to.let go
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Just now, Jimmy McGill said:
well thats it.... whats it worth? depends how desperate Dubas is to keep his job
Looking back on his pairings, Ian Cole - Barrie was a good pairing. Cole made up for a lot of Barries problems, which I think Edler could do as well.
I don't think Juolevi is anything like Barrie, and Rafferty by the reports needs to work on his defensive game too, at least this year.
Dubas is a dope... When was the last time there was a Canucks and Toronto trade?
I don't know, edler doesn't have the best history as a solid defensive defenseman... He is having a good year, but I wouldn't want to be relying on him to cover up for his partners mistakes.. him and Myers seem to be playing well of each other and would like to keep it that way
I hear ya on neither of joulevi or Rafferty being quite ready, but I think they're both really close. Joulevis game will transfer over nicely to the NHL, I see him as a upgraded Tanev.. well I am wishing he is a upgraded Tanev hahahah
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I wish him no ill will, and hope he has a successful career. he was never really the heart and soul of the team, though he was certainly supposed to be. I was excited when he was named captain, but was always dissatisfied with him as captain of the Canuck’s.
more then happy with the return