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24 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
I think he's getting some bad advice from his agent.
Agents always try to max value, that’s their job as their clients representation. And the higher the contract the more they make so it’s a win win for them. Seldom do you see an agent say think long term as they also know a player’s career could be over tomorrow, they want to set them up. I get it, it’s unfortunate but that’s the system.
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8 minutes ago, canuck2288 said:
Exactly
The guy kind of walked into that one
I have pulled for Jake since he arrived. I maddens me to see him just seem to not care.
So many players with way less natural talent than Jake work 10 times harder...wish Jake would work 2 times harder
Often happens with athletes. Those with natural gifts often rest on them and never learn to compete harder because they haven’t had to growing up, they were just that much better physically. It’s also a reason why their game sense often doesn’t develop as well.
Counter to that, athletes that aren’t as physically gifted learn that training, out competing, and drive can level the playing field (aka Beiga, Stecher, etc) and they also develop their game sense more because in order to compete, they often have to out think their opponents (because they are not going to compete based on their physical ability, whether that’s size, speed, or strength, or combination.)
The truly great players have not only the physical ability but the drive to get better and develop their game sense as well. Ie Crosby, McKinnon, Petey, even Bo.
Jake is not at the level of Petey and Bo but if he had their drive, there’s no doubt in my mind he could be as effective as a player like Jake Debrusk for instance. I just hope he decides he wants it enough before his rope is gone here.
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13 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
So...how'd the unheralded guys do? Focht? the PTOs, the call ups? Does it look like a good crop possibly heading to Utica?
How are our prospects looking?
Utica should be pretty good just based on our depth. Comments below are from others posts here.
Gaudette will be sent down until we move someone like Sutter or there’s an injury, which will be best for his game as he’ll likely be our 1C down there. Hopefully that helps a player like Lind as well. Some said Lind looked quick and was working hard.
Juolevi same as Gaudette. Apparently he looks solid just needs some time (Obvious reasons), but positive to hear that he’s looking like the quality we hoped.
A few said Mckewan, Chatfield looked good as well.
Gadj apparently looked a step behind and it seems unless he deals with this skating (maybe drop some weight) he’s going to be in tough to make this level.
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14 minutes ago, Per Her Son said:
It's definitely an assumption of yours, that much is true.
So he’s sluggish and was told to play with AHLers because he’s lighter and being lighter somehow slowed him down and made him winded faster? Huh?
Your ability to carry your body weight gets easier as you get lighter. Any athlete who drops 10-15 lbs can feel instantly faster, quicker and has a lot more stamina as his muscles don’t have to carry as much weight , I would think anyone who uses logic would figure this out.
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9 minutes ago, Per Her Son said:
Or maybe they had some extreme weight targets they wanted him to hit while maintaining a low body fat percentage. This can be extremely difficult to do and aligns with him stating that he was so close and would also explain why he would be more tired than usual, playing at a heavier weight.
Boxers struggle to make weight all the time.
I’m pretty sure given being too heavy and stamina have been issues for Jake in the past, having more weight was not their goal. That’s just common sense. In reality it’s not even about weight it’s about where it’s carried and stamina. Jake’s issue has always been stamina and weight in the wrong areas. I think it’s a safe assumption they would want him to improve there not gain weight.
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Just now, Warhippy said:
Hit pass fight pass shoot pass score celebrate
Has that somehow changed over the summer?
You can say he "obviously wasn't ready for camp" but judging by his effort today he was and is just fine.
If there's an issue there's an issue but after seeing his effort today vs the whinging over the last 36 hours I'd say the issue is in the comments section not on the ice
I’ll trust how Green reacts (as he did) and how he deploys him. That will tell us all. Jake’s not doing himself any favours and he’s not going to breakout by being in the doghouse day one. It’s unprofessional plain and simple.
Yep they still skate shoot and score, but you have to have the stamina to stay out for 45 seconds and go hard for the full game and the whole season. If everyone else is training like fiends what happens? You leave the ice after 25 seconds, remember that Jake? I don’t think we need that Jake back
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1 minute ago, Knucklehd said:
If he scores 20 goals this year, which is possible, then I think everyone will forget about his lack of fitness to start training camp...much like it is accepted that Byfuglien is notoriously over weight coming into camp.
I agree but Buff or even Kessel have proven they can still deliver. I don’t think you can compare Jake to either of those players give their elite status From very early in their careers.
And to to be honest, I still think those guys are an embarrassment. You’re a pro athlete, be in the best shape you can be in, and you’ll be the best you can be.
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22 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
Some of my favourite Canucks were alcoholic chain smokers and will always be hall of fame players. The Rocket smoked half a pack a game between periods. Byfuglien eats almost 8,000 calories a day in the off season by his own words.
Come on man...being a bit out of it come training camp is nothing to whine about. Wellfed looked like Jake did 2 years ago mid season.
We need to stop making something out of nothing because no matter what he looked like yesterday he looks entirely better today
Sure dude, but the game has changed and so have expectations of teammates and the team. Players are training harder, eating smarter and “year round pros” now. The days of Lafleur smoking in the room between periods, Krutov and his Hot Dogs are over.
There’s a reason for that expectation, because camp is shorter, competition is stronger, and games are faster and harder.
Look, it’s obvious he wasn’t ready for camp. He should have been one of the fittest given his history, his competition and to simply show he’s learned to be a pro. He disappointed the coach, his teammates and fans. Hopefully this is the last time, because if he does it again, he’ll be traded I’m sure of that .
i don’t want that, because I want him to “get it” here. But I’m also not going to ignore the issue and pretend it’s not real like many here.
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11 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:
You based it off interviews, that said nothing to support your claim.....
out of jakes draft I'm okay with him... Better then Bennett or dal cole...... Didn't want soft nylander......
maybe next summer cap(bo) will take him under his wing or ferland.....
I think you need a time out or maybe a nap.....
It could have been that he skipped media.....you don't know. Also it's practice/ training camp.
It’s actually about commitment. And if you think Jake has the level of talent in hockey relative to Iverson in basketball I’m not sure what you’re watching. And if you know anything about that video, Iverson as great as he was, was raked over the coals for suggesting he was too good to practice. That’s your defense? Jake’s so good he doesn’t need to be in shape? Lol
it seems that you believe it’s ok for Jake to be not be prepared for camp because it’s preseason and he’s so good. Tell that to two hall of famers who’s numbers will be retired this season who were consistently the fittest on the Canucks until they retired, to Bo, Petey, Crosby, McKinnon - I’m sure since they are so much better than Jake they should just come into camp not ready too right? They are some of the fittest and best hockey players to play the game, now and in the past. Why? Why do they care about fitness? Just to beat a test? Or maybe it matters for pro athletes to be in the best shape they can be in?
Dude your comments are complete nonsense.
Take care.
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4 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:
I find it puzzling why Jake would duck fans and not sign autographs on back to back days when every other player is willing to do that. If this isn't an acceptable time for him to do that for the fans...I dont know when is. This is a low pressure time, it is the start of camp, not like its the stretch drive for a playoff run or something...
A pro athlete has to be professional on and off the ice. If fans didnt pay to go watch the games athletes would make less $. If he doesn't like the pressure of playing here then he needs to go have a talk with JB if he isn't willing to put in the work or be graceful towards the fans and spend a small amount of time signing autographs.
I agree but he’s probably really embarrassed (which I hope he is and that’s a good thing). I’m sure he also realized how much competition there is and he sees guys like Beagle, Petey, Bo showing up the way they did and maybe the team peer pressure finally hit him. Maybe he’s also realizing he let his teammates down and is losing their respect, they want a player to be his best for the team as well, they want to win. That pressure is probably the best way to force it out of him. This is why vets like the twins and Burr, Beagle, Edler matter. This is why Edmonton busts players, that internal pressure can make players get in line.
Let’s hope he learned from this and it sticks. Sad for some fans to not have the chance but he’s done a lot in the community in general.
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I think Jake’s family is on here and very angry!
Funny how defensive people are about him when it’s reality he didn’t come to camp in shape.
As a kid who was 6th overall, was “starting to get it”, and needed to show it had sunk in by training hard in the offseason (especially given the competition for top 6 spots now, and that it’s a contract year), to defend coming into camp out of shape by trying to argue “well they didn’t say it”, is absurd. I guess common sense is not all that common.
Wouldn’t it have been nice if he had trained like Bo, Petey, Beagle, came into camp lean, looking like he put in the work, so much so Green was complimenting him and putting him with Petey as a reward? Isn’t that what he should have tried to accomplish? Instead he’s out with minor leaguers first day as punishment, that’s not because he overslept, it’s not because he didn’t watch enough Netflix movies Green wanted him to watch in the offseason. Grab a brain and a dose of reality.
Instead people try to pretend they the issue we know is the issue, is not the issue. Maybe Green didn’t elaborate too much because he knows the Vancouver media well enough and doesn’t want to make a bigger stink than needed (aka keep it in house) which is being a good coach. A professional athlete’s offseason goals are fitness related, that’s reality. They test for them day 1. Day 1 it comes out he didn’t meet his goals (he stated it himself). The logic is blatant for anyone willing to accept it.
Again, the ONLY offseason goal that a coach has for a player that are tested for on the first day are fitness related, and that’s when this came out. Be silly and put your head in the sand as you please, most rational people know what 2+2 equals.
And PS I hoped Jake would be the guy to be on Petey’s wing, he’s got all the tools but he’s clearly not maturing as a professional.
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20 hours ago, coolboarder said:
If Boeser had an injury woes in last two years and I am not satisfied that he is even worth $42 million offered by Benning. if Boeser wants 4 years and that would put him one year before his UFA and he then can dictate his demands if he is proven player for the Canucks in 4 years but for 7 years is too much of a risk. What if he flopped and we'd be stuck with him? I mean, this team, overall, is not even good to begin with and Boeser is a part of that issue as well. He is not a great skater but has a very elite wrist shots but opponents has figured him out and he struggled last season but still post a respectable number. Best to offer him short-term contract with understanding that if he posts an elite number, then he would be offered much better contract than 42 million dollars if I were Benning.
I agree, four years is best but my guess his agent wants the Timo Meir special with the big payday in the last year to make the qualifying offer stupid. If it’s 4 years flat at an aav of 6.5 that’s fine and let him prove he’s worth the big raise down the road. That’s 4 years with Petey, if he believes in himself he should take that in a second.
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10 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said:
Those posters making up narratives won't get it no matter how you spell it out for them. They obviously are not detailed oriented persons. They read something and their minds automatically jump to a conclusion that was not stated, and then they stick with it no matter how silly they look.
Oh well. I completely agree with you but you could never convince them. Hell, if Green and Jake both came out and said the issue was that Jake missed the media gig those posters would probably just say they are covering for the real problem which was conditioning.
Is the media gig = “not meeting offseason expectations”? Dude why can’t you people accept that he came to camp out of shape? Does that mean 245 lbs? No, but it means he didn’t commit as he should have in the offseason and as a fan, I for one hoped he had grown up enough to take it seriously like Bo and Petey. He didn’t.
It seems those who like Jake think he can’t be criticized, and I like Jake and have since day one and have supported him against a lot of those who bashed him. However I also have common sense and call a spade a spade, and anyone with common sense can infer the issue and see he’s deserving of criticism. It’s quite obvious if you take the blinders off.
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3 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:
So they wanted him bigger if he didn't eat enough wings....
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1 minute ago, RowdyCanuck said:
So shouldn't he be bigger if he didn't eat enough....sounds like they wanted him heavier.....if what you say is true
Lol wut? Omg
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2 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:
You act like you know for a fact it's his fitness.....are you the water boy? Maybe you know something the rest of us don't.....
Go read my post about chicken wings. That’s actually the goal he missed. Green expected him to be able to eat more chicken wings in one sitting as that’s a typical offseason goal for a pro hockey player
laughable man, your denial is laughable
are you related to him? Sure seems like it lol
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2 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:
Awe but you were talking about his fitness.....I couldnt resist.....
I should grow up?....but you can run down a young man that is probably in better shape then most of us on cdc.....so maybe take a step back and let camp finish or atleast get to game time before you lynch the guy.....
He’s a pro athlete he should be in better shape than anyone in CDC, that’s what he’s paid for isn’t it?
Isn’t it his job to COME TO CAMP in shape? This isn’t the 70s when guys smoked in the dressing room and ate hot dogs between periods buddy. Expectations are different
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Just now, Rick_theRyper said:
You do realize a lot of guys work their way up the lines right? The fact that Bertuzzi was almost given up on before he exploded into the nhl.
Failing to meet lofty expectations from the club, Gillies once said of Bertuzzi, "If you're built like a freight train, you can't drive around like a Volkswagen."[
His future coach with the Vancouver Canucks, Marc Crawford, passed on Bertuzzi during the draft while he was general manager of the Cornwall Royals; he has recalled not selecting him due to "maturity issues" and that he was "a big kid who hadn't grown into his body yet."[
Sound familiar?
I like Jake fan boi so settle down. It doesn’t mean the criticism of him 4 years into his career coming to camp again out of shape when he should have learned, is unwarranted. He’s a grown man now not an 18 yr old rookie who doesn’t know better or know what the expectations are. You can pretend it’s acceptable, I don’t agree, nor did Green apparently.
PS he’s no Bertuzzi or Cam Neely. Doesn’t have the hands of Bert nor the hands and drive of Neely. Can he be a 25 goal player, sure but not by coming to camp out of shape. And his rope is getting to the point of being gone with this franchise soon if he doesn’t get it soon
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6 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:
I'm curious. What did he do in the off season? Got pics? I'd love to see them.
How would I have pics?
Must be the ol suicide chicken wing eating offseason goal Jake failed! Yep that’s it!
Green set a goal for Jake to be able to eat 45 suicide wings in one sitting. Sadly, right after fitness testing Jake informed Green that he only could manage 41 in one sitting, and as such, barely missed his goal.
He was very disappointed as he missed his goal by 4 wings, and its expected of all pro athletes in the offseason to learn to manage 45 suicide wings. This is an imperative part of being a professional hockey player, fitness doesn’t matter really, wings do!
As such, Green wanted to send him a message about his offseason goals. He must reach them and exceed them if he wants to be an NHL player, as wings will determine how successful he is on the ice. Its just a coincidence that the issue arose after fitness testing as pro athletes offseason goals have nothing to actually do with fitness.
Are you for real?
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2 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:
That part was said by the report not green or Jake. Someone needs to stay in school
So what offseason goals are they referring to? NHL 19 wins, fishing derby caught fish, how many slices of Pizza Hut in one sitting, how many green skittles in a bag? What offseason goals could it be for a pro athlete that were not met and reported right after fitness testing? Hmm I wonder? Must have been the ol skittles goal! You’re right!
Smh
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2 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:
How so? You act like you know for a fact....but your full of b.s.....
im pointing there could many of things but none of us know, so don't talk like your speaking facts .....cause you don't know.....
Ok bro. Maybe some of us use common sense. You got a bromance going i get it. You do you
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4 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:
Don't know if this was already posted. Wow Quinn just worked Jake.
Danced like a fat beer leaguer
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2 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said:
What? That's a fact.... Read it.
His conditioning, it would seem, is an issue.
“I think he’s a big part of our team. He’s a big part of my future, so I don’t want people to start reading anything other than he wasn’t in the groups today,” Green said.
green didn't say the top part the reporter did.....so your reaching....just like the reporter cause none of us know....
Denial lol wow
err quote “his conditioning, it would seem, is an issue”
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1 minute ago, Per Her Son said:
So he set some tough goals and just about achieved them, sounds like improvement.
You guys are ridiculous, no wonder Kesler left.
Is that why green sent him a message first day? Because he improved? Really?
PS Kesler was one of the fittest Canucks and left because we were entering a rebuild and he wanted a chance at a cup.
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