[2023-24 Abbotsford Canucks Thread]

On 9/13/2023 at 9:26 PM, Kootenay Gold said:

I would switch Sasson and Aman and Karlsson and Klimovich. Also not sure if Rau or Keeper are still part of the team, I thought they left for greener pastures.

Agreed and updated!

 

NHL

 

Kuzmenko Pete Beauviller

Garland Miller Boeser

Mikheyev Suter Hoglander

PDG Blueger Joshua

Studnicka

 

Hughes Cole

Soucy Hronek

Irwin Myers

Rathbone Woo

 

Demko

Martin

 

 

AHL

 

Karlsson Sasson Dries

Klimovich Raty Podkolzin

Pearson Aman McDonough

Bains Nielson Bloom

 

Wouters, Arsenau, Gatcomb, Passolt

 

Hirose Juulson

Wolanin McWard

Brisbois Johansson

 

Daschke, Joyaux, Schmeiman

 

 

Silovs

Lemiuex

[2023-24 Abbotsford Canucks Thread]

Looks like we're going to have a great Abbotsford team this year. Assuming Hoglander, Studnicka, Irwin, Rathbone, and Woo make the canucks (I picked them because of their lack of waiver eligibility) I project the lineup to be:

 

Klimovich Aman Dries

Karlsson Raty Podkolzin

Pearson Sasson Rau

Bains Nielson Bloom

Rau

 

 

Hirose Juulson

Wolanin McWard

Brisbois Johansson

Keeper

 

Silovs

[Nils Åman | #88 | C]

Doesn't look like he's got a regular spot with Suter/Blueger signings. He's still waiver exempt and would make a great 1-2 punch at centre with Aatu Raty in Abbotsford. 

[(Article) Alex Edler Not Looking To Retire Yet]

Sounds like the perfect guy to have on a PTO. There's still a good chance he outplays the potential people we have slotted in LHD3

[(Article) Canucks' Tucker Poolman not expected at training camp: Report]

56 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

 

While injuries were unpredictable and honestly very unfortunate, this contract was never going to pan out.  It made zero sense for Benning to sign a 6/7 D-man to the 3-year special. 

 

Worse, 4 years. 

[Jonathan Lekkerimäki | RW]

10 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

The announcer sounds like he's reporting the weather. 

[[DEBATE] Which player is the greatest disappointment in Vancouver Canucks history?]

Hard to define disappointment. I think factors should include hype beforehand and what negative effect they left the team in. I'm not including people where the disappointment is a result of primarily an injury (David Booth, Michael Ferland, Cody Hodgson, and Sven Baertschi). Certain players I never watched I won't comment on (Alek Stojanov, Shawn Antoski, and Krutov). 

 

Nikta Tryamkin

 

He only cost us a 3rd round pick and although he showed he could play in the NHL, it was only at a 3rd pairing level. I don't believe his departure really affected the team as we just got similar skilled 3rd pairing dmen at UFA the following season.

 

Keith Ballard

 

This one may have cost us a cup. His large cap hit at the time (3/4 million) and the cost of acquisition (Grabner + 1st rounder) prevented us from obtaining better depth the last time we went to the finals. Ballard went from being a top 4 dman to having 7/8th dmen like Rome being played before him. The guy just fell off the map the moment he joined the team. The guy had more points the season joining us than he did the following five years. He was a cap anchor for three years we were competing for the cup.

 

Olli Juolevi

 

We have not had a draft pick that high bust so badly in a long time. This one stings because he was also not the BPA. Some may chop this one up to his injury but I don't. He had a terrible draft+1 before his injury issues. We desperately needed to develop dmen into our system at that time and our chronic issues and it is in part because Juolevi didn't work out. He wasn't even close.

 

Loui Eriksson

 

I would pick this one as the most disappointing. The hype was real for this guy coming in. I don't anyone predicted he would be so bad from the outset after having such a consistent career and just finishing off a season with 30G/30A. He looked amazing with the Sedins internationally. As far as I'm aware the Sedins even supported the signing. The guy then played at the level of a 3rd/4th liner for 6 years at the high cap hit of 6 mil. Some seasons he was our highest paid player. The signing sealed the end of the Sedin era and crippled the following on with Pete/Hughes/Demko. In part because of him, we lost important parts to our team after the bubble season (Tanev, Toffoli) and he is in part why we did the terrible OEL trade. Also, his contract prevented us from obtaining better long term contracts for Hughes and Pettersson. 

 

Jake Virtanen

Basically Olli Joulevi but not as bad. He wasn't drafted as high and he was at least was able to have a regular roster spot for a few years.

 

Jay Beagle

Overpaid but the expectations were relatively low to begin with. I actually thought our team lost something after he was traded as our PK has never been the same. Main disappointment was that he was a part of the terrible OEL trade.

 

Mark Messier

 

I know expectations are high but perhaps those were unwarranted. He was quite old when we got him, I'm not sure his stats were so bad that he sunk our team. If anything, I think if he stayed healthy we would've made the playoffs some of the seasons he was there. Furthermore, his contract was only 3 years and it was outside of the cap era. Nothing was stopping the owners from paying for a better supporting cast. I really think the concerns over Messier are overrated over players such as Eriksson. 

 

 

Oliver Ekman-Larsson

I did expect a top 4 D out of OEL so I was disappointed we didn't even get that. His cap hit and buyout is killer. This one is hard to rate because the effects of the buyout are still yet to be seen.  

 

Linden Vey

I mean we lost a second rounder. My expectations were already quite low and his cap hit was also low so it didn't really affect our team long term or even short term.

 

Jordan Schroeder

Basically Olli Joulevi/ Jake Virtanen except an even lower 1st rounder so lower expectations.

[We may already have our 3C...]

Joshua is great at faceoffs but his game is more tailored to the wing. Beauviller is terrible at faceoffs but I can see his defensive awareness and speed being great qualities for the centre. I think a combination of both on the third line with Joshua taking faceoffs for Beauviller. Not unlike when we used to do that with Miller and Petey.

[[Report] Predators fire John Hynes, name Andrew Brunette as head coach]

Anyone else feel weird seeing players you grew up watching as teenagers watching becoming most of the coaches now?

[[Signing] Vitali Kravstov signs with Traktor Chelyabinsk (KHL)]

He didn't look good in the 10+ games he was here. He seemed to get worse as the season which didn't bode well for him long term here. 

[[Signing] Dallas signs Lian Bichsel]

On 5/14/2023 at 9:41 AM, Warhippy said:

Check the lists.  Check what was stated about them.  Nobody was happy with the OJ pick but he was the consensus best defenseman even though lost of us had tkachuk and sergachev ahead of him.

 

White was the BPA at that time at his position but didn't fill a need for us at the position needed.

 

At days end picking BPA consistently has actually been a negative for the Canucks org

Well now you're just moving goalposts. The point your were making was BPA, not BPA for position of need which is contrary to the whole point of your post. Matthew Tkachuk was almost universally considered BPA for that draft. 

 

Here's some of the draft lists for Patrick White:

 

https://www.insidecollegehockey.com/7Archives/Draft/2007/predraft_ranks0536.htm

 

He was ranked #60 by Hockey News, #34 by ISS, #46 by TSN, and #21 by Mckeen's hockey. On the only list that ranked Patrick White better than where we drafted him, they also put Bill Sweat and Nick Petrecki in front of him who were available. Patrick White was NOT BPA. 

 

Awhile back we had someone do a couch potato drafter who did BPA based only on very simple stats. The couch potato regularly beat the Canucks drafting over the last decade. 

[[Signing] Dallas signs Lian Bichsel]

22 hours ago, Warhippy said:

He was one of my two picks last year.  BPA has done the canucks very little in the way of help over the past few decades.  Virtanen was deemed BPA by a few lists.  Juolevi was BPA on a number as well.  The issue with lists is when we see that redraft 5 years later we get the idea that the people making those lists hit far less than they miss.  

 

Grabner was the BPA in 2006.  Postionally though we needed a big bodied RW/RHC and RHD but passed on Lewis, Stewart and Giroux

2007 with the Sedins and Kesler on line we needed a quality LW and RHD and grabbed BPA Patty White, passed on Perron and Subban

2008, still needed RHD, RHC and an LW.  Took BPA Hodgson and passed on Karlsson

2009....still needed RHC, RHD and LW and took BPA Schroeder over Johansson Palmeiri and O'Reilly

 

If you go way WAY back to numerous draft threads on this very forum.  The BPA chosen by Vancouver has consistently not been the best choice over one of the more positional needs.

 

Bischel is a safe pick to be a 4-6 defenceman at his floor and that's a good thing for any team

Joulevi and Patrick White were not BPA. Virtanen could be considered a stretch too, he had some rankings all the way to the second round.

[[Rumour] Canucks getting calls on Conor Garland]

I mean there's basically no point to trading Garland at the cost of picks. You might as well waive him first and then buy him out as his buyout cap hit is super low. It hurts reading what you wrote Provost ^^

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54 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Didn't Scott Mellanby work for us previously? I forgot in what capacity.

[[Signing] Wild re-sign Frederick Gaudreau]

That's a great contract. I would've definitely been happy if that Canucks got him that contract.

[Worst TV shows you've seen]

You.

 

How this show continues I don't understand. The plot is so unbelievable that I cant take anything that happens seriously. 

[Nils Hoglander | #21 | LW]

I noticed he hasn't played games in awhile and that his last 6 games he had 0 points and a -3. Is he dealing with an injury?

[[Rumour] Canucks Planning to Target Barbashev and Gavrikov in Free Agency]

Barbashev is just another Dickenson, a player that only really plays well at wing. 

[[discussion] 3C targets for next season]

Blueger would probably fit our budget. Based on what i've seen on Raty, it seems clear he will be ahl bound next year. 

[[Report/Rumour] Ethan Bear Contract Talks]

I'd rather sign Stecher and he'd probably be half the price. 

[[Trade] Red Wings trade Filip Hronek, 2023 4th-round pick to Canucks for conditional 2023 1st-round pick (NYI), 2023 2nd-round pick]

Just now, N7Nucks said:

7-8mil? What the hell? In what world is he worth Ekblad, Carlson and Hughes money? You say some really outlandish sh*t, but yikes.

For an RFA contract with arbitration rights? Yeah 7-8 mil sounds right. 

[[Waivers] Kasperi Kapanen, Kevin Gravel]

I'm a little surprised we didn't pick him up. I felt like there were a lot of rumours of a Kapanen trade to the Canucks in the off season. He also seems to fit the mold management wants for our wingers which are speedy and good defensively (Mikheyev, Beauviller). I haven't watched him play but about 0.5 ppg seems pretty good for his cap hit. 

[[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at St. Louis Blues | Feb. 23, 2023]

45 minutes ago, coho8888 said:

You keep trying to make this inference that you need a top 3 draft pick to win the cup but then have to qualify it numerous exceptions?  not a very strong inference. No one here disputes the fact that to build a cup winning team, you need to draft well and develop those you draft properly.  Not having a top 3 pick does not mean you can't win the cup and having a top 3 doesn't guarantee that you win a cup.  To win a cup you need a lot of things to go right.  and BTW, Makar was not a top 3 pick either.

 

 

I mean the general sentiment is it's easier to build a contender/win cup with a top 3 pick than without. Is that not fair?

[[Waivers] Joey Anderson, Justin Kirkland, Chris Tierney]

I was more willing to give him the Lazar contract than for....well Lazar. Amazing how much he's fallen. Lazar hasn't been great but he is still good enough to hold a top 12 spot on our roster. 

[Jack Studnicka | #23 | C]

On 2/17/2023 at 9:17 AM, jyu said:

Guess people were happy with the performances of Lammi and High so they took it for granted that they would be re-signed?

 

Motte wasn't coming back but he had trouble finding a suitor until later in the offseason... maybe people thought that we could bring him back?

 

Whatever Allvin tried to upgrade the 4th line and PK, did not work. It made things worse.

 

 

I don't think we can say that it didn't work. Last year had Demko, this year we've had essentially AHL goaltending. The goalie is probably the biggest factor for a PK.