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    11th overall pick in the 2023 Entry Draft

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    1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:

    We can’t even sign Luke Schenn until we free up some cap space. So are you proposing we do nothing this summer? 

    We'll have about 3-4mil of space with LTIR apparently.

     

    But yes, it would be a dream if we did absolutely nothing until late in the summer, and only do some bargain bin shopping. 

     

    The credit card is maxxed out. It's time to line up at the dollar general. Shopping at whole foods is off the table.

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    11th overall pick in the 2023 Entry Draft

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    2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

    A team that has essentially been drafting top 10 since about 2013/2014 that has some of the lowest prospect depth in the league as well as having drafted the lowest number of players in the league in comparison to other teams who have drafted comparably at their positions over the same amount of time CAN NOT be continually giving away 1st and 2nd round picks and pretending that somehow someway they can bargain bin their way in to quality depth.

     

    it doesn't happen.

     

    The end result is EXACTLY what we've seen.  Trading away high value picks to move cap space because we signed an overpriced contract in free agency; then using remaining picks or prospects hoping to find a star that just needed a change of scenery and when that doesn't happen we then trade away high value picks to another team that knows what we need and can bend us over for it.

     

    Something has to change

    It's pretty insane. The team is run as if they have been a perennial playoff team over the last decade and just needs that one or two extra players to get us to the cup finals. When in reality, if they had just leaned into being bad and been patient, we'd likely actually have assets and cap space right now, and actually have options to maneuver the current NHL landscape. 

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    11th overall pick in the 2023 Entry Draft

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    1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:

    No, we would be signing more quality UFA’s who can help us win a cup. Or we can free up the cap space to make another major trade similar to the Hronek deal. 

    UFAs = bloated contracts. We might find another schenn like gem, but we don't need a ton of cap space for bargain hunting like that. Wasteful to give up premium assets to move point producers, to try to sign new UFAs.

     

    We don't have assets to make another Hronek trade, unless you're talking about trading more 1sts and 2nds over the next couple drafts. Constantly trading 1st and 2nds is a great example of how to wreck your franchise. See: Canucks now.

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    11th overall pick in the 2023 Entry Draft

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    19 hours ago, Pure961089 said:

    Why are the Canucks always the team treading water they never seem to make the patient move.  It's always impatients and knee jerk reactions. For once I'd like the Canucks to be the smart team that held onto their pick and drafted a star player.  There's the saying  "there's always one GM stupid enough...". For once it would be nice for our GM not to be that GM.  Trading down and out of a tier of talent just to get a 2nd rounder. The Canucks always seem to be the team that helps other teams succeed while we forever flounder.  Let other teams buy high and sell low, let us for once be the smart team that with patience buys low and sells high.  Wait for Boeser to score 30 goals next season then trade him.  

    Seems like it's because the owner will only hire managers who tell him "just a couple years to right the ship"

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    [Discussion] Draft and Off Season Talk

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    6 hours ago, kloubek said:

    So what would it take to snatch Bedard from Chicago?

     

    He's NHL ready, and Chicago isn't going to be competing for any cup any time soon. Seems to me they are still in asset acquiring mode, and will be for a couple of years.

     

    I propose:
    To Vancouver: 1 OA
    To Chicago: 11 OA, Beauvillier, Raty, Rathbone, 2024 1st, 2025 2nd

     

    Do you guys think something like that package could get it done? I almost think it's overpayment, but then, we're talking Bedard here.

     

    Kuz Pettersson Mikheyev
    Garland Miller Boeser

    PDG/Dries Bedard Hoglander

    Podz Studnika Joshua

    Try adding a few more 1sts and maybe they'll hang up politely instead of laughing you off the trade call.

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    11th overall pick in the 2023 Entry Draft

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    17 hours ago, 24K PureCool said:

    You mean the same genius that put the team over the cap next year and are now finding out it will take the 11th to just move off freaking Garland? 

    It's simple math: trade high picks to get rid of big contracts so we can sign new players to big contracts. 

     

    Step 3: profit. 

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    Is anyone going to flounce from hockey because of this?

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    Not sure. I know next season will be a fresh start and I'll be cheering for canucks to win, unless they pull the same crap they've been pulling at the start of the season for a 3rd year in a row... then I'll be cheering for Tanklin Celebrini.

     

    But I do know I came about as close to not caring as I've ever been with the Canucks this season, and I'm having a lot of fun watching other teams in the playoffs... which is really sad to me.

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    [Discussion] Draft and Off Season Talk

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    22 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

    You don’t understand how tv markets work do you?

     

    Putting a star in Columbus or Anaheim would have a fraction of the impact putting him in a large market original 6 team.

     

    Not that hard to see this is great for the NHL‘s brand.

    I'm with you on the logic behind it. But are the owners in on it? If not, wouldn't at least some of them pay for some secret investigation? A lot of money on the line... you'd think unless all 30 were in on it, something would have been exposed...

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    Not a good recipe, it's just not, this team is destined for more failure.

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    On 5/4/2023 at 4:47 PM, Canucklehead73 said:

    Think it's a mistake to assume draft capital simply translates into nhl players in the future. It's way to easy to say if we had those picks we would have this many NHL players. 

     

    This only works if you have great scouting staff and a solid development system, then you can and should horde your draft picks and gain trade capital as your prospects push their way into your NHL roster.

     

    In my opinion if you trade picks for an NHL player it's really no different than one of your picks developing into an NHL player. 

     

    Both are gambles but if either scenario nets you a NHL player that's a win.

     

    Personally I lean towards a draft, develop and trade system but JR is looking to shore up the supporting cast quickly and that means trading what capital he has... 

     

    That's why building teams need as many picks as they can get... and need to commit hard to player development. 

     

    Looking at the playoff teams right now in the 2nd round 

     

    Carolina has 10 players on their roster they drafted and developed, including key core members like Aho, Necas, Pence, Jarvis, and Kochetkov 

     

    New Jersey has 13 players on their roster they drafted and developed, including core members like Hughes x2s, Hischier, Bratt, Severson, Marcer, and Bastian, among others 

     

    Florida only has 4 players they drafted and developed, but those include Barkov, Ekblad, Verhaeghe, and Lundell, and they utilized two players they drafted - Weegar and Huberdeau - to acquire a unicorn player in Tkachuk 

     

    Toronto has 8 players they drafted and developed and those are mainly their core; Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Reilly. Knies looks pretty solid and Liljegren has potential, and they brought back Schenn. 

     

    Dallas has 10 players they drafted and developed. Again, key core players like Oettinger, Robertson, Benning, Heiskanen, and Hintz, among others. They also used their drafted players like Eriksson, Morrow and Smith to acquire Seguin.

     

    Seattle only has one player they drafted, Beniers, so I'll call them the outlier with an obvious reason: expansion team.

     

    Vegas has 9 players they drafted and developed, and are another outlier...but, again, expansion team. And they used a player they drafted, Krebs, as a key part of the Eichel deal along with Tuck.

     

    Finally Edmonton, a whopping 15 players drafted and developed, including McDavid, Draisatl, Nugent Hopkins, Nurse, Skinner, and Yamamoto, among others.

     

     

    Not every draft pick is going to hit, but drafting and development is clearly the most likely way to build a consistent winner. Simply trading for players and signing free agents constantly seems significantly more difficult. It's like buying something used, maybe it's refurbished, maybe it'll work out amazing, but its a heck of a lot better to draft and develop an army of players, and then use those assets to acquire top tier players like Eichel when those situations arise. 

     

     

    Canucks have 7 players drafted and developed on the roster. Out of this, Petey, Hughes, and Demko are out key players. Boeser is on the bubble and could get his game back next year. Podz is a maybe with a lot of potential. We need more of these guys, we need more draft picks. We need an army.

     

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