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On 6/20/2023 at 6:56 PM, Crabcakes said:
What does Hanefin want when he renews in a year? $4.95M next year and then what? The moon!
I'd rather pick up a couple of supporting defenders who could fit into the top 4 at $3M or so
Didn't we just go through this bc we had too many 5-8 million dollar players results g in trading Horvat
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I believe this is one year early. If you pick up a 2ld &3c, e040 & hronkic raises
paid by myers off the books next year ,we are back in cap hell the following year. Impatience, the hallmark of the canucks.
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Why draft ASP when we have Rathbone?
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On 6/5/2023 at 8:31 AM, Brock BOeser said:
The flow will take care of this and he’ll snipe 25+
Too slow a skater
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On 3/16/2023 at 11:36 PM, DownUndaCanuck said:
Would CBJ take our 1st straight up for Peeke? How about NYR for Schneider?
Otherwise, do we trade down to St Louis for their late firsts? A 7-9th overall surely equals two mid 20 overall picks.
If we don't have a decent center (Dvorsky, Benson, Smith, even Yager) or Reinbacher at our pick then I'd be happy to trade for a young RD or the two late picks and take a couple of defencemen who may turn out ok like Dragicevic, Bonk, Strbak, maybe Gulyayev if he's still there.
This will only exasperates the damage to cap space which Hronek trade did. In 1-2 yrs need contract detentions with little cap space available. What do you do then?
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2 hours ago, The Lock said:
At first I thought this was a boycott the Canucks entirely thread, but it's not even that? So you want us to not buy playoff tickets unless if they get the President's cup as if that has anything to do with getting a Stanley cup? Did I read that right?
Either this is some of the dumbest logic I've read on this forum or it's way too early in the morning for this for me...
The context was the loss of an opportunity to move from the middle tier to the upper tier. I'm the middle tier there is a lower chance of drafting elite 1st round talent and should you make the p!ayoff, you are basically 1st round cannon fodder. In my life I had the excitement of 82,94 and 11. I wish that for all to experience more than once.
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The owner and management has again traded off the future for playoff dates,not even this year. I'm 76, my opportunity to see the Stanley Cup win by canucks in my lifetime went to slim or none. My only response that I can control is economic therefore I shall not buy a playoff ticket unless they win the presidents cup first.
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3 hours ago, MeanSeanBean said:
Correct me if I'm but I don't think he has any experience at the pro level playing center. He hasn't even been able to establish himself as a winger, what leads you to believe he will excell in a more difficult position?
Size,skating ability,passing ability, some experience at WJT. Why not see if a highly skilled player can be developed by Henrick?
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I liked the canucks play in the last 4 games . We still need a 2C + 2&3D. Can Kravtsov be turned into 2C like Trevor Linden was? From what I have read, he seems to have the attributes, needing face-off skill development. We have Henrick Sedin for a teacher.
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I voted Miller, since I feel the team can't have only ep40 as only high-end center.
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21 hours ago, DSVII said:
I expect them to.
Look I get you have a massive axe to grind with JR and what happened with Bruce is shitty. But this is purely emotional, I'm not at the point where I'm attacking his character on something that hasn't happened.
He has been in control for 1yr, nothing positive.
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On 1/23/2023 at 7:17 AM, jyu said:
Nice sig! That's when a ref refused to blow the whistle and Demko had to make some spectacular saves? Did you create that yourself?
Yeah, I mean Arizona plays in a college rink and Panthers and some of the US teams have to give tickets away for free and get subsidies or profit sharing or whatever to get by.
This team has knowledgeable and loyal fan base and the way we sent Bruce off, I'm not really ashamed to be a fan of the Canucks.
The rookie management has been annoying to say the least in the way they handle the media and all that but I think they are starting to get it as JR said in the presser, he's going to zip it and say no more. Allvin is very good at saying nothing by saying a lot and while that is annoying, it may be what this market needs: a boring GM.
How about a Gm that can assess the team and draft ,sign defense rather than undersized wingers. Last summer mistakes are this season's CAN which BB had to carry.
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13 hours ago, Curmudgeon said:
Your passion and frustration are clearly evident, and with good reasons that you have described well. What was packaged to we fans was a superstar front office, with not only a GM but three assistants, none of who are allowed to speak on the record. Allvin seems to be a marionette and never says anything that hasn't been thoroughly vetted by the club PR people. Rutherford appears to use the "management by walking around" model and there are way too many cooks in the kitchen. I have been around enough bureaucracy in my life and career that my spidey senses were alarmed when this whole thing started. While it sounds great to have several points of view and skill sets, what often happens is paralysis by analysis and nothing gets done. After all is said and done, there is always far more said than done. Now, Allvin has made some decent moves but, as so many have remarked, changing the bottom six forwards and bottom pairing defence doesn't move the needle.
I don't know if the Aquilinis have similar problems in their other businesses, but if they ran their other empire like they run the Canucks they'd be broke. Their search for effective management and coaching has been one disaster after another. (IMHO Gillis was the only smart hire they ever made, and I am aware that thousands of you hate the guy with a passion) Our old friend Alf mentions every other day or so that the owner is pulling the strings. Well, if he is, he's not doing a very good job at all. I mean, who hires a coach before hiring a President AND a GM?
But try to imagine being Francesco, a guy who wants nothing more than to win a Stanley Cup but has no clue how to hire the right people to do the job. I know I am on a bit of a rant here, but those who know what I write will also know that I have been generally supportive of management because it is such a difficult job, and having been in a position of authority for longer than I care to remember, I know that no matter how diligent you are, and how committed you are, and how effective you are, there will always be those that hate you for no other reason than being in a position of authority consists of having a big fat target on your chest every fricking day. So I have always been sympathetic to management and coaching, but I'm done with loyal support. I think that Rutherford's depth of experience and track record should translate into a winning team. It has not, so he has to go. I don't know too many septugenarians who have been able to follow a bad year with a good one, so I don't believe Rutherford can turn the ship around before it sinks out of sight. Sorry, Jim, but your time is past and please leave before you compound the problems by hiring Rick Tocchet.
We are in a period of insanity since the firing of Linden, doing the same policy over and over to get a different result.
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22 hours ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:
I am just beside myself at the fact this organization/franchise is going to continue on and just sign the players that are part of this horrible team. Sign Horvat, sign Kuzmenko but it does nothing to change the fact this team is just not a cohesive unit. They are just ignoring everything and pretending they are better than they are even though it's been obvious through the last few seasons they aren't a good team. Such a stubborn ownership and they deserve what they are going to get. Dhaliwhal talking about Dumba, Provorov etc. Am
I missing something? Can anyone explain this line of thinking. No one else around the league gets it either. I truly believe Francesco is insane and could care less about the future. Such a depressing ownership group. Out of touch with fans. I am sorry this is the sort of stuff that makes me frustrated and I did use to really enjoy watching them but I can't believe how persistent this ownership is and the fact they will never accept they aren't close. Money drives them and it's just stupid. Dhaliwal saying they truly believe they can turn it around. After everything they have seen and they are just sticking to their guns. Wow! Smart. How can you afford to do anything else if you sign Bo and Kuzmenko? They can't. Then we just have what we have now.
I have been a canuck fan since 1958. Since we have been in nhl, we have mostly done this. We have trade young prospects for 2nd level player to maintain our middling position in the draft.
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I was thinking along these lines, but after seeing Monday's game, I have changed too ep40 must be kept but Hovat, Miller are tradeable. The Miller contract has destroyed the spirit of last year. We are now offence for money, not 2way for the team.
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In my previous post, I stated in my opinion management priorities were.mis placed and they tried to blame the coach this fall. After watching this past game, I'm convince that the Miller contract set the tone for this year's team. YOU ARE REWARD
FOR PLAYING A ONE-WAY GAME
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On 11/28/2022 at 10:27 AM, nuckin_futz said:
An entire rebuild of the team isn't needed. But an entire rebuild of the defence is. Trade some higher end forward pieces including Horvat if needed to do a major upgrade of the defence.
No idea what to do about the inconsistency though.
This was mismanagement last summer. Hovat would have been resigned last summer,not for his increased scoring ability, but need of high quality 2C.
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On 11/28/2022 at 10:14 AM, stawns said:
They don't really have a choice. Big moves, one way or another, have to be made. They're not just letting Horvat and Kuz walk.
This team needs cap space. Would like too keep these players, but can't with cap space.
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1 minute ago, CanucksJay said:
Well to be honest I'm glad this happened. This team is what it is.
Anyone who believes this team can get it done probably doesn't exist anymore. All we can hope for now is that the players keep scoring goals and pad their stats so we can unload them before the deadline.
I started to fast forward the game after the 3rd LV goal. The results were written.
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How many goal were a result of Tyler myers mistakenly checking? We would be better off with him at abbey!
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My last straw is Jim constant belittling of Bruce. Bruce produced last spring, but Jim screw up the summer - did not improve defence, did not resign Horvat, signed Miller and eliminated cap space. Also overvalued miller trade value.
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On 11/6/2022 at 9:11 AM, Kelly Green said:
Coming to this conclusion as well.
Sad but true.
Been waiting for this since he hired Tortorella.
Canucks have more than half of a playoff team already built, blowing it all up now would be completely insane imo.Move out everyone older than Horvat for whatever you can get and quit looking for band-aid solutions like Stillman, Dries, Studnika et. This is looking like the Pouliot experiment all over again.
IMO, we have no cap space for partial rebuid. Must be systematic.
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I think that the discussion of BPA vs position has destroyed this team. By picking forwards (bpa) we have a good group but a poor group of defence. The argument was to trade. How is that working?
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On 7/21/2022 at 9:17 AM, kloubek said:
I know the cupboards are pretty bare by this point, but the way I see it this way. Management has 2 roads they can go down right now.
Road 1 dictates we do what we can to win now. This means dipping into those bare cupboards even more, and giving up some futures in order to open our window starting with the 22-23 season.
Road 2 says that we don't actually go all-in yet. Instead, we allow draft the younger guys to finish developing, and collect picks and prospects for a couple of years and THEN make the necessary changes after we have more chips to play with. Here, we vie for the cup in 2-3 years.
Personally, I prefer road 1. I think once we fix up the D a bit this team is as good as most others, and save for Colorado, and *perhaps* the Blues, I believe we could be the best team in the West. I feel the progression of our younger players DURING the next two seasons is what will push us over the edge to be a true contender. But I don't think we have to wait to do this. Yes, prospects are important for replenishment purposes, but we don't NEED to add any prospects to this team right now. We're already set. And it's for THIS reason that I want to see us contend now sooner than later. Then by the time we actually do need the replenishment in 2-4 years time, hopefully we will have drafted well enough to make that possible.
I think more than anything I'm just sick of the rebuild. It's been going on a long time, and I just want to see us win. And I believe we can do that now instead of waiting.
This is what we have been doing in the benning era, the results are continual 2nd division status. Let's build the talent pool for 2 more years and have depth to be a 1st division team like 2004- 2012
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