bd71 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 It sure did, but his value also rose dramatically for us - if we want to win. If we don't mind losing, we can keep Luo. You have no idea whether Schneider is ready to play 60-70 games. But as a matter of fact, Luo wasn't either - when he tried, he'd have a couple of enormous slumps each year he did so - beginning of every year for one of them. Luo is a 'work-in-progress' alright - he is progressing his way to another team where there is no neccessity to win it all. How you can claim tha he gives us a better chance than Schneider after this past year's performance defies all logic and reason. Get this through your thick skull - look it up on nhl.com - Luo was an average, a mediocre, goalie in the regular season. In the playoffs - he was the worst goalie that took part. Schneider was third best in the regular season, and the BEST in GAA and save % in the playoffs - of ALL goalies. How can you reconcile those facts with Luo giving us the 'best chance'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamy_Nuck Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 You should know that any trade Gillis makes comes entirely out of left field. Ballard, Booth, Kassian. NO ONE saw any of these trades or considered any of these players, if you weren't already aware of this fact then you aren't much of a Canucks fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I'll give you everything but the playoff stats. Schneider was 1-2 and the only stat that matters in the playoffs is wins and losses. Quick was 16-4. That's a serious playoff stat! Coon Smythe serious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshinefe Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I'll give you everything but the playoff stats. Schneider was 1-2 and the only stat that matters in the playoffs is wins and losses. Quick was 16-4. That's a serious playoff stat! Coon Smythe serious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHL Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Josh Harding got signed by the wild today. Lu and bernier are really the only 2 goalies availalbe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Actually Schneider is also available... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 That's a dumb argument. If you're evaluating a specific player's performance, like in this case the goalie, you look at the relevant stats, not just wins and losses. By your reasoning John Tavares could be dismissed because his team loses, even if he has sparkling stats. Schneider had .960 Save% in the playoffs, enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer&meat Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Schneider couldn;t score but giving up only one goal per game is about as close to perfect as a goalie can get. Lou could not shut the door(for whatever reason) and gave up almost 3.5 GPG and we were down 2 games....who gave us the better chance to win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 A loss is a loss no matter how you slice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underachieving Hero of CDC Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 A loss is a loss no matter how you slice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-ROD Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 If anything, his value has diminished. Who else is desperate for a goalie? All other teams pretty much addressed that need, if anything Corey's value has increased because of his age and relatively low value (money wise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer&meat Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Even if you only pick out that one stat (which happens to be Schneider's worst playoff stat by far)...he still beats Luongo's 0-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnucks Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Luongo would easily get Toronto, Tampa Bay or Florida in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Luongo would easily get Toronto, Tampa Bay or Florida in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHL Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I am starting to believe that most posters on this forum aren't old enough to appreciate what bad goaltending is. Before Luongo came to town, there were two good years: 1982 and 1994. The rest are write offs. Careful what you wish for too-young-to-remember fans. It could bite this franchise in the a** for many years to come. Then again, a non-complaining Vancouverite is an immigrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underachieving Hero of CDC Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Oh the ironing. You, smurf, Noheart and a few others on this board don't see the double standard that you constantly spew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradinToSmyl Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 This post just makes me sick... Toronto in the playoffs is a very painful notion. You should get banned for comments like these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer&meat Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 What double standard? You were the one that brought up the playoff win/loss stat. I'm simply expanding on it by saying that Luongo was 0-2 while Schneider was 1-2. Am I wrong? If you don't like that stat anymore we can talk about GAA...or sv%...or any regular season stat...although I really doubt any of them would help your cause. You ignore every stat, you ignore Schneider's youth, you ignore Luongo's age, you ignore cap hit, you ignore Luongo's tendancy to put his foot in his mouth and you ignore Luongo's early season slumps and playoff meltdowns. Then you accuse me of having a double standard. Don't you see anything ironic there? You're desperately holding on to the goalie that Luongo used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 For all the Luongo haters out there, if we trade this guy it doesn't matter who we get back, Schneider is not ready to play 60-70 games AND another 25 in the post season to win us a cup. The kid (and yes, he's still a kid to those of you who think he's as proven as Luongo is) has played a total of under 60 games in his career with 4 playoff starts and has 1 playoff win. Don't let his numbers fool you, this guy has never had a taste of a full-time position and I don't trust the team's playoff Cup chances on him one bit. Sure he'll be good in 3 or 4 seasons once he's lost in the playoffs and learns what it takes, but by then our core will be old and pathetic. We need to stick with Luongo because he's been through it all and he's a work in progress, and after so much he gives us a better chance to win than Schneider. Quote me on this Luongo-haters, if we trade Luongo and hitch our wagon on Cory Schneider this team won't win a Cup for another 3 or 4 years. If we stick with Luongo we're giving ourselves a great chance to win it for each of the next 3 seasons at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nancouver Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I am starting to believe that most posters on this forum aren't old enough to appreciate what bad goaltending is. Before Luongo came to town, there were two good years: 1982 and 1994. The rest are write offs. Careful what you wish for too-young-to-remember fans. It could bite this franchise in the a** for many years to come. Then again, a non-complaining Vancouverite is an immigrant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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