Lionized27
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16 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:
Guns aren't the issue, it's people like this not in jail.
Not only not in custody, released from it due to our judicial system.
Even more concerning is the high probability he'll reoffend.
I'm curious to hear Cst. Saunderson comment on reducing gun violence now.
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1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:
The sheep in this thread always trust what JT tells them. Maybe the government should actually enforce the law and go after criminals.
Man released in northern B.C. with 19 gun charges pending
A 24-year-old man has been released in northern B.C. despite almost 20 gun-related charges pending before the courts.
Devin Daniel Calliou was arrested in early January by North District RCMP in co-operation with the Dawson Creek and Fort St. John detachments.
"There would very likely be some public concerns," says one RCMP official about any potential release.
He was released from custody after posting bail on March 13.
"The RCMP remains committed to the enforcement efforts directed at reducing gun violence in our communities," said Cpl. Madonna Saunderson at the time of his arrest.
Calliou faces 19 charges, some of which include:- Discharge firearm with intent
- Aggravated assault
- Kidnapping
- Forcible confinement
- Armed robbery
- Pointing a firearm
He has several priors, having been found guilty of breaking and entering, mischief $5,000 or under, and wilfully resisting or obstructing a peace officer in October 2017.
He was found guilty of several breaches of court orders, fleeing from police, and possession of stolen property over $5,000 in September last year.
Calliou is scheduled to appear in Dawson Creek court on July 8.
Well this is something that could certainly be preventable. Make bail unattainable for gun crimes. I don't believe that's unreasonable. Especially if the courts consider the fact these particular gun crimes are in conjunction with other violent crimes.
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8 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:
I don't really care about him lying about gun control.
The more gun control in Canada the better. The less guns in the hands of canadians the better.
Getting rid of guns in Canada will save lives. I do accept the need for guns for Canadians that choose to hunt to provide food for their families though.
Just so we're clear; it's ok for Trudeau to lie to a group as long as you get what you want? This is what you're saying?
As for the bolded portion; removing the legal guns does nothing to solve the issue regarding illegal guns. Apparently it makes people "feel safe" however, which I suppose is all that's required.
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40 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:
The only one ignoring anything is Scheer that tried to lie to / mislead Canadian voters.
I think you are being honest, Scheer not so much.
Back on topic and speaking of lying politicians, you're probably not going to like this:
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10 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:
Sounds like you were defending him... when you said he was renouncing his usa citizenship.
Is there any proof of this happening ? Facts ?
I also wrote "from what I know". Again, convenient for you to ignore.
4 minutes ago, Pears said:Sounds exactly like Strome when he tries to say he isn’t defending/doesn’t care about Trump but his posts clearly show otherwise.
Can't speak for Strome but I could honestly care less.
Just the facts.
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2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:
You sure about that..... do you trust Scheer.... ?
https://globalnews.ca/news/6188221/andrew-scheer-not-on-list-former-us-citizens/
wiki
Citizenship - Canada
- United States
How convenient for you to omit the portion of my post stating I am not defending him in any way.
Carry on.
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4 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:
Well, Scheer is an American citizen (which he lied about) but I believe what KOS meant is the CPC tried to run what Canadians perceive to be an American-style politician.
He was a dual citizen, of which he has revoked his American portion (from what I know).
He was born in Ottawa, his father was American.
In no way am I defending the guy. Just feel it's necessary to keep facts in order.
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11 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:
Never good to run a american candidate in a canadian election. Unbelievable dumb political party management.......
Not to mention running a candidate that wants to reduce rights for women.
You make it sound as if he's not a Canadian citizen, is that what you believe?
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4 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:
This story doesn't really have anything to do with the Nova Scotia shootings, or the AR ban, but it underscores why Canadians (outside of a few outliers) would never support the kind of lax regulations that they have in the US:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/michigan-security-guard-mask-killing-trnd/index.html
this is the issue with giving people easy access to and the right to carry a firearm whenever they want. they use them, even in situations that call for a middle finger, or a sharp word....BTW: I'm betting the shooter was "law abiding".....before he killed the security guard....
Man, that is a messed up story.
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37 minutes ago, Pears said:
What’s this whining about Trudeau being a dictator again?
https://ipolitics.ca/2015/09/02/two-dozen-secret-cabinet-decisions-hidden-from-parliament-canadians/
It would be difficult for Trudeau to bury an OiC which is directed to confiscate private property.
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3 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:
Why would any CDN citizen possibly need such a gun ? Absolutely not needed. Ban it , Ban it and then Ban it again.
You just wait until we get to Mars.
You'll wish you had more than this to defend yourself.
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8 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:
Misriah Armory, BR55 Service Rifle, 40mm, 36 round mag.
Similar to a Kel Tek RDB...but not quite.
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19 minutes ago, Lancaster said:
That's the unfortunate part.
CCFR are more active and proactive... but NFA is always the go-to stooge by the government.
Speaking of the CCFR, have you taken their quiz?
I scored 14.
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2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:
If you think the NRA is not interested in CDN gun regulations...... you are clearly delusional ........ but actually this does not really surprise me...
https://www.americasquarterly.org/fulltextarticle/the-nras-hemispheric-reach/
Happiness Is a Cold Gun
When Canada announced plans to strengthen gun laws in the early 1990s, the NRA threatened then-Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien that its members would boycott hunting in Canada, a significant source of U.S. tourism dollars in many parts of Canada, particularly the West.
Nowhere did I say they're not interested. They are absolutely able to decry legislation and boycott all they like. Holding any influence over a foreign government is where I question you even bringing this up.
Canadian firearms owners have the NFA to speak on their behalf.
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5 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
I have no problem with that. I just want to see a simple list of what you own in an RCMP database. I don't think thats too much to ask to go online, input your PAL # and write in what you own, if the balance is you get to be a collector. Or have the gun store owner do it for you at the time of purchase.
If we're talking about bringing in actual controls to our gun laws, that means we need to be able to close the loop on sales. You can't know fully where all illegal guns are coming from without it.
I would have no issue with the idea of inputting my non restricted ownership data if I believed it would solve the issue of gun crime.
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6 minutes ago, Lancaster said:
Except you're applying the rules retroactively.
So, does that gun fit your criteria for a hunting rifle?
Head's up.
You're debating with someone who believes a US lobby group somehow applies to Canada.
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8 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
Thats for sure. But you can't check every package of every container crossing the border. Or every farm that sits on the border for that matter.
It would be a lot easier to implement an Australian type solution if we didn't have the worlds biggest arms manufacturer on the border.
I don't agree with 'fully controlled' though. I don't see how thats possible without a purchasing database for all guns.
Retailers keep records. Even for non restricted purchases. Private sales of non restricted rifles would need to be tightened. All restricted firearms are listed with the RPAL licensee and a transfer agreement goes through the CFO before the exchange can take place. This goes for both retail and private sales.
The long gun (non restricted) registry was scrapped because the information it compiled was useless to LEO. Maybe it could be revisited, I don't know?
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6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
You need to stop personalizing this. No one is coming after gun owners. You're also not worthy of special attention because you didn't break the law. This 'legal gun owners are victims' thing is actually hurting your side and its not grounded in reality. Everyone is subject to regulations, it doesn't make you a victim.
There's a flow of guns both legal and illegal. To me the 2 big questions are: how many and what type of controls do we need to contain the flow of guns? And, Is it possible to place controls on the flow of illegal guns without fully controlling legal ones?
Well, legal firearms are fully controlled in Canada. stemming the flow of illegal firearms starts at our ports (IMHO). Organized crime and the distribution of unmarked Norinco firearms to the US comes through Canada. You can certainly bet there's a number of them not making it across the border. Then, of course, there's the flow coming back from the US.
Bottom line; CBSA needs money and manpower.
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19 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
So is the idea that handguns also be stored at a range that far off? e.g., it closes the loop on theft, people using at home on their spouses, etc. and as you point out its the only place they're supposed to be used anyway.
I'm not saying you're far off it's the simple fact that your suggestion is misdirected. I'll repeat it: legal firearms owners are not the problem. Gun crimes committed by legal firearms owners make up a fraction of one percent of firearms crimes in Canada. Look it up.
Then comes the liability issue(s). An isolated gun range is not an ideal location to stash hundreds of pistols. On the other hand, you'd be hard pressed to find any criminal willing to break into a police detachment to steal firearms.
The bottom line; we are not the issue. The government should stop trying to solve a problem that isn't there. Spend our tax dollars on coming up with solutions to the actual issue(s) not making criminals out of law abiding citizens.
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12 minutes ago, Gnarcore said:
Been to multiple ranges where no one is on site the vast majority of the time. Until someone started a business selling ammo and shooting tours there we'd only very rarely see the RCMP roll in now and again at the local one.
When the Olympics were coming they expanded our range for the RCMP/military here. A few times they were there training and let us use their autos and barrett .50 cals. That was awesome!
Must just be the GVRD then. PCDHFC as well as DVC normally have a number of RO's on site.
I've been to a few ranges in Ontario as well. Been the only person there a number of times.
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9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
I was talking about the whole N process - you're restricted on what you can do for quite a while. If we did something similar for gun training that might be interesting, like people can only shoot at a range for the first few years and pass a written and a practical use test.
thats actually not that far off
There already is a written and practical use test including the training for your PAL/RPAL and, speaking of restricted firearms, they can ONLY be used at a range. All ranges (at least in BC) are also supervised by Range Officers to ensure users are adhering to the rules and procedures. If you break any rules it could mean your membership is revoked thus you would lose the privilege of owning restricted firearms because a range membership is mandatory unless, of course, your license is collector status.
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48 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
Whats wrong with leaving your handguns locked up at a gun range? wouldn't that be a fair compromise to a full on ban?
Gun ranges (especially in the lower mainland) have enough issues, insurance included, to not want to have to deal with this liability as well.
I would not be against storing them at a police detachment but again, liability.
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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:
its interesting that the gun lobby is upset about removing guns that look a certain way. It proves the concern over how some people fetishize these weapons. The fact that they look "scary" or "military" is part of what attracts people to buy lots of them.
What you call a fetish is the modular build style. These rifles can be equipped/tailored to various shooting skills. One rifle, different options for the various platforms, becomes a lot easier and less expensive than a number of different rifles in the long run.
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3 hours ago, Russ said:
Ignore tune Trudeau part I don't know how to crop it out on my phone and don't care for that comparison much. But that ruger is used as a hunting rifle. But they banned the bottom one because it looks like an "assault" rifle (which hss been banned since 1977). Sure if you want to ban guns that shoot more rounds at a quicker pace then sure put it in parliament, the left has enough seats it's going to pass anyways. But to ban hunting rifles just because they look scary is wrong and to allow FN an exemption for hunting (wait the government literally said they get exempt from gun ban for hunting, for hunting! Why are they suddenly classified as hunting guns now and not "mass killing weapons")
I'm not even a gun owner, don't care for them much myself, I stick to paintball guns only. I just don't like double standards, everything should be one rule in the country and don't like the miss information the government spread and made a sweeping generalization about various guns.
I'm going to ask you about the bolded part because you included it in this post. I know you're not the only one to have written it here but what does this mean, exactly?
Nova Scotia shooter dead after killing 22 people/CDN Govt "assault style" weapons ban.
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Nothing to debate regarding the message, attack the messenger?
Typical.