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11 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:
BC was 10 cases per day ( approx ) before summer. Now we are 100 per day. ( approx ) .
By my bad math that is 1000 % increase.
What does your math say about it ?
why do you think the numbers have jumped?
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1 minute ago, Petey40 said:
I mean high school students definitely have very similar social lives as university students so that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, high school kids are constantly drinking/partying or going out with their friends and usually in large groups as well. They also tend to have part time jobs a lot of the time, the only real difference between a high school student and college student is the ability to go to a pub..
Perhaps, definitely not the case here in Asia - high school here is quite different. Kids don't go out partying. But then you would look at the data in Euro and again the school data doesn't suggest major transmission at the high school level. My friend his son has started uni in Prague face to face. They are like BC at the moment with numbers rising but he is still at uni.
I get your point. The difference between senior high school and uni in terms of social activities can be quite similar. It was for me.
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4 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:
You live in a country with 0. % covid transmission rate increases
I live in a province with a 1000 % covid transmission rate increase.
Your failure to have empathy / understand what we are going through in BC , says. alot about the person you are.
Can you provide the site where you got this 1000% number from? Or is it your math?
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11 minutes ago, Petey40 said:
The colleges and universities in the US are having tons of outbreaks and cases, but I think you guys are more talking about elementary and high schools? So maybe that’s not really relevant.
Yes, not universities. Last week they had the Minister of Education on TV here talking about uni's. What he said is that the issue with uni's is the 19 plus year olds have social lives that involve activities and places that are the chief spreaders. Working part-time in a bar, drinking with friends and so forth. Of course it is spreading amongst them now because of the lock down in the spring.
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Just now, kingofsurrey said:
1000 % growth rate in BC - you are simply completely out of touch with this province. How long you lived in Japan now ? Do you ever come back to BC to visit ?
Was there in the summer. Weekly flights from Tokyo.
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1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said:
udnHow do i say this in a nice way.... hmmmm
I think most people here actually care more about Covid transmission rates here in. BC. more than covid rates in Japan where you live.
Can you wrap your head around that for a moment ?
Covid rates in BC are up 1000 % over the last few months . Are you good at Math ? Do you realize what this means to us in BC ?
BC Parents are rightfully worried. BC Parents love their kids and want them safe - all day - SAFE everyday at school.
BC students and BC school workers deserve to be safe at all times in schools.... not chucked into some random experiment by Dr. B based on a hunch she had 3 months ago.
No masks, no social distancing. 30 kids in a poorly ventilated portable classroom all day is not following the SCIENCE of how this COVID virus spreads...
For you to fail to understand this is more a reflection of who you are as a person. I could care less what you think of me. I see you exactly for who / what you are.
The stats and evidence around the world don't support your fear mongering. it is that simple.
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12 minutes ago, Petey40 said:
Isn’t the US school system having major transmission as we speak?
It depends where you look. I looked at reported data last week from infections in Georgia and Texas which are two states that have reported high infections population wide. Again what I saw was a person here or there. I did see one case of 33 in Georgia but it applied to a whole district and involved employees. One of the largest groups from this group of 33 were janitors. My guess is they were required to test.
I have seen probably like many the stories of some universities in the States. Dorm life and gatherings (partying) are two major causes. Universities here are officially online but professors can offer face to face if they choose. Students can opt out though. At my university students have been taking classes since mid July. In this period and until about 2 weeks ago we were kind of like BC and most of the world now - our infection cases exploded.
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4 minutes ago, towtruck said:
Sweden. We don't even have to even wonder about it. It's a real life example. No dead kids. No dead teachers. Better mental health.
Schools in Asia have been running since mid May. In Japan you are talking about 18 million kids from primary to high school. They have the one student or teacher here or there, but even that is trivial. There has yet to be any break out at any school here. No clusters - 4 plus months now. My daughter went on a camping trip two weeks ago with her class - that is how normal things are now.
The big picture about school opening around the world is clear as day. Schools are not transmitters. The stats and evidence do not support the panic crowd on this site.
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19 minutes ago, greensman said:
I found his points to be fair and well thought out. I agree. Positive discourse is pretty rad. That’s what I come here for.
Wow - fair and well thought out. Want to buy a bridge
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30 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
So what would you call the current US model
Messed up. Trump is a clear outlier. A neo-liberal with fascist qualities. The vote for him was ironically anti-neoliberal in my view - anti-global. That is why Sanders probably could have beat him as many have suggested and polling did as well - I don't know.
The left and right are both neo-liberal just that the right disguises it better under the guise of religion and 'american values'. The left definitely like to use the courts.
I think if this had happened say under Obama and Bush that their responses would have been pretty much the same. A moderate sustained lockdown more similar to Canada then say countries like Spain or France.
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1 hour ago, Robert Long said:
this is ridiculous. This is a new virus, not a neoliberal takeover.
you don't know what I am talking about. the person I directed it to does.
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1 hour ago, Petey40 said:
Tbh I’m not that versed in politics and I haven’t ready any of Polyani, I do agree that there is a big issue with the difference in classes and the way the western civilizations are trending in that aspect. I think that’s a whole different conversation and a lot more complicated than this virus, and I don’t think people taking it seriously and trusting the health officials/scientists/epidemiologists calling for lockdowns and measures to ensure slowing the spread has anything to do with that. It could be argued that so many issues around the world are caused by the 1% and the elites pursuing their own personal agendas, I just don’t think it has anything to do with this current pandemic. That’s just my personal opinion and I could be wrong.
Some think it does though - not saying you are wrong. Peter Hitchens a well known and respected conservative in UK has argued over the past few months that the media and gov't actions have been inconsistent with western values and democracy. At minimum he points to a lack of debate on the taking away of freedoms. And the lack of consent seeking. Parliament was not used in Canada or the UK to debate positions or policy at the outset.. Another similar voice in the UK is retired Supreme Court judge Sumption. Of course both men see the Covid gov't reaction as an example of the way governing is changing in the west.
Pre-Covid, Sumption gave the Reith lectures for 2019. You can hear them on YouTube. They are quite interesting. One important point he makes is that we need to move away from the using of the law to drive policy and return back to politics. Seems fanciful at the moment.
I use the UK examples because the debate there has been less toxic and political.
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33 minutes ago, Petey40 said:
The Canadian Communist party, CCP does have a ring to it but for some reason I feel like that’s taken.. Ohwell, all us communists will come up with a good name once we take over. Can’t believe you figured out our secret
China was the first country to use a hard lock down. Critics contend that this set a precedent that many western countries were all too eager to copy.
Have you read Polyani? One of his biggest concerns is that the liberal project ( and now neoliberal) could only be sustained by authoritarianism and even fascism. The freedom of the masses would be restricted in favor of freedom of the few - it is a derogatory comment and nothing more.. When someone says communism in the west they are referring more to the elites with a leftist progressive agenda using it to advance their own interests. You see for example numerous gov't officials in the UK who were behind the hard lock down but then did not apply it to themselves. Same in NZ as well. So I think the OP is not literally talking about communism. It is a little more nuanced and complicated than that. He/she thinks we are in one party rule in the west and academics like Polyani would not disagree with this basic point - good freedoms have been traded for bad freedoms - this has been happening long before COVID.
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2 minutes ago, Cerridwen said:
Oh honey, if I wanted to troll you, trust me....I know exactly how to do it and there's not a single emoji involved. Keep swinging...
you would contact deb and ask her to ban me - yeah I know how you work.
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1 minute ago, Cerridwen said:
I'm sorry you're too lazy to go back and find out why some of us are using to 'confused' emoji in response to some posts.....for shame. And yet you feel the need to comment about it. Hmmm.
"Most of their information comes from each other or MSM" I'll put my medical training up against yours any bloody day of the week. It's a long hard fall off that high horse you're riding. Oh, but then I"ll have to bandage your ass and any injured extremities then, too....medically speaking, of course. But I s'pose I could just post your injuries here and let the thread members decide on a course of treatment....considering you seem to think that's where we all get our information.
you use it to safely troll people.
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2 minutes ago, Petey40 said:
And then a month and a half later that communist country of New Zealand used a hard lockdown. It’s all so clear to me now.
NZ isn't a communist country.
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22 minutes ago, Petey40 said:
Hahahaha communism
that’s a new one. Taking Covid-19 seriously now makes people communists. Man 2020 is hilarious
The first country to use a hard lockdown was China. I am sure you can figure the rest out.
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3 hours ago, RRypien37 said:
I'm well aware. That's my point. People who honestly believe in this being anywhere near as bad as portrayed, are brain dead in my book. I knew the average person was easily manipulated and controlled through fear. I just never realized it was this bad.
Social control is best managed through fear. Always has been.
Believe what you like. I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else. Just wanted to point out how ridiculously dumb that meme was.
All the 'confused' emoji and comments come from a small group that protect this echo chamber which is backed by the moderator. Most of their 'information' comes from each other or main stream media. With the current rise in infections they have moved from fear to anger directed at 'selfish', 'dumb', 'cowardly' people. Part of this anger will be warning you that you are next to catch it or blaming you for deaths. They actually remind me of the people they regularly mock (Trump supporters).
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49 minutes ago, RRypien37 said:
Quite possibly the dumbest post I have ever seen on this board. That is saying A LOT of how bad some of the posts on here are.
You should seriously seek help.
The poster is mocking people who believe in the Covid Hoax. You know that right? I wouldn't even classify it as garbage can humor. Just dumb.
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58 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:
Just saw this on twitter... Seems like more and more BC citizens are questionning Dr. B. / Horgans ablilities to lead us through this pandemic....
The combination of COVID19 pandemic and extremely poor wildfire air quality is deeply concerning for #bced. Teachers and students should not be in crowded classes with no ventilation or fresh air. #BCpoli, the employers, @CDCofBC and PHO need to provide advice and take action now
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seriously expecting students and teachers to sit in poorly ventilated classrooms tomorrow with the windows closed for the entire day? Show some leadership and call an unsafe conditions closure for the day. #bced #AirQuality
next it will be Covid and snow.
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2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:
Keeping bars / strip clubs open too long
Encouraging Alberta Tourism during a pandemic
Discouraging mandatory masks on public transport.
Masks and social distancing NOT required in schools
Reprimanding and over-ruling schools that choose to make masks mandatory
No supplying PPE to schools before re-opening
All are massive mistakes by our BC government
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1 hour ago, Cerridwen said:
I've explained my usage of the 'confused' emoji before. Sorry you missed it.
Did you explain it using an emoji as well?
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32 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:
Japan eliminate Covid today......?
you cannot eliminate a coronavirus you can only live with it I am sure your family can relate.
Coronavirus outbreak
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Yes, it is a bit perplexing. My analysis of her work to date is that she is very well-informed, cautious and recognizes that across the board lockdowns are not permanent solutions and do massive indirect damage. Last week they shutdown night clubs to stop the spread. That tells me they are trying to target carefully. The gov't in BC I think is handling things very competently.
I think there are multiple reasons why people are dumping on her and gov't. One being that they watch too much US TV where the media has tied any kind of opening or loosening to Trump. There are few fans of Fox news on this site and we all know what Fox thinks of lockdowns. They see that and then get distressed when BC does some easing of measures.