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38 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said:
Graovac to the KHL
Looks like he's joined Dinamo Minsk, the team Klimovich is currently on a trial contract with and may join next season. If Klimovich does indeed sign with Dinamo Minsk, Graovac would be a good, familiar bar to measure his development against.
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Really excited about this! He'll have the opportunity to play plenty of games this year in Barrie. As far as I know, Jet Greaves will be the only real competition in the crease for him. Barrie is only about a 20 minute drive from my place, so I'll try to get out and see him play as much as possible!
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Rick Dhaliwal on air saying over the past few days he's been hearing from multiple sources that the Canucks have been aggressively pursuing Tyson Barrie in trade talks with Colorado.
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6 minutes ago, steviewonder20 said:
Not sure if this rumour has any validity but it says the Canucks are trying to move up in the draft, probably to Detroit’s spot at #6. If so, the two big questions for me are who are they coveting and what will the cost be? Since Edler is now resigned, are they now looking at a first line winger instead of a D-man? As much intrigue as a good mystery novel.
At 6 its gotta be Zegras. As for the cost I have no idea. I guess it comes down to how much Detroit values their guy at 6 over their guy at 10 and how many other teams are trying to move up.
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NMC or full NTC? Haven't seen anything reported on that yet. Think its safe to assume with a deal like that he probably has full trade protection.
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I've been stressing about this for so long. I love Lu, he's a national treasure, but I am praying this stupid rule doesn't handicap this team. Every other player in this situation has ended up on LTIR, but it would be very Canuckish if we were the first team to get hammered with the cap recapture.
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4 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:
If Benning has Knight ranked as the BPA when we pick would anyone be upset if we took him?
He is being touted as having the potential to be the best US goalie ever and is ranked in the top 5 and top 10 by some teams according to B Mac
It would shocked if Benning pulled the trigger on that, but I wouldn't be upset about it. He is an unbelievable prospect and then we could actually be comfortable including Markstrom, Demko, or DiPietro in a trade package. Not the move I would make.... but a justifiable one that could pay off big.
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5 minutes ago, TGokou said:
Seider has moved up considerably from low 20s to 15 which is an average so some teams probably have him as high as 10 and others as low as 20. Also interesting there is a run of 5 defensemen in a row which means they are interchangeable based on what a team believes.
Assuming Mckenzies rankings are the most accurate in terms of a mock draft my choices would be as follows
1st - Zegras/Seider/Caufield
2nd - Nicholas Robertson -> rated much higher on most scouting services and in my opinion is gonna be a Brendan Gallagher mold
3rd - Pavel Dorofeyev -> would be criminal to not pick him up here if he is still available ..a second round talent for sure
I think I found Broberg being at 15 behind Soderstrom the most interesting. The fact that Soderstrom, Broberg, Seider, Harley, and York are ranked side by side from 14-18 shows that there is absolutely zero consensus in the defensemen rankings from team to team after Byram. I think from 5 to about 20 this could be one of the craziest drafts ever with unexpected picks and teams trading up and down.
Is it Friday yet?!
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https://www.tsn.ca/americans-set-to-dominate-first-round-of-the-nhl-draft-1.1323878
Bob McKenzie's final consensus draft rankings are out.
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10 minutes ago, YearoftheNuck said:
Does anyone know who all has come to Vancouver for extended interviews?
I know that Krebs came, and I believe Zegras as well, but any word on any other players?
Thank you
It was reported that the Canucks were brining in 2-3 prospects for extended interviews this past week as well as meeting again with Zegras closer to the draft. Newhook and Krebs were confirmed to be 2 of the prospects brought in. It could just be those 3, or as reported, there could be a 4th that we haven't heard about yet.
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5 hours ago, jptony604 said:
I’m a bit scared of boldy and zegras
Why's that? I think you could argue that maybe Boldy's ceiling isn't quite as high as some of these other guys, but I also think his floor is probably the highest. Zegras really excites me. The combined creativity and hockey IQ of Zegras and Pettersson paired with Boeser's finishing ability would be something to see
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12 minutes ago, jptony604 said:
Im going to be honest and this may not be a very popular choice by many on here but unless the canucks move up to get Byram I really really really hope Podkolzin falls to us and we pick him. I think in the position we are in picking 10th the best chance for us to make a bang in this draft is only Podkolzin or Caufield. If we pick Podkolzin he would be a good fit with Petey and if we pick Caufield maybe would be a good fit with Bo. This is the only way we can make or break in this draft. All the others I just don’t see it. (I’m just talking forwards here) for D if we can’t get Byram would be nice to get another draft pick later in the first to get Soderstorm or Seider.
Before y’all go nuts hating on my opinion just know that I’m just as much if not more of a canucks fan than you. When my family immigrated to Canada in 93’ the fist thing I saw on tv in our motel room (because our home wasn't ready to move in for few days) was a Canucks game. The first time I went to kindergarten the canucks were in the cup finals and buzz around me (when I couldn’t even understand English) I was just hooked from there on. When our family moved to Alberta in elementary school I was literally the only Canucks fan in my whole town. The ridicule I got from my classmates and my hockey teammates for being a canucks fan was hard to bare haha (but got thru it) lol I paid $7000 dollars for 2 center ice seats to watch game 7 in 2011 and even tho I now live in Asia I still catch at least half the Canucks games a season on my laptop and keep up to date on what’s going on to the team.
So before u hate please don’t question my knowledge or care for this team.
Cheers mate! Love hearing the stories of how people became Canucks fans. Thanks for sharing!
I think you're absolutely right in that Caufield and Podkolzin have two of the highest ceilings of the players that could realistically be available for us at 10. However, I don't think those are the only two that could end up being great players for us. I'm personally a big fan of Zegras, Krebs, Newhook, and Boldy as well. I agree with your evaluation of the defensive pool though. The only way I'd like us to come out of the first round with a defenseman is in a trade down scenario. If we could trade down a few spots from 10 and come out with 2 of Seider/Soderstrom/Tomasino/Lavoie/Dorofeyev/Poulin, I would consider that a big win.
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2 hours ago, Rodishred said:
Took the words right out of my mouth lol!!!
Broberg being the only defencemen (at #10) I'd include with this group.
I would be okay with Broberg at 10. I wouldn't have the same level of excitement and comfortability as I'd have with one of the 4 aforementioned forwards though.
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Voting is done before playoffs start, so Binnington's playoff performance is irrelevant.
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4 minutes ago, Fanuck said:
The exact reasons why a franchise wouldn't take a risk on a guy like AK is why I think JB/Green might be interested in Krebs if available at the 10 spot.
He's everything Kaliyev isn't - a great skater, reliable in every zone, impossible to out-work anywhere on the ice, and has had to work for everything he's accomplished in Major Junior hockey. Anything Krebs can't do (average size, pass-first mentality, face-off ability are his supposed weaknesses) - is easily addressed through either committed training and/or targeted coaching. I read one report from a respected scout indicating that Krebs took the entire ICE team on his back and refused to let them be complacent as the 'last placed team that wasn't supposed to do well' for TWO complete seasons. This is a guy you want on your team and the kind of player you ultimately win with in the end. His injury is a non-factor for me when you look at his drive/work ethic - he'll easily recover from this and be a better player.
Krebs would be a very, very difficult pass if available at 10 and makes the weaknesses in a guy like AK that much more exposed imo.
Couldn't agree more. The achilles injury scares me a little bit, but I would love Krebs at 10. There are many guys that I would be okay with us picking at 10, but the 4 realistic options I would be most excited about are in no particular order; Krebs, Zegras, Boldy, and Newhook. My ranking of those 4 guys changes almost daily haha!
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7 minutes ago, We Are All Cucks said:
Fair enough. Thanks for the response. I wasn't promoting him, but was just legit curious.
I did a little reading after my post, and it basically corroborated everything you said (though, not quite as entertainingly). At first look, he seemed intriguing, with a lot of skill. Unfortunately that skill is one dimensional...though...what a dimension!
So basically, a team takes a flyer on him in the late first/second round, hoping they have some sort of "Kaliyev whisperer" who can bring his skill to the forefront, and send the rest of the package into remission
The intrigue is 100% warranted. His ceiling is sky high, but there is no other prospect rated in the first round that has as many hurdles to jump in order to approach that ceiling. In that sense he is very similar to Ryan Merkley of last years draft. I'd expect him to get drafted in a similar position too, likely in the 18 to 25 range. Could go a tad higher if a team is confident they can fix him as you mentioned, could fall right out of the first if he totally bombed interviews.
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3 hours ago, We Are All Cucks said:
His name has come up a couple times in these threads, but I am wondering what people's thoughts are on Arthur Kaliyev. Anybody know why he isn't as highly regarded as he was at the start of the season?
He's recently been ranked 7th for NA skaters and 13th OA by ISS, but most have him in the 20-30 range. Back in October, Button had him at 10 (https://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-kakko-boldy-and-kaliyev-rise-up-draft-rankings-1.1196164).
Wot's the deal? Just too many good players?
Every aspect of his game that isn't putting the puck in the net is a total red flag. He has a low compete level, he's lazy, not a good skater, he's one dimensional, he is invisible for 90% of the game. You ever look at Reid Boucher's stat lines in the AHL and wonder why he can't get it going at the NHL level? Then you actually watch him play and it all makes sense? That is Arthur Kaliyev. Think Reid Boucher with Goldobin's character.
P.S. I have absolutely nothing against Reid Boucher. He is a great guy and I'd love it if we could keep him in our farm system. I just have no desire to draft a comparable player in the top 10. I think we are starting to cultivate a really great culture on this team that is led by our young core. While we need to draft BPA, I think it is nearly if not equally as important that we draft guys that fit with that culture. You think Green butt heads with Goldobin? If we draft Kaliyev, instead of presenting him with a jersey, they might as well give him his own custom press box seat.... That's where he'd be spending all of his time.
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4 hours ago, Pure961089 said:I’d like to take a poll to see how many people would be willing to trade next years draft pick (edit: first round) and a prospect like (edit)
GaudetteDiPietro or Madden for another first round pick this year? In the 11-14 range. Would you do it?No chance. Next year's draft is outrageous. We need to hang on to our 2020 first.
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12 hours ago, Jaku said:
He can only play 15 games in the WHL (I think).
He'll have to find somewhere else to play in the mean time.
I believe it is only 5 games he can play this upcoming season before entering the league full-time next season.
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12 minutes ago, D-Money said:Sorry, I meant to contrast Wahlstrom and Farabee going in, and then just got lost in my own post. That's what I get for posting before my 2nd coffee.
Farabee would be a good example of the two. However, I seem to remember Philly taking him at 14 as considered a bit of a reach. Wahlstrom had much higher numbers of the two, and was the higher ranked prospect at pretty much every source. But it seems in retrospect that a lot of it was Hughes.
Haha no worries man! That makes sense. You are right about Wahlstrom having the better draft numbers and being the higher ranked prospect by most sources. However, the gap between them was much smaller than you are implying. In their draft years on the U18 USDP Wahlstrom put up 62gp 48g 46a 94p and Farabee put up 62gp 33g 43a 76p (Jack Hughes had 36gp 27g 41a 68p). In terms of rankings, Wahlstrom usually found himself just inside the top 10 while Farabee found himself just outside it. Farabee was always considered the more complete player and had the intangibles going for him, he was actually the captain of the U18 team that year. The big draw to Wahlstrom was always his finishing ability. Similar to Caufield this year, Wahlstrom went wire to wire having the highest rated shot and being considered the best pure goal scorer in the class. The hits against Wahlstrom were always his lack of foot speed and his questionable compete level.
I know a ton of people on these forums were very high on Wahlstrom and wanted him at 7. I wasn't very high on him for the reasons stated above, and I wasn't shocked to see him have a bit of a disappointing at BC. That being said, Wahlstrom had an excellent (albeit short) stint in the AHL after leaving BC and could still return good value on the #11 pick.
To relate it back to this years draft, it is easy to say all these guys have have inflated numbers and only look good because they're playing with Hughes. But this years USNDTP is the best of all time, and Hughes isn't the reason for that. The program has seen superstar level players in the past (Kane, Eichel, Matthews), but this '01 class is the best ever because there are so many other players that are stars in their own right and don't need to rely on that superstar to carry the play. Hughes, Turcotte, Zegras, Caufield, Boldy were all dominant before they got together on this team. And the 4 outside of Hughes have proved they are still that when Hughes has been out of the lineup. I would be pumped with any of those guys at #10. Normally at this time of the year I have a list of 2 or 3 guys I really want the Canucks to take in the first round. This year that list is like 10 deep. I cannot wait for next Friday!!!
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10 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:
Wasn't there some rumor that if Arizona had not taken Barrett Hayton, that the Canucks would've taken him at 7?
If I recall correctly, they had him rated very high and were seriously contemplating taking him as they thought he was another Bo Horvat kind of player.
As @ruilin96 has already mentioned, after the draft JB stated that the first 7 players picked were the top 7 players they had ranked on their board. So yes, they definitely had him rated highly and since he was rated in their top 7, he was obviously a player they were considering with the 7th pick. That's where the rumour came from... It was never the Canucks would have taken him at 7, it was that they could have taken him at 7. Analysts just mentioned that other teams such as the Canucks were high on Hayton to justify the Coyotes pick because it's very possible he wouldn't have made it to them if they traded down. While I haven't seen the board, based on pre and post draft comments, as well as now knowing Hughes was #3, I would be willing to bet quite a bit of money that Zadina/Hayton or Hayton/Zadina were 6 and 7 on the Canucks 2018 draft board.
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11 hours ago, Where's Wellwood said:
If they loved Brady, I wonder what went wrong with the Matthew interview.
They are fairly similar players, but they are very different people. Brady's intangibles are off the charts. He just finished his rookie season in Ottawa and he's already viewed as the leader of that team. He won't have to wait long before he gets the "C".
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1 hour ago, D-Money said:
Am I the only one who looks at all these US National Development team players with a little trepidation? I wonder if Jack Hughes (and maybe Alex Turcotte) are even better than anyone expects, and a lot of the overwhelming success the others are getting is mostly from who they are playing with.
Last year it was Wahlstrom and Farabee, both of whom were drafted quite high, and had disappointing D+1 years - when they didn't have Hughes to feed them anymore. I bet a few of Caufield, York, Boldy, Zegras, etc. will end up going higher than guys who end up being superior players.
So personally, when the USDP guys are ranked similarly to the WHL and Euro guys, I lean to the latter.
In what world did Farabee have a disappointing D+1 season?
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52 minutes ago, ruilin96 said:
Just a hunch, my guess of JB’s list of the top 7 picks base on what he said in the interview right after last year’s draft and also the video above. He did mention that the top 7 players that got picked is the top 7 players he has on his list, just in a different order. And we know he has Quinn Hughes at 3:
1). Rasmus Dahlin - consensus #1, absolutely no doubt
2). Jesperi Kotkaniemi - best center in the draft, and plays a strong 2-way game, a hunch tells me he is the kind of player JB will want on the team to solidify the cantering depth. Remember, as of last June, the organization was still hoping EP could be a top line center, he was view as someone who will start on the wing and eventually transition himself to the center position. JB would want to make sure there is another legitimate Center-man to form a 1-2 punch with Horvat, therefore my guess Kotkaniemi at 2 instead of Svechnikov.
3). Quinn Hughes - as said in the video they had him at third and was ecstatic when he was available at #7.
4). Brady Tkachuk - Tough, hardnose, physical player with great skill, who could become a Center one day. Definitely have him high on their list and I feel like JB and the co isn’t super high on Svechnikov (just a hunch).
5). Andrej Svechnikov - for some reason, I don’t feel like the Canucks would be very high on him (atleast I wasn’t, because last year I didn’t want the Canucks end up at #2 after the lottery). I see him as more of a Rick Nash (don’t get me wrong, a very good player), but there are going to be better players in this draft class (top center and top d-man are harder to come by) than he will be when they all reach their prime. He was ranked high in most rankings because of his NHL ready body and able to step in and contribute right way. Personally, I was not high on him, and I don’t think the Canucks were as well (just a hunch).
6). Filip Zadina - I think the Canucks would still have Zadina behind Svechnikov on their list. But I do believe the Canucks have Zadina ranked higher than Hayton.
7). Barrett Hayton - now imagine if the first 6 players are gone and at #7 the Canucks select Hayton instead of Boqvist, Wahlstrom, Bouchard or Dobson, what the reaction of this pick would be like on CDC.
That's totally fair and could very well be correct. My best guess would be:
1) Dahlin
2) Tkachuk
3) Hughes
4) Svechnikov
5) Kotkaniemi
6) Zadina
7) Hayton
Similar to you having a hunch that the Canucks weren't high on Svech, I just have a hunch they were obsessed with Brady. The way that guy carries himself, there's no way he didn't interview the best out of all the prospects. He is a total gamer, provides the physicality the Canucks so desperately need, and he obviously had tons of untapped offensive potential heading into the draft. I could see Tkachuk, Svech, and Kotkaniemi in any order on the Canucks list and not be surprised though. I do disagree a little about your take on Svech. I actually live about 20 minutes away from Barrie, so I got to see him play on the regular in junior. There aren't any holes in his game... zero. Everyone knew about his offensive ability, but nobody was really commenting on how he was Barrie's best penalty killer by a mile. He's strong as an ox, reliable everywhere, skates like the wind, and has an elite finishing ability. Leading up to the draft last year I compared him to Malkin on the wing. I totally stand by that and I'll be shocked if he doesn't have a long, fantastic NHL career.
Regardless though, I am so pumped that we have Hughes! Canucks were totally justified in having him at #3 and I'm pumped the hockey gods did us a solid and dropped Pettersson and Hughes in our lap. Now if only we can make it 3 years in a row and grab Zegras at 10 this year
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Looks like Tyler Graovac has signed with Dinamo Minsk, the KHL team Klimovich is currently on a trial contract with and may join next season. If Klimovich does indeed sign with Dinamo Minsk, Graovac would be a good, familiar bar to measure his development against.