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This is a tough one - had to go with Naslund for the greatest fleecing in Canucks trading history.
Getting the Sedins was the greatest for cunning.
Most impact would have to be getting Ronning, Momesso, Courtnall, and Dirk - although the Sedins would be close on that one.
Getting rid of a scandal laden Bertuzzi for Luongo has to be up there as well.
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On 9/13/2021 at 10:08 AM, Wanless said:
I think Kesler at his prime is a more valuable player than any on the list
However, he really only had 3 years of his full potential before his body started to break down. It's a shame that he couldn't build off of the 2009-2012 years and be that perennial Selkie winner like Bergeron or Toews
Kesler had two dominant seasons. I think that Demko, Brock, and QH will give us more than that.
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Given Brock and Demko haven't reached their prime, I can only speculate. Speculation leads me to believe both those guys will be better, for longer, than the rest of the guys on the list. Brock would beat out Kesler due to Kesler's "trending toward evil" disposition.
I left QH out, cause I haven't seen Eric Karlsson win anything yet - and he looks a bit like a grown up QH.
I have to go with Demko, viewing him through the lens of 'semi-finals v. Vegas' Demko - who looked like a top five in the league goalie.
Couple years ago at a coaching clinic Sutter, Bowman, and Crisp were asked what it takes to be a successful coach.
Darryl says "well, ya know.... went to san jose, got a pretty good goalie in Mikey Vernon, then on to calgary, pretty darn good with Kipper, then L.A., well we had Quick. If you wanta be a good coach in this league, get a good goalie!".
Goalies make or break season/playoff dreams - see Jack Campbell (cough).
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2 hours ago, Drakrami said:
dunno why people keep saying this when hes signed some big contracts like Bobby Ryan, Chabot, Murray, Batherson and now soon to be Tkachuk.
Bobby and Murray weren't great, but Chabot and Batherson are money in the bank.
I'm hoping I get one, maybe two years of sneaking Batherson in a 240 deep draft pool before people start to notice.
T'chunk junior is a great player that I'd have on my team any day of the week, but not at 8x8 if I had a say. A lot to lock that much up in a power winger likely to cap at 50/60 pts a year. Early results show Matthew (his brother) as having a wider skill set, and he's on a $7 mill bridge deal, which is around the same deal that Elias should get.
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7 hours ago, D-Money said:
The last 2 big RFA deals Benning signed - Boeser and Horvat - both dragged into camp. They both ended up solid deals for the team. Don’t expect this to turn out differently.
I agree.
While some past UFA contracts have been suspect, RFA signings have been alright, Virtanen excluded.
Let's keep that trend going.
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Love Linden, but no.
Sedins yes, Luongo maybe.
Harold Druken, a given.
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On 8/25/2021 at 3:33 PM, 250Integra said:
No offense but most hockey players aren't the brightest guys
If you're talking about all hockey players that would apply equally to all people engaging in some type of amateur sport. They would belong to the general population and most of them are indeed, not very smart (or bright).
Professional athletes though, in any sport, are generally above average intelligence. Maybe football or basketball were once was a home for dummies, but I'd say that has changed as well.
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On 8/25/2021 at 4:01 PM, iceman64 said:
I didn't finish high school and I ended up as a aircraft interior tech working on 757's and 737's on Iceland Air's fleet and West Jet respectively, so sorry but that holds about as much water as a Kleenex..
Very true. I found high school to a good waste of time.
Most professional athletes in any sport are generally smarter than the average person.
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35 minutes ago, wildcam said:
Well Barzal signed 3 X 7 million AAV last season...
I am predict 3 yr deal between 7.4 - 7.8 million range? Would be nice to get him signed at 7 million..
Barzal is at present a better player.
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Hughes 5.5 - he'll get more once his own end matches his offence - and he stops with the ozone giveaways.
Pettersson 6.5 - maybe 7.0, but he hasn't shown Barzal consistency yet.
done.
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The guys getting big money are getting too much in my mind. Especially the big dogs - who tend to decline sooner and quicker than the mid sized D. There's only a few guys like Pronger who were able to carry the big man game for many years.
Regardless, those guys getting stupid money all actually play defence, and contribute the offense.
Luckily for us, Quinn has yet to get real good at the D side, which he may never figure out.
Right now he's at Tyson Barrie, Macavoy type money.
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Bure was an easy choice.
No other Canuck has come close to dominating the way he did.
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On 8/7/2021 at 12:47 PM, Millerdraft said:
They did win a couple more Cups but I can’t remember at what point in their 8-year contract extensions they were at with regards to cap % hit. They had a steady pipeline of guys to take over for the departing cap casualties like Bolland (Shaw), Byfuglien/Ladd, (Saad/Bickell), etc, etc.
Edmonton has a potential gem in third line centre MacLeod (man can he skate) making peanuts but I’m not sure where else in their lineup they’re gonna find “equalizer” cheap contracts to offset these gargantuan deals. If the cap doesn’t start rising in large amounts Holland is gonna find himself squeezed. Hyman & Nurse eating $15m of cap space = yikes. However, I’m expecting McDavid & Draisaitl to artificially hold up Hyman’s numbers to make that $5.5m cap hit look okay as long as he doesn’t suffer a major knee injury like Roussel did or a Hyman with cement in his skates will be a reoccurrence of the Lucic contract…
No doubt. Seems like they're still a one line team though.
My buddy is an Oilers fan, and he's real excited about McLeod. I think most Oiler fans are.
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On 8/7/2021 at 2:57 PM, fanfor42 said:
Chicago won in 2010 2013 and 2015. During those years Kane and Toews each had a cap hit of 6.3M per year. The total cap was between about 58M and 71M total in those years. So they were eating up something like 17% to 21%.
Currently Kane and Toews each get 10.5 M eating up 25.7% of the cap and no cups since they signed those contracts in 2015/2016.
Thanks for searching that.
Yep, seems like all the eggs in two or three baskets doesn't tend to work out well.
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On 8/7/2021 at 3:10 PM, IBatch said:
Plus Linden...plus Babych, plus Ronning. Not just the 94 run but ones before and after. Until Linden was traded, after 89 where we almost buried the cup champs (OTTO kicked it in), that team was pretty much gaurenteed to make it to the second round. Even his second time through he still overperformed for his role. Without checking and truly i don't know, i'm going to bet Linden is the all-time Canuck leader in assists and goals come the post season. Sedins should be though.
Edit: Sure different eras but...look at the PGP all-time leaders ... only the Sedins and Samuelson for their era break the top ten. Guess who leads them .. 7, 8 and 10 ... At 11 is Horvat creeping up on D Sedin. Kesler at 14... not much ahead of Jovo.
Frickin' Otto!
I usually wear #16 for a reason!
The Jim Robson description of Linden after Game 6 vs. the Rangers gets me every time. He Will Play!!!
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1 hour ago, Millerdraft said:
There were articles quoting McDavid saying he took less than what he could’ve gotten but yes, Draisaitl was slightly different (they were comparing what Draisaitl got with what Pastrnak signed for iirc). Most did say Leon’s was a risk but other reports suggested he left a lot of money by signing on for 8yrs and that has proven to be the case. Regardless, there WAS a huge wad of cash left on the table that just got devoured by Nurse. The point remains: instead of spreading out the wealth Edmonton has gone full-Dubas.
Suddenly Edmonton is at the cap, with three big contracts. Hope the Canucks don't follow suit. So far it hasn't worked well for the Laughs, but maybe time will tell? - although I doubt it.
I can't recall the last team to win a cup with a couple superstars and middling fillers? Did Chicago win with Kane and Toews eating up 25% of the cap?
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7 hours ago, IBatch said:
One thing i know about possession, is, so far our 5 man box collapse doesn't allow for much of that. And another thing it's been passé since LA won its last cup and PIT won back to back with a middling possession team, but a top level counter attack. In other words there is more then one way to skin the cat. I'd rather be a possession team because rope a dope is tough to watch. I think removing Edler and replacing him with OEL will help our transition game more then anything. That gives us four guys who can pass the puck quickly and or just skate it out of the zone. OJ is a question mark but both he and Rathbone looked fine.
We need guys like Motte, Sutter and Dickinson. Take away guys ... Podz is also supposed to be an absolute animal when it comes re-gaining possession. We are going to love this guy i'm sure. Know you like to make bold predictions. If i was to make a bold prediction, it is just this : We won't likely ever be a top regular season team with this core, as in top 1-3...but we will be a better playoff team if JB keeps it up as far as who he wants on the ice come the post season. Building around Horvat was smart as heck. Guys clutch. We all either watched the 94 series or have heard a ton about how Linden also was clutch. How many goals did Horvat score again? He was on his way to obliterate Lindens 94 run and pass Bures.
They had a number of clutch guys on that team - very much not a top regular season team but great in the playoffs.
Greg Adams, Momesso, Murray Craven, Jeff Courtnall. They had a bunch of guys throughout the line-up that would come through.
If only Lafayette was clutch, and hadn't hit the cross-bar....
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If the Devils did give Hamilton 9 million for 7 years as reported I'd say that's one of the worst.
Glad the Canucks did not do that.
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Mike Hoffman 3 years @ 4.5 MTL
Jake McCabe 4 years at 4.0 CHI
Blake Coleman 6 years @ 4.9 CGY
Granlund 4 years @ 5.0 NSH
Wennberg 3 years @ 4.5 SEA
Hyman 7 years @ 5.5 EDM
Those all seem quite terrible to me.
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2 hours ago, I.Am.Ironman said:
Just because cap space is available does not mean they are going to be paid above market value. Quinn knows his cap - below heiskanen; EP knows his as well - below Aho by probably 1M.
They also know that only teams with balanced salary structures go far in the playoffs and remain competitive for years.
It was noted after TO got knocked out that the only team left in the playoffs with a player making $10m plus was Montreal, for Carey Price.
I reckon both Pete and Quinn will get Boeser like bridge deals. He was arguably the teams best and most consistent player last year.
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I was worried about our D before this, and I'm still worried.
Looking forward to bringing in a couple guys who can actually play D - something we've been lacking for a long time.
94' Canucks had a couple puck movers, and the rest were pretty much guys who could punch you in the face and block a shot with his forehead.
Different game, along time ago - but if you look at Tampa's D - pretty similar.
Although it would have been entertaining to see Miller ram Nate's face through a locker room stall, I'm happy to see the annoying little twerp gone. I'm sure the entire Canucks team is happy to have him gone - more addition by subtraction.
Good work Jim. Now please don't sign Hamilton.
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Boeser isn't a flake who's going to cry in his cornflakes.
He'll put on his big-boy panties and do what's best for the team.
He's been playing pretty decent lately - this stretch will only make him a better player moving forward.
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On 1/31/2020 at 6:45 AM, Nuxfanabroad said:
Love what JB has done to this info, in JUST 1 yr! We've leapfrogged the last 3 teams you listed here. In truth, wouldn't trade our 50 contracts with ANY of those teams that were rated so high, just one yr back...
No doubt. Hard to believe that was a year ago. SJ has fallen off a cliff - losing three centres will do that, and WINN has lost their back end.
Adding Miller up front and Hughes on the back end has made a tonne of difference. Not too mention, last year Stetch was in the top four, this year he's 5/6.
It's hard to pin-point the biggest difference this year. I look at:
1) A better rounded d-core.
2) Continued, if not better goaltending
3) Emergence of a couple younger guys (Virt and Adam)
4) All-star play of Miller
5)Hughes on the back end.
6) Loui Erikson legitimately in the top six!
7) Face-offs!!!
Is this a Cinderella year?
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Elias Pettersson | Quinn Hughes - Contract Discussion Thread
in Canucks Talk
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A bad October/November can kill a season. We've seen that with a number of recent Canuck teams. Tight systems early on can mitigate the transition from summer to game play, and the integration of new players.
The practice schedule is determined by the NHLPA. Teams aren't allowed to add more on-ice practice. Number of practices per month and time on ice are pre-determined. Teams like Vancouver who travel more lose out, since long travel days spanning two days count as hockey activities toward a player's overall time commitments to the team. Dan Bylsma once told me teams only get 4-5 on-ice practices a month, lasting no more than 45 minutes. I think all told, the bulk of "practice" time comes in training camp and pre-season.
In this situation though the two RFAs in question are familiar with the system, the returning players, and seem to be two of the smarter players on the team. They should be able to catch up quickly, and the new line-up depth might be able to get the team through Oct/Nov into a reasonable position in the standings. A top offensive D and forward are difficult to replace though - especially on the power-play - which needs to return to the form of two years ago.