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Brock Boeser to Colorado for the 4th Overall Pick in 2019 Draft. Canucks (JB) need to be bold for once. This rebuilt sucks... Slow and steady is not going to get us anywhere. But it will get everyone fired. Use the money saved that would have been used to sign Boeser to sign Panarin. With the 4th pick we have a lots of options. Possibility of trading up for Hughes or even trading with Chicago to get Bowen Byram or just take best player available at 4th pick. Colorado does because... they want to win now and they can, they have extra picks. Is there a better option for Colorado than Boeser?

NFL is Not For Long... Not as horrible of a move by Gruden that the media is making it out to be... at some point the price is too much. I wish Benning would use that principle when signing FAs. Report: Ndamukong Suh Released by Dolphins 3 Years After Signing $114M Contract

It's just one article.. but temper your enthusiasm... B0 is just a solid prospect at this point. No one knows if he will live up to the Hype. http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/6/18/4431126/bo-horvat-draft-comparables Bo Horvat is a player with quite a bit of momentum going into the draft. His team won the OHL championship, and he raised his level of play in the playoffs in order to help them out, increasing his goals per game from 0.49 during the regular season to 0.76 during the playoffs. Even though his overall statistical performance isn't jaw-dropping, that offensive improvement during the playoffs, and a solid all-around game has him moving up many lists. Corey Pronman is one scout who has Horvat ranked higher than the consensus at 14th, and has this to say about the player: Horvat is one of the most complete forwards in this draft. He is tough, hard working, and defensively skilled, with enough offensive ability to project as a scoring line player.... His creativity progressed throughout this season, and his puck skills, hand-eye coordination, and playmaking vision all rank as above average; he can flash high-end offensive skill. And there's more praise where that came from if you read the whole thing. But as I said above, his statistical performance isn't all that impressive. Is it so bad that it's a deal-breaker in the first half of the first round? Let's take a look a look at Horvat's comparables to try to find out. In this case a comparable player was someone who played his draft year in the CHL, had an adjusted goals per game rate between 0.51 and 0.63, an adjustedpoints per game rate between 0.88 and 1.08 (90% to 110% of Horvat's production), and was selected somewhere between 14th and 24th overall. It's not exactly a murderer's row. In the chart below, I've listed each player's number of regular season games and his career points per game. A couple of solid long-time NHL players and a couple of draft busts. If we widen the scope, do things look better? In this case, we'll say a comparable player was someone who played his draft year in the CHL, had an adjusted goals per game rate between 0.49 and 0.66, an adjusted points per game rate between 0.83 and 1.13 (85% to 115% of Horvat's production), and was selected somewhere between 9th and 29th overall. As with most of these wider looks, there's a player or two who catches your eye (Cam Neely), but in this particular case, there's also a whole lot of warning signals. I've again listed each player's number of regular season games and his career points per game in the chart below to give a sense of what I'm talking about. Frankly, even with the presence of Neely, this is more discouraging than the smaller list of close comparables. Just two players clock in above half a point per game in the NHL, and one of those (Grabner) just barely squeaks over the line. Players with this statistical profile in the CHL just don't generally work out as offensive players once they get to the NHL. Now, the scouting reports all suggest a player who has good skating and is solid defensively, so Horvat may have better odds than the above lists might suggest of making it to the NHL at all, but I'd peg his odds of becoming an impact offensive player as very low.

I don't think we are with the team as is. We need to be the like the Kings two years ago and make a BOLD move..trade a Horvat and a Edler or a Tanev and then. YES... DAMN RIGHTS... we could be in the Stanley Cup finals. It's a false hope to think that three in a row of Vancouver Canucks draft picks are going to turn out. Look at our draft history. Be realistic the draft is a crap shoot.

A throw away season... ridiculous!!.... They will be no closer to a Cup in three years under your plan... when Horvat is maybe contributing at an NHL level. Don't you get that... this team standing pat is going to die and is a disservice to the Core of this team. You'd be better off cheering for a team like Edmonton or Florida...they got all the prospects you would have loved 2, 3 and 4 years ago.... You'd never trade a prospect because.... WHY exactly??? yeah you would never have traded for Jeff Carter.... you just don't get how to win a Stanley Cup but I get it... you don't actually care if you win the Stanley Cup. All you care about is keeping your 'prospects' for the future. A hopeless future for you my friend.

All you talk about is Junior players and their potential... hey... I like the NHL watching Canucks Playoffs Hockey... that's what it is all about. Not making any changes means... just the same thing year after year. So I guess that's how you like it. Don't try and actually improve just stay in the middle of the pack is good enough for you. Well then this must be quite a satisfying season for you. Why even care about the future prospects when your level of success is set so low. The prospects you mention are just that prospects and can only dream of having a career like Andrew Ladd... you have no respect for such an accomplishment. I don't make Andrew Ladd sound like anything... his accomplishments speak for themselves.

So you don't see any difference between 6'2" and 6'... so what the difference between 5'9 and 6ft. OH...there goes that argument. Seriously.. you are going to quote Junior numbers as some authority on future NHL performance... geez... come on.... Only if it was that simple... you too could draft for the Canucks. Andrew Ladd by the way is 6ft 3in.... and 2 Stanley Cups. You saw what Horvat did at the World Juniors against the toughest competition... ZERO points in 5 games....you think it gets easier in the NHL. He is three years away. I just don't wanna wait... sorry .

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Don't be a weirdo... no one is saying he 'isn't any good'... he is just not going to the difference maker that will put this team in the Stanley Cup... you do realize he is just ONE player.

You do realize he was drafted 9th... you know what that means... he was passed over. And now for some reason you trust the Canucks to draft well.

Horvat does not have ideal size, he may not be a Centre in the NHL... you are just hoping he will develop... I don't get all the hype with this player.... he does nothing to an elite level... just an alround solid prospect. The only thing he truly has going for him... is all the HYPE... sell high my friend...sell high. You undervalue Andrew Ladd way too much... the guy is a leader, has size and is respected by team and community. He is already everything that you would hope for from a #9 overall draft pick.

I know the point is Gaunce is Bigger and more advanced than Horvat.

Look you are missing the point... the Canucks do not have a defensive problem... they don't need Horvat. Mantha they could use, Forsberg they could use. Andrew, 2 Stanley Cups Ladd, they could use. I don't care how good Defensively Horvat will be in 3 years...we don't need him. We already have Gaunce.

Excatly..he's WON two Cups...the Canucks can use a leader like that.

It looks pretty good... can't complain... however... where does Gaunce fit in... Can't Horvat be traded and pencil Gaunce in his place? Trade Horvat with the condition that they take Booth now. Gives us a legit shot this year.

Well I rather make some moves as the Kings did two years ago...Like Bringing in a Jeff Carter... maybe Andrew Ladd can do that for us. He is a big body and a Leader playing on a weak team. His production would surely rise playing with the quality of players the Canucks have. I really don't see any hope in waiting 3 years to see if Horvat can reach his HYPE as a possible 2 line centre... only to come up short and be in the bottom 6.

He was moved to the bottom 6 because of his lack of production...spin it anyway you want. Canucks don't need another bottom 6 player that can't score against the strongest competition... Have you not watched the last 3 YEARS.

Horvat is not the savior of the Canucks... who are you comparing him to on Pittsburgh.. Crosby? Anaheim Getzlaf? Chicago Toews?... You are seriously delusional if you think that.

Sure they looked good against the weaker teams... that's how a player elevates his HYPE... but against the toughest competition...do you really expect ZERO points. No... you expect your top six forwards to score..he didn't... he was sent to the bottom six...that is not what the Canucks need at all.

Why be against trading them... How is it working out for Edmonton???.... Holding onto prospects is no guarantee for success. It's Rare for elite prospects to meet their Hype... just look at Edmonton.

Yes he did disappear... He got three points in the first three games 2G 1A.... then ZERO points in the last 5...against the toughest competition.... that is the epidemy of disappearing.

Put me in the Yes column for trading Horvat the deal I'd do is this: To Winnipeg Bo Horvat David Booth To Vancouver Andrew Ladd Getting rid of Booth saves 4 Million in Salary Cap which is needed to fit Ladd. Horvat is extremely overrated on this board. The hype is just over the top. He disappeared at the World Juniors which was extremely alarming. There is really no reason for all the hype.... it's just plain wishful thinking. Don't only look at it as Horvat for Ladd but instead Schnieder for Ladd

My guess is Don Edwards