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On 8/28/2023 at 6:19 AM, DeNiro said:
This is why you build a team full of young and hungry players.
OEL is happy to collect his retirement contract and just go through the motions. Exact same thing happened with Eriksson.
Lets hope Miller is built different.
Wait wait...but I thought...OEL was fine before he got injured...OEL is a more well-rounded player than Hughes...OEL was being dragged down by Myers...OEL is everything you want in a teammate and a leader
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9 hours ago, nergish said:
Funny to think Benning heard OEL wanted to live in Vancouver, and assumed it was because he thought we had a good team…
He wanted to come here to retire.
I never really hated the idea of bringing in OEL, but we should have been able to leverage the fact that he wanted to come here specifically. More retention, no 1st round pick; that would have been a completely different story.
You know it's a terrible trade when the retrospective view is that it would have been more palatable had Arizona retained more AND had we not given up a 9th overall pick
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On 8/22/2023 at 9:35 AM, Bounce000 said:
He was so committed to not taking the stairs he installed an elevator.
Looked like the only thing he was committed to...
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12 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:
That is literally what happens, especially when they go to contending teams. Mind boggling you can’t grasp this.
So this is your claim: 1/3 of the NHL was interested in OEL, and he could have gotten more term/AAV, but decided to take a one-year deal worth only 2.25m because he feels he is already making enough money.
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6 hours ago, Citizen Erased said:
I don’t think it’s unanimous, but you can make a very good case for him being captain.
I think he'd make a great captain because he says meaningful things in a measured and thoughtful way. Anyone can step in front of cameras and speak a bunch of platitudes and token hockey phrases that convey basically no meaning and leave you scratching your head (paraphrasing one Sedin quote: "We're not winning because guys are scoring, guys are scoring because we're winning, and that's fun."...like...huh?).
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5 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:
Benefit to bought out players you can get a decent player at a reduced cost cause another team is also paying him
So then you are indeed suggesting that these bought-out players will take less than they can garner because they figure they're making enough money already...
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10 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:
Nope where did I say that?
You said bought-out players generally get paid less because they are already getting paid by their former team, and not because they are bad. So what other logical conclusion can one come to?
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13 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:
And? Does that not make them a Stanley Cup finalist?
Why do you keep mentioning "Cup finalist" as if somehow that is validation of your opinion of OEL? "Cup finalists" and President's Trophy winning Vancouver Canucks traded for David Booth...
This logic is almost as convoluted as "OEL is a more well-rounded player than Hughes" because apparently the latter is too good at offense...
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12 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:
Nope, again not worth a superstar contract =/= awful.
Btw...you have to be pretty bad for a team to pay you for eight years just to get you to stop playing for them for four years
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15 minutes ago, KirkSave said:
Auston Matthews is a skilled forward with an incredible shot but he lacks compete and this is why his numbers are lacking when it comes to playoff hockey. He is not an impact player when it matters most.
I have included the clip below from the game in Van last year. Watch how EP40 completely outwills and outskates Matthews to make this a sh 2 on 1 with Miller (0:40 s), which in turn shifted the momentum completely in the game.
That was an incredible pass by Pettersson on that second goal.
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7 hours ago, rekker said:
Yip. The comparables are laffable. I'm not saying AM isn't good at hockey, just have been saying he's overrated and way more one dimensional than many think. Another season like last year for AM and look out, the contract may look silly. Oh wait though, AM's numbers are down because he's working on his defensive game, lol. I remember that theory well enough.
I remember similar things said about JT Miller, or by Miller himself...
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10 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:
Bad and not worth a superstar contract are 2 entirely different things.
Wait a second...are you suggesting that OEL could have gotten more term/AAV, but decided to do the Panthers a solid by taking a one-year deal with low AAV because he figured he was already making enough from the Canucks?
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7 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:
Generally bought out players sign at a reduced rate because the rest of their salary is paid by another team. Are you new to this?
Uh what?
Bought-out players sign at reduced rates because they are bad. You know how I know they're bad? Because they were bought out
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3 hours ago, iinatcc said:
Eriksson had a year left in his contract. Most of us would have not problem having him hang around for another season.
As for the Sedins' Involvement in the OEL, we mentioned this so many times now, these two were staring their first year in the front office (meaning no experience). I could see them endorsing OEL as a peer they respect but it's a GM's job to get a wide range of opinions within the organization. So Benning would have been really dumb if his decision to trade for OEL relied soley on the Sedins.
I said this before I will say it again. If I was the CEO and decided to make my decision solely on the opinion of an intern and it falls flat on my face, all the blame should go to me and I deserve to get fired.
And yes, fully agree on keeping Eriksson for one more year. The shortsightedness of that trade was stunning.
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36 minutes ago, iinatcc said:
That is my key point why would someone with almost 30 of hockey executive experience at the time (8 as a general manager) make such key decisions based on the opinions people with no front office hockey experience?
This is 99.9% all on Benning and 00.1% on the Sedins.
This is Homer Simpson level judgment on the part of Benning if what you said is true.
Well Benning literally said it, so either he's lying or it's true.
So at least we agree there is a nonzero level of blame that goes to the Sedin's. Now, if you ask why someone with Benning's experience as an executive would take advice from people with no front office hockey experience, I'd ask why those people with no front office hockey experience would have the audacity to weigh in so heavily - to the point where they were able to successfully convince Benning to add the second round pick in order to complete the trade.
I fully acknowledge that the final call falls on Benning, and of course he shares the majority of the blame, but come on, don't try to pretend that the Sedin's were so innocent in all of this. Again, they pushed so hard for OEL to the point where they were advising on pieces in the deal to include. That goes pretty far beyond just endorsing OEL as a peer.
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2 hours ago, iinatcc said:
Eriksson had a year left in his contract. Most of us would have not problem having him hang around for another season.
As for the Sedins' Involvement in the OEL, we mentioned this so many times now, these two were staring their first year in the front office (meaning no experience). I could see them endorsing OEL as a peer they respect but it's a GM's job to get a wide range of opinions within the organization. So Benning would have been really dumb if his decision to trade for OEL relied soley on the Sedins.
I said this before I will say it again. If I was the CEO and decided to make my decision solely on the opinion of an intern and it falls flat on my face, all the blame should go to me and I deserve to get fired.
You can say what you want, but Benning himself stated that the Sedin's were so high on OEL that they were the ones who convinced him to add in the second round pick that Arizona asked for. I mean, to convince Benning to add the second - at that point, they were no longer simply " endorsing OEL as a peer they respect" - they were actively part of the front office people orchestrating the deal.
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10 minutes ago, spook007 said:
Sorry dougie, but are you blaming the Sedins for the mess the team has gone through?
Well Linden refused to rebuild out of respect for the Sedin's (https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1173594), which led to us signing Eriksson to play with them, which led us to dumping Eriksson as part of a trade that forced us to take on OEL, the latter of whom was recommended by none other than the Sedin's.
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40 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:
Have to wonder why there is interest from a Stanley Cup finalist, vs a basement dweller…
I'm sure you understand that there are varying degrees of "interest" - one end of the "interest" spectrum results in the signing of a player to a long-term big money contract; near the other end, it results in a one-year, nearly risk-free deal. I'll let you take a guess as to on which end of the spectrum was Florida's interest
Cup finalists are typically fairly tight against the cap, and they can't afford to sign UFAs for big money. So they go bargain-bin shopping...
I don't understand why you keep trumpeting "interest from a Stanley Cup finalist" - dude...they signed him to a 1y 2.25m deal
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42 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:
Teams interested in signing him.
How do you know 1/3 of the NHL was interested in signing OEL? If that were true, don't you think he could have gotten a bigger contract than he did?
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2 hours ago, cripplereh said:
No but McDavid is the best player in the world so reason to bring up his name.
He is miles ahead of Mathews and EP.
If he got a new deal would be highest it could be at that time he signed and deserved.
Okay so then you concede that bringing his team a Cup is not the only measure of what that player should be paid...
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On 6/25/2023 at 11:03 AM, canuck73_3 said:
1/3 of the NHL disagrees with your thoughts on OEL.
Where do you get this 1/3 number from...
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35 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:
Long summer ?
It's always a long summer when thinking about the course that the Sedin's have been partially responsible for setting this team on.
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20 hours ago, cripplereh said:
Well way to much for a guy who can't get his team to the cup.
McDavid hasn't gotten his team to the Cup either...
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6 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:
Hahahaha always a 2nd rounder in the mix. blah
6 hours ago, canucklehead44 said:I know! How on earth did Arizona negotiate that. “Well we are giving you one of the worst contracts in the league and a player who will only agree to go to two markets… can you throw in a 2nd as well? Oh and before you go might as well give us a 7th”
If we moved Miller for a top 10
Pick, 2nd, & 7th I’d be over the moon and he is infinitely better than OEL
You can thank the Sedin's for convincing Benning to include the 2nd that Arizona asked for.
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Quinn Hughes is my favorite player in the NHL, and probably my favorite Canuck of all time. I really hate to bring this up, but it has been nagging at me (and I'm sure others) ever since Luke got drafted by NJ.
Does anyone see any chance that he will stay with the Canucks beyond his current contract? I am not questioning Hughes' loyalty to the Canucks, but the simple logic of the circumstances makes it seem quite unlikely. I mean, to get the chance to lift the Cup with your two brothers - how many people in the history of the NHL have even been able to entertain such a thought? Wouldn't he naturally want to maximize the number of seasons over which they get to do that?
If you think it is unlikely that he stays beyond the current contract, at what point do we need to start thinking about moving him? If we wait too long, the list of interested teams not named NJ may start to dwindle, as would his value (simply given the likelihood of him having at least some desire to join his brothers in NJ if given the chance).
Again, Hughes is my favorite player and I'd be heartbroken to see him leave. I'm not trying to fan flames here. I'm genuinely curious how you think this will all shake out.