wallstreetamigo
-
Posts
16,779 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
30
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Events
Blogs
Gallery
Posts posted by wallstreetamigo
-
-
7 hours ago, Baggins said:
Names...
https://thescoringtouch.com/2022/07/11/2022-non-qualified-rfas-list/
-
2 hours ago, Baggins said:
There have been some players sign for less because of the flat cap, but I wouldn't exactly call it bargains. Every team has contracts come off the books and there's still a bidding war for the good players.
A team can decline the arbitration award and the player simply becomes a ufa at that point.
When was the last time a good rfa wasn't qualified and allowed to walk for nothing into free agency?
Last offseason there were several.
-
2 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:
That's the thing though. The core isn't bad. The core handful of guys are actually great. Pettersson is one of the best forwards in the league, Hughes one of the best Dmen, and Demko one of the best goalies. Miller (when he decides to pull his head out of his ass) and Kuzmenko are two of the better forwards in the league as well. And yet it's always something. Demko was hurt, Pettersson was hurt, the defense is a mess outside of Hughes, the bottom 6 are bad, we had covid, the coaching is bad, we have badly constructed team, we have too much cap tied up in wingers.
I just don't know what to think any more.
The road is littered with teams that had a good core group but couldn’t effectively surround them and continually gave up picks for middling players. Those teams end up in the middle of the road category and never win f all and never draft high enough for an impact player.
-
Just now, Baggins said:
No thanks to other teams trash. We're not Arizona, we're actually building around our young talent. Anything that improves the team around Petey, Hughes, Miller, Demko etc, I'm all for. I'm a firm believer in icing the best team you can every year.
Every year teams get very good players for peanuts because they have the cap space to take them on without giving up much. That’s how the Canucks should be building. To get QUALITY players being dumped for garbage.
The bonus is not only do you get comparable or better players than the garbage typically signed or traded for by the Canucks, you also get to fill the prospect pool by keeping your picks and adding more. Then you have more assets to trade to continue to fill out the team.
-
Just now, PetterssonOrPeterson said:
Yup. Seems about the right time this team starts f**king up the tank.
Kind of opposite of last year when they starting making that glimmer hope of a playoff push after Bruce arrived before choking in some "should win" games near the end to miss the playoffs. lmao.
It almost seems like its destiny for this team to not get a number 1 OA pick or a Stanley Cup.
Just stay in the middle. The Canuck way.
Pretty much
-
7 minutes ago, hockeyfan-observer said:
Great to see them winning again though was a bit dicey at times - they need to keep it going - try even harder so that they can get into the top 20 and show improvement to their loyal fans - If they can someone gain another net 10+ points on some teams in the remaining games, they will be out of these lottery sweepstakes - this indicates they are not too far off the playoff bar like some other teams and gives hope to the season ticket holders.heading into next season.
Next game vs OTT will be tough so Demko will probably start - also need to play Petey and Huggy extra minutes if we are to win and finally overtake some of these teams we have been chasing for a while. Will be an interesting weekend.
Why would a late season hot streak after another crappy season give hope to anyone? It’s the same every year. Just enough to drop their draft position and give management false hope. This team is only close to the playoff bar because pretty much every team is thanks to loser points. The team as constructed is pretty horrible and would get shredded in the first round even if they made it.
This team needs a true impact draft pick and a better overall strategy to give people hope. Better to lose than win at this point.
-
1
-
-
9 hours ago, Baggins said:
That happens every year and every year teams will overpay the top ufa's come July. The only real exception to that rule is those rare ufa's that really want to play for a specific team and are willing to leave money on the table to get that done. Myers, despite not living up to his contract, is actually an example. He took less than what analysts expected, and more surprisingly, a shorter term than expected. Because he really wanted to be here. I don't buy the plethora of good ufa's signing cheap this summer and any good ufa RHD will see multiple money trucks backing up to his door to choose from.
So his main argument that it’s an opportunity to have a bunch of picks and a bunch of cap space to take advantage of cap strapped teams is somehow invalid?
Teams will go crazy for the next shiny UFA object they always do. Teams that have cap space can get good players (or bad contracts plus high picks) those other GM’s have to jettison for peanuts to make room for their shiny new toy.
The Canucks should have been doing this anytime during the last 8 years or so instead of giving out bloated contracts to UFA’s or trading picks for over the hill declining players.
Should have been able to get OEL for nothing with that contract and his declining play and considering he would only go to Boston or Vancouver. No chance Boston was very interested.
Realistically, operating at the cap while being a bottom feeder for nearly a decade and trading away picks for sub par players is just not even arguable as a viable strategy or a winning one. History shows that in no uncertain terms. Yet here we are continuing to think it is.
-
But the ones who are completely averse to taking a true step back to start (finally) taking true steps forward ignore the fact that Petey and Hughes don’t want to be on a top team just from March to May every year. That’s not going to be enough for them to want to be here.
The reality is pretty much every year this team craps the bed for 3/4 of the season and only starts winning games when they no longer matter. That’s not being a winning team and it certainly isn’t the moral victory the players need to learn to win next year. You guys and Canucks management have been saying that for what 8 years now? Have they actually learned anything other than they need to do just enough to keep their jobs for it to be good enough?
Injuries are part of hockey. The good teams actually have the ability to fill those holes. Either through creating cap space and changing out personnel or through a strong farm system. The Canucks never manage to do or have either.
A guy like Bedard would instantly buy the Canucks time to fix some very big issues. But it’s more important they win meaningless games to somehow show they are really a good contending team with bad luck? They aren’t. The team as constructed is pretty terrible and has been for a long time. Trading picks like candy is and has been the problem. Although somewhat understandable since they always seem to pick the wrong players anyway unless they are a slam dunk at whatever spot the Canucks are picking. Even then they screw it up half the time.
-
1
-
-
Just now, fanofvan said:
Hughes doesn’t have to say it…he could say the team is nowhere near competing…what are they going to do, trade him??
No chance any player would say that unless they are already demanding a trade.
-
42 minutes ago, -DLC- said:
I wish people put more stock into this. It's not how WE feel...Petey and Quinn matter (most). I'm sure management has factored that in, even if some here don't.
The people who count have voices in all of this (too).
Preach it, Quinn.
No player wants to have a long painful rebuild. Allowing a couple of players to determine which direction you go is stupid though. Same as it was when they tried to prop up the team for the Sedins.
You don’t continue the same direction when it hasn’t worked for 10 years. That’s just insanity.
I laugh at anyone (including Hughes) who says with a straight face this roster is anywhere close to being competitive. He of course has to say that but I doubt it’s how he really feels.
-
2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
OEL has a NMC. He will veto all trades except to Boston, who don't need him or want him...
With a NMC can he even be bought out?
-
10 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
If we retained $2 million on him he'd get traded. GMs can't help themselves
If an option to trade him was to the Canucks I would agree lol
-
2 minutes ago, -DLC- said:
Won't read past "homer" fans. Hit ignore at that point.
Been a slice though.
Your status as a homer fan is god tier.
The term homer fan is not an offensive one in my world. It’s just a fan who always sees the good no matter the reality and believes in management no matter the actual outcomes over time. It’s not a negative thing it’s just a different way of being a fan. At least to me.
-
Just now, Warhippy said:
He's still a smooth skating 30+ point defenseman that can execute a quality pass. He'd absolutely be picked up
He’s not a 5 mil dman to any team we would be able to trade him to.
-
5 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
People need to understand that OEL can have a mere $2 million retained making him effectively a $5 million defenseman. His contract would then run out at it's usual time.
Teams would line up for him at that point. We need to stop pretending a buyout is a smart idea with a contract like his
I don’t think teams would line up for OEL at 5 mil per long term. Might be tradeable with other assets and retention but let’s face it he is garbage and was for several years before we got him.
-
6 minutes ago, -DLC- said:
At some point, though, you need to get over the past. It's done.
And they are being a bit more methodical but it's a damned if you do/don't deal it seems.
Mistakes have been made. No team makes moves that always pan out exactly as planned.
Yes, we need to not spend so recklessly and commit for so long. But sometimes that's the only way to acquire players and some DO work out. We can't be jaded and think that everyone's going to be a Loui.
And moving Bo (awful) is a sign that they're making some tough decisions. Yes, backed into a corner to some degree but Bo opted for the $$ and no one can blame him for that.
It’s easy for homer fans to point to the ya but now it’s different argument. It’s not in any fundamental way. The approach has been consistent - and consistently bad - for a decade. Expecting it to suddenly work now is ridiculous. They need cap space and patience to use it to max advantage.
The past is only the past if you learn from it and make adjustments. It’s really just an ongoing present approach though which is the problem.
Not having the money to pay Horvat was a management decision. Or actually a series of them.
-
18 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
We already traded a 1st round pick to get OEL. Now you want to double down and trade another 1st round pick to get rid of him? If this actually happened CDC would need to be shut down and JR/PA would need to go into the witness protection program.
Oh by the way, welcome back WSA, we missed you around here. Nice to see you back even though we may have some differing opinions on here...
is it wrong that I kind of wish JR/PA do that?
-
3 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
We keep continuing to do the exact same thing as we have for a decade with zero success. Who is to say Hughes and Petey don't want out regardless?
There's been insinuations about this from Hughes/Petey before in passing. So....
This. The strategy they are trying to use clearly has not worked. Trying a different one is what smart management/owners would do.
Despite their delusional public claims, this roster is not anywhere close to being constructed to be competitive.
-
1
-
-
Just now, coho8888 said:
If you are talking about tanking this year, I don't know what more can be done. We've been play 4 AHL defensemen down the stretch. Miller sat out for the Dallas game and we still won. If your number 1 goaltender says he's ready to play and wants to play, you don't sit him out. If the team gets a 2 goal lead against a top team like Dallas and you decide give limited ice time to someone like Petey who's competitive and wants to play, what do you think that will do?
Players don't tank, period. We have dressed a depleted line up for the last little while now. It is what it is.
Players don’t play to lose. Neither do coaches. Losing for a team like this one at this point in the season is just a good result unfortunately. That’s the way the NHL works.
Tanking is a management thing not a player or coach thing.
-
1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:
Is this satire?
Not at all. Never should have traded for him to begin with. And getting out from under his anchor contract would be a high but necessary cost.
-
Just now, Warhippy said:
People keep forgetting that Trouba. Kane. panarin. Fix and more literally ONLY had NY as their destination.
When we get a 1b d man a perennial Norris nominee a couple HoF players refusing to sign anywhere but Vancouver we can make those comparison but instant, we got OEL
People forget the simple things eh
Exactly
-
Would have been perfectly happy moving that 1st to move OEL rather than having to buy him out or keep him. It would suck but it’s just reality of trading for a boat anchor.
-
1
-
-
Just now, coho8888 said:
You don't think they didn't try to get rid of some of the players you mentioned? At whatever cost? including future high draft picks and prospects?
I’m sure they tried. But they still think those players have value. They don’t at their current cap hits so you either pay assets to move them or you have to retain. It’s a simple formula. Canucks management not being willing to see it is and has been the problem.
-
1 minute ago, EdgarM said:
This new management group is still trying to get out from under what was left to them, not an easy feat. I don't think they want to make things worse and they can only do what ever the other teams are willing to give them. I have full confidence this group has more competence then the last.
I don't see them paying "Top Dollar" although I think they miscalculated the worth of BB as he has not improved over the past while. Probably because of his multiple injuries. Hronek, Petey, Miller, Kuzmenko, Hughes, Beauvillier and Demko are all on reasonable contracts. It doesn't seem like they are handing out huge contracts and I do think if they cannot? The player will move on, ala Bo Horvat.
I don't think they had anyone willing to take on our excess as they probably wanted us to give up more then what was reasonable. there is still time to do this.
I do agree with the scouting though, that hasn't seemed to be one of our strong points and maybe it should be looked at more closely.
The new management group does have to deal with the Benning era mistakes. But they have made several of their own already. Boeser and Miller contracts are garbage. The only acceptable use of high picks this season in a trade should have been to clear OEL or possibly Myers.
Trading Schenn, Stillman, Lazar? Who cares? Doesn’t move the needle that clearly needs to be moved.
-
1
-
[PGT] Anaheim Ducks at Vancouver Canucks | Mar. 08, 2023
in Canucks Talk
Posted
No doubt those are the ugliest jerseys I have ever seen a Canucks team play in and that’s saying something. Hoping that’s a joke.