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I just pictured Christopher Walken as Mrs. Doubtfire... that would definitely add a different flair to the movie.
I happen to personally know EOTM and he only dresses up as Mrs Doubtfire on the weekends .. so there.
On weekends I light my boobs on fire over the stove and speak in broken sentences.
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I don't think game fixing by refs is illegal unless they are taking a cut from bookies. The NHL is entertainment. Referees in the WWE aren't breaking the law. They are entertainers.
If, however, a zebra had a deal going with a certain bookie, or anyone for that matter, and stood to make a profit from gaming/gambling/etc, that would be illegal.
In any case, I don't think the NHL is as bad as the WWE, but I have had a conversation with a NHL HoFer who told me to my face that they want certain teams to win and will use officiating to that end. DO they script the games? No. Do they help the team by letting stuff go/making phantom calls? According to him they do.
I used to be of the mind that anyone who thought there was a "conspiracy" was a tinfoil hat wearing dumba$$. And to an extent, I still think that a giant network of colluders is asinine. But there is a lot of grey area in between "full blown conspiracy" and "the NHL is squeaky clean", and there is an enormous amount of money riding on merchandising, the NHL brand, attendance profit, TV viewership, etc. If an organization can be corrupt, it will be to the extent that it is possible - in other words, there is no organization that makes that much money that is impervious to some degree of systemic corruption.
Is it everyone on the NHL payroll in on it? Impossible. Are there people motivated to influence outcomes in positions to do so? Without question.
I can get behind absolutely everything you've said here Van. Well thought out and food for thought for sure.
I'm not sure it would be illegal for the refs as much as I'm thinking that match fixing in general is illegal. Outside of the entertainment this is a sport that is legally bet upon. I have to think there would be some legal ramifications for this.
Anyways, nice to see you again. What'd I win
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Man, you lurk on here pretending to be the voice of reason. You always seem to take the League view. Coincidence of course, right grandma?
The main guy doing the yapping was already no longer a ref, He wasn't at the highest level. He didn't admit to game fixing; he bragged about manipulating games. We did not solicit his opinion. He interrupted a conversation we were having about towns which, in our experience, had the worst reffing. We were from different areas, so it was an interesting conversation. Once again, we did not ask for his opinion. This occurred in North Vancouver.
Any actual refs or ex-refs care to comment?
Did you just pull the old I'm working for the league card? and then call me grandma.
Anyways, you don't know anybody. This conversation never happened anywhere but in your head. I'm not even saying that refs don't manipulate games I'm at this point just saying you're full of crap.
I would be very interested to hear an actual ref or ex ref comment rather than some second hand made up story that just so happens to back up your point but only just recently something you decided to say. Coincidence of course, right?
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This is also too vague for a viable theory.
What's the percentages. Greater thans and less thans are very concise. Very little information there other than that it shows more or less what Skol was saying that a person who believes in these theories can point to anything they want and call it a conspiracy. As long as a Canadian team doesn't win y'all have something to point to and say you were right. Specifics are never really given in these cases because with specifics we can make actual predictions rather than just thoughts about what might happen. Hell even if the Canadiens won this year you'd be able to point at them as an original 6 and say you were right when you really didn't make any bold claim.
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It's days like today I ask myself. Where is Canuckelion?
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err no? you won't get into jail by miss calls... and they are using this to shift momentums in the way they want.
errr yes. If they're admitting to intentionally trying to fix the outcome of a game it would be illegal. If it comes out and is proven there could be potential jail time. The only way that's not true is if I'm wrong and match fixing isn't illegal.
-.=" hope it's a joke .... cos you would be calling for his head if he fired AV in 2011 after winning the PC two times in a row... Assuming you are talking about av....
I mean essentially it was a joke but what I was saying was gillis kept bringing in players that weren't what the team needed. Not sure how AV came into it.
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They are the most capable. That doesn't make them honest. Do you know any refs personally?
I ask that because I do know refs. They laugh about manipulating games. They have to know how to manipulate games or they don't advance.
Examples: Overkill-call every little thing, Momentum killer-call a penalties to stop momentum from certain team, Letting out line and reeling them back in-letting teams do what they want then call the other team when they try to do the same. These are just a few of the methods used by refs. Any refs care to comment? Is there even one honest ref out there?
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Gotta do better than that. These guys could potentially do jail time for game fixing. They aren't going to be bragging to some joe blow they know about it. One comment and they lose their job and face legal action.
Also I'm confused. Are you saying they're the most capable incapable refs?
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if they have integrity they will not be able to ref the playoffs or even keep their jobs since they are just carrying out the league's agenda.
would you hire someone who can't do the job you want them to do?
Gillis did it for 3 seasons.
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Just have to say that the Canadiens in the playoffs get the kind of calls from the refs that the Canucks can only dream about.
That's the O6 advantage, folks.
Original 6 advantage...
made me
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You suck at sarcasm or you're a complete tool.
Neither is a compliment, and I'm not joking.
Care to elaborate or are you just being a jerk?
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Hey guys, I know this is Basketball but I wouldn't doubt Hockey is rigged in a very similar way.
This is very disturbing. How the NBA is rigged: http://www.ibtimes.com/nba-rigged-ex-referee-tim-donaghy-claims-nba-instructed-officials-favor-nets-over-raptors-1575437
It's good to note that the guy in the article who's saying it's rigged, he helped rig it and knows how it's rigged is also trying to sell betting picks.
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See now I can get behind what you're saying as a possibility but I still have a hard time believing that without a guarantee they would take the risk involved. Legal ramifications alone would cause so much of a ripple it would come close to shutting the league down all together.
This makes perfect sense.
I apologize for not being clear because I do get how bad officiating can have an effect on a game. I question though if it's just bad officiating or staged officiating. In my mind staged officiating would need to be only a piece of the greater pie that would be required to determine the outcome of games/series/seasons. -
He's not worth arguing with, it wasn’t too long ago, he said Horvat wouldn’t amount to anything more than Sestito because he didn’t put up 42 goal like tom did in his overage year, This guy obviously knows very little about the sport hockey.
Not once has he ever came back with any sort rebuttal to any of my supporting claims to prove how it is not scripted. Instead just continuing to ramble on and ignoring anything tangible in front of him.
Another point to show how little he knows is, you know how accurate KB3 shot had to be to bounce off the boards like that. First it had to lucky get through traffic and hit the board in the exact spot. Too little power on the shot and it doesn’t make it, not enough angle and it doesn’t make it. One stick in the wrong position and it doesn’t make it. Think about all the clutch saves Luongo made in game 1,2 & 5. If he’s just acting and his glove is off by 1 inch the puck goes in the net. Game over.
Remember when Raymond broke his back, all for good show right?
He’d be better off believing that the puck is an alien life form that Bettman mind controls, than to believe the players are in on it.
Everybody is worth arguing with but a good discussion needs give and take. It can't just be calling out people who disagree with you as "ding dongs" and virtually closing your eyes and ears to any argument that isn't your own.
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Just saying don't uphold me to standards that you can uphold yourself.
Did you just "i know you are but what am I" me?
My standards are fine. The standards of many people in here discussing both sides is fine.Yours I'm starting to question. All this childishness because I didn't drop to my knees and agree with you.
I'm not even saying there's not rigging. In fact I've come right out and said that. Just showing how and why certain parameters may need to be there. Player involvement is an absolute must. Without a guarantee there's little chance the risk of losing money, criminal charges etc etc are going to be there. Lets not forget this is something that is legally bet upon. That alone is extremely risky to tamper with especially if they were just going to half ass it.
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Well check my name change history if you think I'm against Bettman.
Are you drinking?
He was a user. I'm not saying you're him.
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Isn't that what you guys have been doing all along?
No.
who's guys? me's guys? Certainly not what I've been doing.
If others are doing it does that mean it's ok for you to do it. As someone trying to get information out there shouldn't you be holding yourself to a higher standard than "they did it so I do it?"
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I got nothing against Bettman anyways this happens in all pro sports whether its in the NFL, NBA or MLB.
You can't pin this on Bettman (its not really his fault).
Nomorebettman was a user here. He used to go on about this conspiracy stuff as well and also didn't care about discussion just preaching. Eventually that caught up with him and he got banned for going after people who disagreed with him.
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So showing a goal that cost the Bruins a game is something that did not hurt them in the playoffs?
Was my request that hard to comprehend?
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I once had a slice of toast that came out looking like Angelina Jolie .. so damn cute I ate 'her' with grape jelly
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Just like I said you will never see it, cause you don't want to. Pointless even speaking to you really.
TRUTH IS OUT THERE BRO.
Like I said, anybody who disagrees with you you just generalize and cast off. I didn't need your help to prove it but thanks for it.
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If you just want to see it that's fine by me but you have to come with something better if you want to be able to have a discussion. Calling those who disagree with you ding dongs though speaks volumes about the strength of your argument. No room for discussion at all. You remind me of Xanlet from back in the Nomorebettman days.If you don't want to see it, its fine by me you will probably never see it until I bring in more examples from the site.
It's just like Ding Dong, Batmania, Forsberg and LaMaivette on this entire thread: they don't want to see any of this because they support the league. You can see this on all of their posts on this thread.
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I think this actually would show a bias giving the site we're on. If you really want to go for being unbiased you need to show me an error that hurt the Bruins from those playoffs. I mean outside of just picking the winner it's really about maximizing revenue. That happens with extended series especially in big markets. SO logically they would have to have made "errors" that didn't favor the Bruins to maximize profits.There are so many examples from 2011 Finals alone. I will just name one for now but there are so many. I will stick to a goal from Vancouver just to remain unbiased.
I didn't even realize this till I read the site it was one of the so called "errors" so it is very easy to see. But there are also many discreet instances. Now let me tell you if your saying the 10% would look fake, how fake does a guy hitting puck into a empty net look? Not fake at all. But when errors happen like this in the video you can clearly see how fake everything is.
I see where you're trying to lead me here but I think it's pretty weak tbh. I mean you might as well be making toast with an image of jesus burnt into it as proof of an afterlife. I'm sure you can find better than this. I mean, a player was in a position, took a one timer and a save was made. That's called hockey. Players get robbed all the time. Weaksauce, 23, weaksauce.
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Look, it's ridiculous to think that the players are in on it. They're way too competitive to do it in the first place, and secondly, there's way too high a chance that at least one of them would've spoken out by now.
With that said, there's no way/need for pregame choreography or whatnot. What we're trying to argue that the LEAGUE influences the outcomes of games through officiating. This is pretty obvious if you look at the number of hugely important missed calls in the playoffs, where it's supposed to be the "best" officials calling the games.
This doesn't guarantee the league will get the result it wants, but it's a huge factor. Bad calls can be huge in swinging the momentum of a game, just ask San Jose.
I also don't believe that every referee in the league is in on it. At most, all you'd need is 3-5 trusted guys who are in on it, who are veteran/respected referees that no one would dare question. Need a series to swing the other way? Throw one of those guys in for game 4. The other 3 officials on the ice could be completely oblivious to what's going on, and it would still work a majority of the time.
This is just silly. If the league doesn't get a guarantee it wouldn't bother with the risk. I'm not saying it's not happening I'm just giving the parameters of how it would have to happen. Player involvement is an absolute must.
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This is my review again, in case you missed it:
This, again was based on one series against top peer competition. If he looks better against weaker competition, so be it.
Yes, his size is not his fault, but I believe NHL.com has him ranked at 13th irregardless of his size anyway. Not 6th. I think other prospects need to be considered, as they're all very skilled in their own right. And a lot don't have the size issue. For Ehlers to be worth the size risk and the risk of him playing a fairly one-dimensional style, I think his NHL ranking needed to be quite high.
Why does it matter? Doesn't the NHL decide what picks go where anyways.
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Are the Playoffs Rigged? (Put on Your Tinfoil Hat, We're Going In...)
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but the penguins...