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4 hours ago, shiznak said:
Man, I can’t wait for fans to turn on Hughes when he decides to not defend his teammates in scrums.
I expect that Captain Quinn will naturally become a feistier player especially if there’s some kind of altercation on the ice. Smaller though he is than Horvat, I can see him not shying away with his new responsibility. He can’t possibly be more passive than Bo. But other players will have to help him out
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12 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:
I can’t wait until November 15 when the fans show BO their true feelings towards him. I don’t think it’s going to be pretty. This fake suck up crap isn’t going to work IMO.
Meh there may be a smattering of boos but he was the captain here for quite awhile. The cheers will drown that out. Most fans will remember the positives. He played well in the bubble playoffs. And he didn’t really ever take a night off, he was his same unspectacular but steady self most nights.
Make no mistake I’m glad management didn’t break open the piggy bank for him and also we needed new leadership but no one can blame him for his GMs ineptitude in finding him decent linemates. And as far as padding his scoring stats in his last year, while it was selfishly transparent, he was understandably pissed that Miller was obviously chosen over him. He saw the writing on the wall and decided to look out for himself and his family.
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1 hour ago, iinatcc said:
I don't think it's him striking fear really scares me (since he's not exactly that kind of player) but it's him emotions getting the better of him. When things are good, it's great but when things are bad it becomes a distraction and his handling of the media is not exactly ideal. If the organization wants a fresh start from all the drama, Miller wearing the C is quite risky
To me Hughes and Pettersson were the only logical choices (granted Canucks can extend Pettersson long term). Their age assures they will still be the best players and on top form in 7 to 8 years time. While Miller bring captain but possibly regressing in 3 to 4 years might be problematic. It's always ideal to have one of your best players wearing the C imo
That longer term argument is valid. And makes a good case for Hughes. But it’s disappointing that so many fans fall for the Vancouver Inquirer deadbeats in this town. The “distraction” was exclusively stirred up by certain media members making a mountain out of a mole hill. And please find one interview where JT made himself or the team look bad. IMO he is by far the best with the media . He’s as honest and humble off the ice as he’s passionate and forward on the ice. So happy he’s here.
One time he gave a curt response after the stick slam. Because he nor his teammates were concerned about it. All players have a bad day. There are interviews of Quinn where he’s looked quite arrogant. Denying his own sub par performance on the ice. Petey has been short with reporters a couple of times as well. Miller wears his heart on his sleeve which is endless fodder for the amateur hacks in this town
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35 minutes ago, Cromeslab said:
Happy for Quinn,hope he’s up to the local stupidity.good to get it done before camp and it gives Petey a sigh of relief imo.I think Petey is gonna dominate this season.Him and Quinn ate gonna combine for a lot points
It will be interesting to see how Captain Quinn handles the questions when the team goes on a bit of a losing streak. With the local media. But also in the dressing room with other players some of whom are older vets.
But the team won’t go on a losing streak ever again now that we are contenders.
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48 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said:
You don't think JT having heated altercations on the ice with Schenn, yelling at a 3rd string goalie, saying he's doesn't give a *bleep* if the fans are showing they're upset about the teams struggles, and storming off the ice after making a mistake late in the period could be seen as antagonistic behavior?
Personally, I think it's fine if people wanted JT as captain, I can see the argument. I disagree whole heartedly and I'm very relieved he didn't get selected, but I can see the arguments why some wanted him. But saying he never once acted antagonistic is just being ignorant in my eyes. I'm sure the good far out weight the bad with JT in his leadership style, that's why he wears an A and was signed long term. But I don't know how you can say there was no red flags in his actions last year.
Nope
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I also think JT was the clear best choice.
Just saying he was “antagonistic” to his teammates doesn’t make it true. He wasn’t. At all. Or even to the media. All of his interviews have been thoughtful and honest. I have no idea where these BS stories come from. Actually we do. From a few of the sports media personalities who need listeners.
In fact Vancouver has needed a captain like Miller for a long time . A natural leader, and an experienced veteran, with a passion for winning. Quinn as of right now, is not in the same league
Okay before the flames, I just had to get that out of my system.
i said previously in the thread that I’m 100% on board. Because it’s still a good choice. Any of the three would have been. And also it’s done and I have no choice but to support the team as they are.
So I will find the positives
Quinn is younger highly skilled player. What if Miller play drops off in 3 years (I hope not!) but it’s possible. Quinn has a higher potential to keep the respect of his on ice play with his teammates (and other teams) for a longer period of time
This decision will most likely stop any ruminating about him leaving for NJ. And that would also have an influence on Petey sticking around.
Because he’s still young he will grow into his new role. It may push him to be more forward on the ice as well as the locker room. That edge that we admire in Miller we should see develop with this new responsibility. I expect a feistier Quinn on the ice
He seemed to really want it. That’s important. If it had to be a choice between three reluctant candidates that would not be great. He wants to lead. He, by all reports, is not afraid to call out his teammates. All to make his teammates rise to be as competitive as he is.
All in for Quinn!!!
Go Canucks Go!!!
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Congratulations Quinn!
Gotta admit he wasn’t my first choice, but all things considered probably the best choice. 100% behind this decision.
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2 hours ago, Citizen Erased said:
Both Hughes and Miller would make good captains for different reasons.
Yup
I’d say that Quinn, JT, and Petey each have SOME of the qualities to be captain but no one has it all.
Quinn wants the job and is the most even keeled personality
but he doesn’t have the same grit and passion and proven leadership as Miller
who doesn’t have the franchise superstar quality as Petey (who if he was named captain it would almost garantee he’d sign long term)
my first choice is JT, but I’d be fine with any of them, or three A’s for now
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“I understand where I can be better, in the attack zone. Usually, for me, one shot in the game, two shots is good, but it’s not in the NHL. Usually, a forward needs two or maybe three shots in the game because I have a lot of moments.”
I wonder if Tocchet agrees that it’s in the attack zone and shooting more that’s the area he wants Kuz to be better at
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2 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:
Miller should be the captain. It's obvious to me. Especially how he lead the team through the pandemic. It made Bo look small.
I agree. I want passion, emotion, get all fired up, lead the charge, bang the net!
Yeah even though Hughes wants it, I think Miller is the better choice for the reasons you gave.
Bo always seemed to do the bare minimum. Cookie cutter captain. When some intangible like the pandemic comes along that’s when real leaders step up-
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31 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:
Yep, he definitely wants it more than Petey.
I get the impression he’d be really bummed if he didn’t get the captaincy.
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What happened? Did "lets not talk" Bell buy Rogers or something?
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Sounds like management dropped the ball in regards to dealing with injuries again if Mikheyev is not ready to play at 100% by the start of the season. It would have been optically terrible to announce Mik would have to undergo surgery right after training camp last season, right after we got him. But it sounds like it would have been the correct and prudent move in the long run. He may have then even been able to test it out for a few games at the end of last season. And more importantly be able to work out more aggressively this summer to be ready for this season.
Hindsight is 20/20 of course. But if its true a player needs at least one full year to recover properly from this kind of surgery, ie. Roussel, then management has shot itself in the skate. If he's questionable for training camp, that does not bode well for any thought that he will be the player when he signed here to start in October this year. And may take most of the season to catch up, maybe taking him off the top six. I hope not. I do not get why any team would delay a needed surgery to a top six player, unless they were regarded to be a team on the cusp of a Stanley Cup contending season.
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Waiting here so bored
The season to get on board
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Who needs a singer?
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46 pages of opinion on being happy with the Hronek trade.
A player who has barely suited up yet for the Canucks.
Only on CDC
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47 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:
Still had a better NHL career than Juolevi & Virtanen (both drafted higher than him).
I was quoting canucklehead44 there and accidentally hit the submit button too soon
But I did pick Hodgson as most disappointing as a Canucks player, not as a league player. ie my disappointment with Grabner here (another one!) is not affected by his eventual success in New York. Disappointed in Cody’s on ice development being projected as future captain material and that he developed that injury/disease (though not his fault there) and in his overall attitude together with his helicopter father’s interference that Cody seemed in lock step with.
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On 8/10/2023 at 11:51 AM, canucklehead44 said:
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On 8/10/2023 at 11:51 AM, canucklehead44 said:
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David Booth - lived up to expectations his first season, and was a nice add-on despite us not having a good run. LTIR second season. His final season he fell out of favour as Torts hated him. He actually played OK in the roles he was given - on the 2nd line he was on pace for 23 goals and in the bottom six he played fine in that role (underlying numbers and hits were solid) but was paid too much. Given we traded Samuelsson in his final year after extracting a tonne of value out of him, dumped Sturm who was a mistake, and acquired a 3rd round pick out of it he was worth the gamble but didn't pan out.
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Micheal Ferland - I was super sad Ferland's career ended the way it did. Was so excited about this signing but we only got 14 games out of him. It is hard to place a guy who doesn't pan out because of injuries vs one who doesn't live up to expectations.
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Nikta Tryamkin - Sad he didn't come back but he was a 3rd rounder who gave us a season +.
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Keith Ballard - A great acquisition at the time who unfortunately had an undisclosed injury despite playing 82 games. He sort of falls into the Booth camp of he wasn't really that bad but pushed down the lineup and overpaid. This was a bit of a different era - fans were behind Ballard and more hate was directed toward Vigneault. What makes Ballard not so disappointing is part of the reason he got pushed down the lineup was Hamhuis who was excellent - if we never acquired Hamhuis things would have gone different.
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Olli Juolevi - Hated this pick at the time, but at least expected him to be a 2nd pairing dman for us. Maybe the most disappointing draft pick.
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Loui Eriksson - Eriksson was a very good player then signed in Vancouver and went to absolute crap.
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Jake Virtanen - I was never that high on Jake - even when we drafted him I thought he would be a 15 goal guy who hits.
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Alek Stojanov - don't remember
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Shawn Antonski - don't remember
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Jay Beagle - I know this signing was a disaster from the onset but Beagle was a bit worse than I anticipated.
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Mark Messier - Huge disappointment but they put way too much on the shoulders of an aging player. In hindsight he was actually far better than Eriksson (was top 2 in either scoring or points per game in his 3 seasons)
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Cody Hodgson - I was disappointed when he was traded, but he ended up having that insane medical condition anyway. Sad because if not for that I think he would have been better than Horvat and would have been our captain after Henrik.
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Oliver Ekman-Larsson - I knew he sucked - disappointed from the onset.
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Sven Baertschi - meh
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Vladimir Krutov - don't remember
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Linden Vey - stupid giving up a 2nd for a guy that would have ended up on waivers. Small, slow, didn't light the world on fire BAD pro scouting.
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Jordan Schroeder - I'd say Schroeder would have to be up there - he was anticipated to go top 10 and I really liked what I saw from him. Injuries and a bad environment from NCAA to the Chicago Wolves to John Tortella destroyed him.
It is kind of hard to put it in rankings, but I'd put it in this order:
1. Most underperfrming signing - Eriksson
2. Most disappointing draft pick - Juolevi
3. Saddest signing based on potential - Ferland
4. Saddest draft pick based on potential - Hodgson
5. Worst trade (at the time and in hindsight) - OEL -
6. Biggest cancer - Messier
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“It is kind of hard to put it in rankings, but I'd put it in this order:
1. Most underperfrming signing - Eriksson
2. Most disappointing draft pick - Juolevi
3. Saddest signing based on potential - Ferland
4. Saddest draft pick based on potential - Hodgson
5. Worst trade (at the time and in hindsight) - OEL”Yeah you almost have to categorize the failures into different kinds. Like one of the failures said “you can’t just eat one”
what is it about this franchise hiring people from other teams that had just eliminated us from a SCF? Keenan and Messier after 94, and then we hire Benning after 2011 to implement the “Boston model”
Virtanen, I never watched him play in junior so there wasn’t much to base any disappointment on. He basically played well below expectations from the start. I guess if it’s based on his draft position then I can see that. Same with OJ.
OEL whom Benning had tried to acquire a year before he finally landed his man, was already showing signs of decline in that final year in Phoenix. But that didn’t cause one moment of pause in our GMs quest. One of the dumbest signings in franchise history considering what we gave up and that we only had to wait out one more season for three other of Bennings questionable signings to be off the books
I’d have to say Cody Hodgson especially after watching him play in the World Juniors. Maybe tied with LE, and OEL for other reasons
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This thread has the same painful longevity as the contract itself
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2 hours ago, Citizen Erased said:
In all seriousness, I think they should see if they can hire Buble. He’s a local guy, a huge Canucks fan and he is not a phoney.
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50 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:
For a small player you need to make use of time and space. Garland is always initiating contact and doing spinaramas on the boards. His teammates always seem to have a tough time reading him. I find him very ineffective overall.
I think Garland would be good at logrolling. Maybe he should try that.
yeah I find him frustrating to watch at times. He's like Ronning without the hockey smarts. During one of his mesmerizing ice capades with the puck in the O zone, he might skate a couple of circles right around the net, deeking out 1, 2, 3, opposition players even, but during that time there are different moments (actually seconds) where a teammate is open for a pass & shot, but he'll keep the puck himself until he finally is pressured to shoot it from a terrible angle, many times right on the goal line. Fun watching him skate around and make the opposition look foolish, but that's not going to help put the puck in the net.
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On 7/21/2023 at 12:41 PM, Kevin Biestra said:
30 goal Boeser is a mythical creature like 80 point Petr Klima and >20 goal Jim Sandlak.
Or a 25 point LE
But on Boeser, I wish him the best. It happens to other players finding their game again, so no reason he can't, especially under Tocchet. I wasn't going to compare him with LE but there is one thing in common. Every season there was/is renewed optimism that this will be the season he will rebound to how he played when he was younger. No other comparison I can make between them though....I feel dirty now
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[discussion] forum closure
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No more %$#$@#$, Absolute f**king bullshit!
I'm pissed.
NHL has zero comprehension of how to keep their fans engaged.