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    6th Pick: 2014 NHL Entry Draft

    in Prospects / Farm Team

    Posted · Edited by Southpop45

    so i just want some clarification is there any way calgary can pass us in the standings? some people are saying yes some are saying no just want to be sure

    (i know they tie us in points if we lose every game and they win every game from now on)

    6th Pick: 2014 NHL Entry Draft

    in Prospects / Farm Team

    Posted · Edited by Southpop45

    5th pick - possible but very unlikely: winnipeg must beat boston and lose to calgary in their last two games, carolina must win one of its last 3 games agaisnt 2 very good teams and the third being washington, and vancouver must lose their last 3 against 2 good teams and calgary being the third

    6th pick - possible, hopefully a team like calagry goes off the board. with burkes truckulent fetish i could see him going for one of the power forewards (ritchie, viratanen)

    7th - 10th pick - most likley the range well be picking: the guy at the top of my list for this position would be ehlers. im tired of going with the "safe" pick. use a top ten pick select a guy whose a bit of a risk but has 1st line potential. I really think this guy is not just a product of drouin

    [Rumour] "Teams eyeing down Kesler & Edler" - Ownership prevented Kesler trade

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    Posted · Edited by Southpop45

    to be honest i dont like penguins rumours at all.

    1. brandon sutter is not as attractive as he was a few years ago. hes not as young as you would hope for. his potential is very limited at this point


    2. not that interested in simon depres. cant crack pens line-up regularly. i think he has limited upside


    3. 1st round pick is gonna be extremely low and in a weak draft year. nough said.


    4. beau bennet is an interesting asset but im not sure about him. put up decent numbers in his stints. but he was playing with malkin


    5. derek pouliot is a good prospect and probably the only piece i really like.

    honestly if some combination of these assets is all they can get for kesler, then the best option is to keep him and try again at the draft

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    [Rumour] "Teams eyeing down Kesler & Edler" - Ownership prevented Kesler trade

    in Trades, Rumours, Signings

    Posted · Edited by Southpop45

    I think it touches on all points rather evenly; they maintain veteran leadership, solidify their T4, get potential youth back and get stronger not just now, but for the next 4-5 years.

    Canucks get younger and more skilled, still maintain a decent veteran leadership core.

    Let's face it, Gaborik is nearing his end as a premiere sniper in the league, and the Blue Jackets are close to not just making the playoffs again, but aren't far from assembling a good team to make a dent in the playoffs.

    While they give up Johansen and Jenner now, they maintain Kesler, Dubinsky, Anisimov and Letestu which isn't anything to sneeze at, while Johansen's value yes is high, I think it's artificially so *right* now. We've seen all too often a young player "break out" yet have a let down subsequently, yet I'm willing to take the risk, given the current state of the team right now.

    IMO for the Blue Jacket's fan base, I think they have to make a serious push at making the playoffs and receiving some results and as much as Johansen can be the anchor for that team eventually, I'm not sure they can wait 5 years until he becomes a bonafide star in the league.

    dont get me wrong. getting johansen is at the top of my wish list for a kes trade. i think your deal is fair as well. but to give up a big 21 year old center who is on pace for 36 goals this season and has franchise potential written all over him. i think it all comes down to how badly they want to make the playoffs now. and you may be right the blue jackets may feel like they owe it to their fans to make the playoffs as soon as possible. thats the only way this deal goes down. i really hope the canucks makes this work though, i would be thrilled to get ryan johansen

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    [Rumour] "Teams eyeing down Kesler & Edler" - Ownership prevented Kesler trade

    in Trades, Rumours, Signings

    Posted · Edited by Southpop45

    At the deadline, assuming all players agree to waive their respective clauses:

    CBJ

    R. Kesler

    A. Edler

    1st 2014

    1st 2016 (Conditional, CBJ receives if Kesler walks as UFA)

    VAN

    R. Umberger

    R. Johansen

    B. Jenner

    1st 2015

    The only way the numbers work is if the Canucks retain 50% of Kesler's salary for the duration of his contract.

    CBJ getting Kesler @ 50% = Johansen straight up, and Edler = Umberger, Jenner and 1st (Roster player, prospect, pick).

    Canucks this year:

    Sedin - Sedin - Umberger

    Higgins - Johansen - Kassian

    Burrows - Jenner - Hansen

    Booth - Richardson - Lain

    Hamhuis - Tanev

    Garrison - Bieksa

    Stanton - Diaz

    Luongo

    Lack

    This maximizes Kesler's value, we lose the intangibles be brings but add youth, skill and size, not to mention still being competitive. Once Booth falls off, Shinkaruk should be ready, along with Gaunce/Horvat to make the club.

    Conversely, looking @ CBJ's top 9, and top 6

    Gaborik - Kesler - Horton

    Foligno - Dubinsky - Atkinson

    Comeau - Anisimov - Letstu

    Edler - Wisniewski

    Johnson - Murray

    Tyutin - Nikitin

    Bobrovsky

    Vancouver trades elite players in their prime needing a fresh start to CBJ for youth and skill, along with some veteran presence to help out the young guys.

    dont mind this deal; but i still have a hard time thinking columbus gives up ryan johansen. not to mention boone jenner as well. i give you credit though, it would take a creative deal like this to get johansen out of columbus

    [Rumour] "Teams eyeing down Kesler & Edler" - Ownership prevented Kesler trade

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    a couple really important things to note:

    1. if this trade goes down you can throw the whole re-tool idea out the window. if Kesler goes it should become full on re-build. you are not going to get a center back in a trade who is as good as Kesler. without Kesler the Canucks are an average team at best. this leads into my second point

    2. the Canucks need to go something around the lines of 14-4-3 in the last 21 games to make the playoffs. That is hard enough to do with the team as it is. if Kesler is traded you kiss the playoffs goodbye right now and say hi to a top 10 pick this June

    3. some people are starting to get worried or pessimistic about the return the Canucks will get. i think people will be surprised when Canucks bring in the great return that they will get for Kesler. Here is a few reasons why the return will be great:

    • he is the best player available right now
    • his contract term and cap hit are extremely attractive
    • there will be a bidding war for him
    • MG holds all the cards here: he is not backed into a corner - Kesler is not demanding a trade, he is not a UFA in the summer, he is under contract for 2 more years

    4. Now a lot of you are about to say either

    • he is injury prone
    • or he is not the player he once was.

    Newsflash, it does not matter for the most part. it is so rare for a player like this to come onto the market, but when they do teams jump at the chance to acquire them. in other words Kesler's upside along the with the large amount of interest from multiple teams will leave little to no room for GM's to complain about his issues.

    5. this is both the most important and most simple thing to take away from this situation. IF THE OFFERS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH, THEN MG DOES NOT HAVE TO TRADE HIM. This is not the goalie situation of last year. Kesler is not forcing a trade. He has publically come out to say that he is not asking for a trade and he likes being in Vancouver.

    On a personal level I believe that the guy who is Vancouver's #1 target in a Kesler trade would be Ryan Johanson. While the Canucks would probably love to get a package from Columbus that included Johanson, the odds of that happening are low. Johanson is having a breakout year and at this point im not even sure they would go for a one-for-one swap. I would absolutley be thrilled if the canucks made this work somehow

    would like to hear if this helped clear up some things about the kesler situation to people

    [Rumour] "Teams eyeing down Kesler & Edler" - Ownership prevented Kesler trade

    in Trades, Rumours, Signings

    Posted · Edited by Southpop45

    a couple really important things to note:

    1. if this trade goes down you can throw the whole re-tool idea out the window. if Kesler goes it should become full on re-build. you are not going to get a center back in a trade who is as good as Kesler. without Kesler the Canucks are an average team at best. this leads into my second point

    2. the Canucks need to go something around the lines of 14-4-3 in the last 21 games to make the playoffs. That is hard enough to do with the team as it is. if Kesler is traded you kiss the playoffs goodbye right now and say hi to a top 10 pick this June

    3. some people are starting to get worried or pessimistic about the return the Canucks will get. i think people will be surprised when Canucks bring in the great return that they will get for Kesler. Here is a few reasons why the return will be great:

    • he is the best player available right now
    • his contract term and cap hit are extremely attractive
    • there will be a bidding war for him
    • MG holds all the cards here: he is not backed into a corner - Kesler is not demanding a trade, he is not a UFA in the summer, he is under contract for 2 more years

    4. Now a lot of you are about to say either

    • he is injury prone
    • or he is not the player he once was.

    Newsflash, it does not matter for the most part. it is so rare for a player like this to come onto the market, but when they do teams jump at the chance to acquire them. in other words Kesler's upside along the with the large amount of interest from multiple teams will leave little to no room for GM's to complain about his issues.

    5. this is both the most important and most simple thing to take away from this situation. IF THE OFFERS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH, THEN MG DOES NOT HAVE TO TRADE HIM. This is not the goalie situation of last year. Kesler is not forcing a trade. He has publically come out to say that he is not asking for a trade and he likes being in Vancouver.

    On a personal level I believe that the guy who is Vancouver's #1 target in a Kesler trade would be Ryan Johanson. While the Canucks would probably love to get a package from Columbus that included Johanson, the odds of that happening are low. Johanson is having a breakout year and at this point im not even sure they would go for a one-for-one swap. I would absolutley be thrilled if the canucks made this work somehow

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    [Speculation] Sportsnet's Hockey Cenral: Should the Canucks consider moving Bo Horvat

    in Trades, Rumours, Signings

    Posted · Edited by Southpop45

    http://www.sportsnet...move-bo-horvat/

    really caught my eye to see this video, here the run down:

    1. canucks need serious help scoring, need a primary scorer not a secondary one

    2. andrew ladd was used as a good fit for the canucks

    3. the asking price the panel thought would start at would be Bo Horvat

    4. Kyper said the would cost more Bo Horvat++ to get a first line guy like ladd

    NOTES:

    1.Kyper admitted Horvat is "sexy top prospect" but you dont what hell be

    2.Lawton claimed that the Sedin extension means that Van should do whatever it takes to win now, he went on with this point Bo Horvat will never win a cup with a team lead by the Sedins (guessing he was referring to development time and how much the Sedins have left in the tank)

    3.The panel ended by stating that this is a tough decision but you need to give value to get value

    what do you guys think?

    P.S. i sorry for the spelling mistakes in the title i was typing fast

    [Lebrun] Canucks covet O'Reilly and will deal defense to aquire him

    in Trades, Rumours, Signings

    Posted · Edited by Southpop45

    Countdown on O'Reilly

    Circle Feb. 28 on your calendar. It’s as of that date that the trade freeze lifts on Ryan O'Reilly and the Colorado Avalanche can move the star player if it wishes to do so. They weren’t allowed to trade him for 12 months after matching Calgary’s offer sheet last Feb. 28.

    There are several teams we’ve spoken to over the past week that are eagerly anticipating Colorado’s decision on O’Reilly. Do they move him or keep him?

    He’s a restricted free agent July 1 whose qualifying offer costs $6.5 million. No small potatoes. Of course they can also sign him to an extension for less money if the player was up for that.

    If Colorado wants to seriously upgrade its defense corps, it likely needs to make a quality top-six forward available. Is that O’Reilly, pending UFA Paul Stastny or is there another way to get that defenseman?

    If the Avs do put O’Reilly on the trade market (and again, we don’t’ know if they ever will), there would be at least a dozen teams interested. One of them would likely be the Vancouver Canucks, who are said to covet O’Reilly and have depth at defense, which is what the Avs would be looking for. Food for thought…

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/28795/rumblings-market-for-goalies-countdown-to-ryan-oreilly-decision

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