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The point regarding PED... I have seen more than handful of the posters here bring it up, I wonder why.
I remember, the year following the LA's cup year, the announcers from CBC were talking about how Quick had severe back problem and only time he would not feel pain was when he was playing. I was thinking, he must be some sort of drug, something stronger than a normal pain killer.
The LA team using their body so effectively all of a sudden with newly energized legs compared to games 1-3, really causes one to wonder...
As for rigging the playoffs, it's impossible to completely determine the outcome of the game but one thing is for sure, not one game in the playoffs is called fairly. I think it's more or less due to incapable referees but also because the NHL encourages different standards of refereeing for the playoffs, which makes the refs jobs even harder.
How can it be "more or less" incapable referees but also be rigged.
If it's rigged then they have to be the most capable referees to pull it off. As well the amount of practice the players need to put into it would be incredible to some of the things suggested in this thread. I mean they would really need to have a pre game game before the pre game skate just to choreograph it.
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Wrong!!
I did watch and it appears that Linden also watched.
Congrats?!?
must a hit a nerve.
As for the second part that doesn't make any sense. Given what you said you still obviously didn't watch it.
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Linden and the next GM will fire Torts. Book it.
That doesn't really answer the question though now does it?
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I'm not "speaking ill" of Tortorella - I'm being "realistic" and critical - a valid difference imo.
WE can agree to disagree on that one. I don't think speaking ill of and being realistic and critical need to be two different things. I also don't necessarily think speaking ill of somebody is always wrong. I wasn't in any way trying to call you out for voicing your opinion and I apologize if that's how I came across.
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I am not talking about results for the team.
I am saying Tortorella is the wrong coach for the Canucks.
Regardless of the team's performance this year or any year, Tortorella is a bad coach.
He is shallow, ignorant, self-centred, abusive, disrespectful, and liable to erupt verbally and physically at any time.
I know, people are going to question this, so here is some boring detail:
Shallow: insufficient consideration of others, including his boss GMMG who is absolutely cerebral in comparison. "I like dogs." Big deal; we all do.
Ignorant: admitted he knew nothing about the team, other teams in the conference, and did not bother to learn.
Self-centered: everything is about Torts, all about him, what he did and did not do, where he was wrong, where he takes responsibility, whether your cellphone rings during his interview.
Abusive: swearing, embarrassing, screaming at professional hockey players in front of their teammates, fans, and TV; who knows how bad it got out of view?
Disrespectful: as above but also calling the core "old and stale", re Edler: "I have to learn this guy", Gillis was a bad GM, talking down to female reporters, nobody understands anything like Torts does, etc.
Yeah and I'm fine with that. I don't know that I agree he's a bad coach. he's certainly an ass hat. I can for sure get off the fence about the guys coaching long enough to agree with you there.
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You like to try to give directions, don't you Employee.
I'd assume you'd know the definition of "vilify", given you used the word.
Are you being serious?
To vilify is just to speak ill of. I get it, you googled vilify and took the first definition that popped up but just stop it. There's your direction, follow it or don't I don't really care at this point.
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I think that with AV's knowledge of our roster and the west that the twins are used to their strengths in offensive deployment, guys like Hansen are used more on the PK/defensive deployment, we play more puck possession and less collapse/dump and change, there's no attempt to square peg Edler in to the round hole Hamhuis is already occupying and the minutes are spread more evenly...yes I think we're likely less injured, less worn out and likely have a few more points that get us one of those 7th/8th seed spots.
So in a round about way, at least we have Torts to thank for getting us 6th pick
I'm not going to lie and say that I wouldn't want to have seen what AV would have done with the roster I just don't think the result would have been any different.
We could thank Torts for that but fired or not I'd rather thank him for being the final nail in Gillis coffin. Giving Gillis credit he was great at finding diamond in the rough talent but his ability to build a contending team left much to be desired after the first few years. I don't really care if Torts is here next season but I'm glad that where it really matters the team is going to start moving in another direction.
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If you want the post 'chewed up and spit out' you'll have to do it yourself.
Likewise if you want to give credit where you think it's due. Fill your boots.
If thats whay you call 'vilifying', I think the dramatizing around here has gotten to you.
Am I "abusively disparaging" Torts? I'll file that one under ironing.
Did I say you were abusively disparaging anybody? Calm down Oldnews, you don't have to get so worked up if I disagree with you.
I also didn't say I wanted anything, I just pointed something out man. Feel free to agree or disagree with me. Obviously you disagree.
In any case, relax.
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It was M silly.D
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It is not about blaming everything on one man.
It is about having the best coach we can get for the team.
It is about Torts being nowhere near the best coach we can get for the team.
It is about firing this wrong coach before he causes any more damage.
You think there's a coach that could take this team anywhere? If not than we really don't know who the best coach is for this team.
I think, like many things on CDC it's very much about blame. Blame Bieksa, Blame Edler, Blame Gillis, Blame AV, Blame Torts, Blame the owners, Blame Kesler for some, one guy once blamed Burrows now he's a legend in the hall of CDC stupidity.
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If you want the post 'chewed up and spit out' you'll have to do it yourself.
Likewise if you want to give credit where you think it's due. Fill your boots.
If thats whay you call 'vilifying', I think the dramatizing around here has gotten to you.
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The only people I've seen "blaming" AV entirely were the same reactionary/panicky fans on here that overreact and oversimplify just about everything they hear from our tabloid sports media.
Firing AV was quite simply a move to kick the existing team in the keaster as a "Hail Mary" move and really the only option Gillis had left with no ready prospects (largely due to previous management and then going on a cup run) and a shrinking cap (both eating in to roster depth).
It's not remotely that he was a "bad" coach. It was that he was a good coach that had been here a long time and wasn't able to push the roster further than he already had. Especially as the roster HAS regressed (see above).
If we'd retained him we're probably in the playoffs this year (making another early exit due to the above roster issues). We were always going to be a bubble team this past season though.
Other than the bold part I completely agree.
IMO if we had retained him we'd be in the same situation we are right now. Perhaps a higher or lower draft pick but I don't think this team was making the playoffs. They needed more than what they had. Slow start, great middle and then an awful ending. If I'm being honest the middle was much better than I had expected.
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It's a lose-lose-win-win kind of situation. You're throwing the dice if you fire or keep him. If you keep him and he does bad, you look bad. But I think, honestly, I would respect keeping him for the sake of the players and for the sake of respecting your coach. I'm not talking in terms of the season, or bias against or towards him. I would say this about (nearly, excluding a few coaches.) every coach, if you give him the job, you give him atleast a couple years. I saw this as a possibility when he started the year, and I thought then what I think now.
I don't think they care about looking bad as much as they do about losing playoff revenue. If Torts is here or gone next season I can't see the sticking point being the optics of the move.
I will say this; like Torts or hate him, in the keep camp or the fire camp. Anybody who thought this team was a lock for the playoffs last off season was fooling themselves. Knowing that zero talent had been brought in to fix the team and that it was seemingly being blamed on bad coaching (which was false, AV is an excellent coach) there was no way this teams downward spiral wasn't going to continue. After the Luongo trade it was obviously just going to go from bad to worse. That's not a knock on Lack as he's totally fine but he wasn't ready to take on the role that was forced on him. It was a crap storm right from the beginning. At the deadline they just added a fan to throw the crap at.
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That's your job here. I don't disagree with that poster.
First point - yeah, a team's terrible performance is not an argument in favour of retaining a coach.
Second point - I agree - Tortorella's handling of young players is overly praised, and there were obvious contradictions in the way he handled Kassian vs Jensen.
Yes he passed the buck to the roster and the GM, clearly. Even his "taking responsibility" was a form of passing the buck - his failures according to him were giving too much of the room to the players, and cliches about not enough Tortorellaing. How convenient. Sold a "stiffness" song, and then coached the team to utter limpness.
Poorly prepared/informed or too damn stubborn to adapt to the Olympic schedule and reality of the travel, the endless back to backs.....burned the team out, something he was criticized for by Sather, and undoubtedly cautioned about by Gillis, but did what he does and the results weren't that unpredictable.
If you want to take issue with the post, do it yourself.
I don't have a job here...none of us do.
I'm just saying give credit where it's do. You're free to vilify the guy and then take any positive and turn it around on him though; as you've said before you have every right to be wrong.
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I may not have read all your content on Torts' position with the team, but the one I remember thinking had some validity was something like, "he's still here so he might be staying."
This point made me think that you might be right but I am hoping it is only contractual (buyout and anniversary) or deferential (to the new GM).
Why do you think Torts should stay on as head coach?
You know I honestly don't know that he should stay on as head coach. I just don't know that he deserves to be fired for what went on this year. I know it's kind of a chicken S statement but I'm fine saying that I just don't know.
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Bingo.
C'mon oldnews.
I've watched you take apart, chew up and spit out better arguments than that on the pro torts side.
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Torts' lack of a system is a disgrace to the new NHL. Lord Linden will fire him soon and bring in Trotz or McLellan
What if Linden doesn't? Does that mean Lindens stupid and we jump on him or does it mean he's smarter than we are?
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Not really. Both coaches would be suspended and the assistant couches would be running the show.
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can u go away?
awww muffin.
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Actually he said that Torts was Mike Gillis' hire, but he (Aquilini) signed off on it, meaning he Ok'd it. He also mentioned that "that is why we are here today." None of the reporters present jumped on that statement, but a lot of radio talk show hosts (TEAM 1040 for one) and many one here took that to mean that Aquilini threw Torts under the bus and he was going to be fired at the end of the season. Two weeks later he's still here so what Aquilini meant is anybody's guess at this point in time.
The way I interpreted it at the time was that Gillis hired Torts as the fix for the team and Aqua went along with that. Given that coaching wasn't the problem there was only one other answer which was the team. The team being the GM's responsibility so Gillis was fired.
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I do not believe Horvat is eligible to play AHL .. so Canucks, Junior or Europe?
It'll be junior than. I don't know that he's going to be good enough yet to make an NHL club.
Jensen I think will be here. Gaunce and Shink possibly.
Barring trades I think
Sedin, Sedin, Jensen
UFA/prospect, Kesler, Kassian
Burrows, Matthias, Santorelli
Higgins, Richardson, Sestito
Booth
IMO if they can get rid of Booth for anything, trade Burrows for some value coming back this team is in much better shape to come out of this rebuild sooner.
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have u even watched his games goof? Think ur amazing
Can you go away?
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If he was even closer to $3m I might consider it but he's just too expensive for a guy that's likely to be on our 3rd/4th line.
On a good note, with his play in the latter portion of the season, we might actually be able to trade him.
That would be sweet.
not to disparage the guy but any return for him would be a win.
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You only get ~$900k cap relief in the new CBA by burying someone in the minors. $That would leave a ~$3.35m cap hit for a guy playing in Utica. Not going to happen.
Traded or bought out.
Forgot about that.
I still could see a scenario where they don't buy him out with only a year left on his contract. If you'd have asked me last year before he was hurt I wouldn't have given it a second thought.
Are the Playoffs Rigged? (Put on Your Tinfoil Hat, We're Going In...)
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Absolutely.
You would however need it to make sure they could practice and get that 10% right.
Otherwise they play 90% of a real game and 10% that looked completely and totally fake.
So yeah, for your theory to be remotely correct they would have to do more than just come up with a final score or result. They would need to choreograph; even if just for 10% of the game.