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11 hours ago, shiznak said:
I don’t think they need JRam at this point.
Their biggest weakness now is the bullpen. They need some insurance, if guys like Mayza, Richards, and Romano can’t produce like they did last year.
Agreed. They need to get at least one more good arm for the bullpen. I think they're probably hoping Merryweather fill finally be able to stay healthy (which has never happened) and that Pearson will also help. I could see them trying to trade Grichuk or Gurriel for a left handed bat, or poking the tires at what it would cost to sign Conforto. And then if they sign him, trading one of those guys after that.
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4 hours ago, Wilbur said:
They could, but they also like to rotate the spot around Bichette and the outfielders too.
Not to mention that the Jays aren't a great defensive team. and Freeman is a gold glove quality player. Unless you're a catcher, the gold glovers are too important to DH other than as a rest day every couple of weeks. Vladdy is still so young and he has some good hands and a good arm, and with the weight he lost last year, he was much more agile. I'd like to see them give him another shot at 3B rather than make him be the regular DH. Have him DH when Ryu pitches if need be.
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12 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:
Which is why it's a Minor league deal and is basically insurance, in case the bullpen has injury issues.
Some people are overly critical......
If you're going to be a good team, you have to have good depth.....and Biagini is NOT good depth. He's a bad pitcher, and if he ends pitching for them, then that's definitely not a good thing.
Some people can't differentiate their sensitive feelings from the facts.
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5 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:
It's a no-risk signing....but some people just like to tear others down.....
Some people are overly sensitive. He's a really bad pitcher, and the stats and facts prove it.
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2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:
I can't see CC moving to second or third and I think the Jays are set on Bichette being their Shortstop. Bryant makes more sense to me, but I'm still in the "trade for Jose Ramirez" camp....
I agree with that. Even though Bryant would be another righty bat, I like his versatility, because of the Jays poor outfield corner defense and the fact that Espinal can hold his own at 3rd. They have enough offense to carry Espinal's lack of power at 3B or at 2B if they decide to platoon him and Biggio there if they pick up a guy like Ramirez.
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2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:
I can't see CC moving to second or third and I think the Jays are set on Bichette being their Shortstop. Bryant makes more sense to me, but I'm still in the "trade for Jose Ramirez" camp....
That's a more logical
2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:
Although it's a low risk signing, Biagini is dog**** and his stats prove it.
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On 3/11/2022 at 12:49 PM, RUPERTKBD said:
JB's quirky brand of humor is going to be awesome to watch alongside the Jays' core....
....that is, as soon as Vladdy, Bo and Teo figure it out....
If the Jays are going to be as good as everyone is predicting, then you'll probably/hopefully never get the chance too see him alongside the core. Because Biagini is trash, and if he makes the team, then the Jays bullpen will be a bigger weakness than they're already worried about it being.
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On 3/7/2022 at 6:36 PM, gurn said:
What are they going to do?
Put a colored dot in 3 spots in the out field and the player can't leave his dot, till the pitch is thrown?
They're a lot more worried about infield shifts than they are outfield ones.
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1 hour ago, JM_ said:
mmm hmm. Still a cheaters cup.
The whiners will think so, but the facts tell a different story.
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2 minutes ago, JM_ said:
cheaters cup
Can't win if you can't score, and whining about it won't change the facts...or the outcome.
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1 minute ago, JM_ said:
or a 10 minute misconduct for getting punched in the face.
What difference did that make? They couldn't score!
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3 hours ago, JM_ said:
it was a cheaters cup. They don't win if the league doesn't tell the ref's to put the whistles away.
It's the same thing every playoffs and whining about only makes it sound like sour grapes. You need a team that is built for the physicality and attrition of playoff hockey, and Boston was a more well rounded team. If you're going to blame anyone, then blame Tim Thomas, because he was the one who the Canucks couldn't beat.
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On 2/10/2022 at 1:08 PM, RakuRaku said:
I'm still waiting............... for Di Giuseppe's call-up and to see him him play a game or two... we need his speed and physicality!!
I really wonder if Allvin will make a few trades to address our size/toughness dept as well as a solid LHD!!
With the new GM being a Swede, I highly (and sadly) doubt that adding size and especially size with some toughness is going to happen.
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12 hours ago, IBatch said:
It made some headlines early in his career. Lucic wouldn't fight the better fighters (Bieksa was no heavyweight can't blame him for not fighting those guys, was almost always the smaller guy, barely six feet and 190lbs - one "tale of the tape" had him 6'2 225 or something it was hilariously wrong, he's not much different then Chelios that way) and always beat on lesser guys, finally he did drop them with an actual enforcer and started to lose badly and called the refs in right away. And rightly so was flamed for it by the media. Bully.
I'm too lazy to find the fight but it's there. Lucic isn't worried about who's left and hasn't been probably for the latter half of his career. Walker would fight anyone, and all of them except for a few, we're much bigger - same as Rypien, but Walker wasn't fighting Prust, Neil and Carkner as his top quality either. Keane was a monster in juniors...Walker lost badly to Darren McCarty, who wasn't very good either, but would probably whoop everyone except Lucic and Chara today. I don't think Reaves would make it back then. Would lose too many fights and be out. McQuaid is a a solid fighter. Gudbranson too. It's a totally different league. Rypien, Asham, Tootoo, Keane, Walker types - you just don't see that anymore.
Edit: Pretty sure it was Colton Orr...
Just watched the Colton Orr fight and it wasn't that one. Lucic started the fight, and Orr definitely won, but Lucic didn't call the refs in. And based on the fact that he not only fought Orr, but started the fight, helps excuse him from being a spot picker and also disputed your comment about him not fighting some of the better fighters. Orr was one of the toughest guys in the league and also one of the hardest punchers. Lucic's fight card is littered with some of the tougher guys of that era.
I never said anything about Bieksa being a heavyweight, all I said was that he was a spot picker, and you can't dispute that. He was 6'1" and around 200lbs which isn't big, and yet he often found himself fighting smaller guys or non fighters. Even his peers called him out about that. I remember Ryane Clowe trying to fight Bieksa several times, and Bieksa always declined, and Clowe mentioned it. Clowe wasn't that much bigger than Bieksa, and he was a good player as well, so it's not like Bieks would've been fighting a heavyweight or some fourth line plug.
McCarty would NOT whoop everyone except for Lucic and Chara. The guys I mentioned would all hammer McCarty, and I could add other guys to that list too. McCarty was more brave and fearless than he was a good fighter. Buchberger was of the same ilk. You say that Reaves wouldn't make it back then, but he's tougher than McCarty was. He definitely wouldn't be the bully like he his in todays NHL, but he'd still have a role as a secondary type of guy.
I agree about the league being softer and not seeing those exciting smaller fighters that you mentioned.
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22 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:
Yeah Lucic has fought Boogeyman (Boogard), Chris Neil, and pretty much who's who of the tough guys other then Reaves. They actually came close to dropping them last year but it didn't happen.
If we wanted to get the toughest guy around, we could always inquire about Samuel Morin from the Flyers. He's currently rehabing from his third torn ACL though. He's had a really tough start to his NHL career.
I don't think that Morin tore his ACL a third time. From what I read, he had a procedure on the same knee that he's torn his ACL on twice and the recovery from that has taken longer than originally expected. In saying that, Morin is a REALLY big, tough dude.
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16 hours ago, IBatch said:
Not really. Petit did pretty good against Probert, and Walker pounded him. Walker vs Keane was one of the best middle weight fights ever. These guys just aren't very good anymore. Lucic stayed away from the tougher heavies early in his career when they were still around, and when he did fight them and started to lose called the linesmen in like the bully he is (picks his spots - big difference between Prout and McGratton)...yet he's probably the leagues only true heavy left.
Maybe Chara but even he wasn't that great at it against the biggest heavies in his NYI/OTT days when they were still around (although his punch power and reach is scary). Walker was fighting a way higher quality of opposition. He lost a few fights against guys that would beat Lucic, or at least not make him look so good. There isn't a guy in the league now that Walker wouldn't have fought, and not many that would have beat him, One of the best middleweights i've seen on our team if not the best - quality of competition matters. Sure i suppose there are a couple guys McQuaid being one of them if he's still around, maybe Reaves but really he'd lose most his fights pre 2010 ... none of these young guys impress much, and as soon as one or two punches lands the linesman are there to break it up - go watch Scotty's fights lol...Domi, Petit, Ken Baumgaurtner...his fight card is better then all but Charas and Lucic that much is for sure. Later in his career he didn't need to fight as much, because he was actually a pretty good hockey player too. Really happy he's back because i was sure pissed when we kept Zezel instead - losing Walker really hurt the WCE team, we needed another top six player badly - and there wasn't many like Walker even then, that could fight like that, hit like that and put up points.
I'm not saying that there aren't fewer tough guys in the league these days, as that goes without saying, and that's also why you could never compare fight cards. However there are still some guys around outside of Lucic and Chara who would be considered heavyweights who Walker would likely lose too. I'd also add Reaves, Gudbranson, MacDermid and Johnston just to add a few. Most of the guys Walker fought a couple of heavyweights in domi and Baumer, but they were both smaller guys with no reach. He'd have trouble with the bigger guys with a good reach who could also fight. And like I said, I LOVED Walker. Him and Rypien would've been a beauty if they had ever dropped the gloves.
You can't be a Canucks fan and call Lucic a spot picker when you support a team who had Bieksa play for it for a decade. I've also never seen Lucic call the refs in when he was losing, but I'd admit to being wrong if you could show me an example of it.
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4 hours ago, IBatch said:
Hey i thought it was EP now that Green is gone. Maybe we should just ask Scotty Walker to be our 13th forward and close this thread. He's tougher then all but maybe Chara and Lucic. Wilson's a baby.
I loved Walker and he was a tough little dude, but there's still quite a few guys in the league other than just Chara and Lucic who are tougher than Walker was.
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16 hours ago, Master Mind said:
In the sense that since he's a scumbag, it's possible he was a bad influence on other players. A lot of things went wrong in Utica, as evidenced by the lack of player development, so I don't assume they always made wise choices in who they kept around. Just look at who the Blackhawks kept in their organization, albeit it's a different scenario.
Regardless, it's just a thought. No way to prove it one way or the other, so it's petty to argue over. At the end of the day, it feels gross knowing we had him in our organization.
It's possible, but there's no proof he negatively influenced anyone. In my opinion, the lack of player development had more to do with the lack of actual good prospects.....and not much has changed since they moved to Abbotsford.
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21 hours ago, Timråfan said:
I thought our prospect pool was a bit younger than so… Do you think the older players or coaches babysits the guys around 20?
Follow them to parties etc.
Theses predators also learn how to manipulate people irrelevant of age.
Not all are dumb.YOU were the one who said that the coaches could've been manipulated by Boucher, and I'm questioning how. The coaches don't babysit the players, but the older players definitely look out for them. By all accounts Wacey Hamilton, Carter Banks and Darren Archibald just to name a few were all excellent older leaders on that team, and as excellent leaders they wouldn't let a guy like Boucher negatively influence any younger players.
Nobody said they were dumb, in fact it's often quite the opposite. But I think you're giving him an awful lot of credit saying that he probably manipulated men in their 20's, 30's and 40's like he did a 12 year old girl.
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31 minutes ago, Timråfan said:
Adult alpha males, it’s just kids that haven’t grown up yet. They just happen to be really good at sport.
Reid was an adult that couldn’t play at NHL level. That can lead to him being jealous and so on.
Sexual predators love the power they have over the weaker. It’s not all about sex.
I’ve worked with sociopaths/psychopaths and they talk $&!# about bosses, womens and ”strong” leaders that have different ideas.
The manipulation they do does damage because not everybody see the manipulation.
What are you talking about kids that haven't grown up yet? You insinuated that the coaches and players were manipulated by Boucher. Since when are coaches just kids who haven't grown up yet. You're talking about men in their 30's, 40's so exactly how have they not grown up yet? The players are also grown men in their 20's and 30's, so just because they're good at hockey doesn't mean they haven't grown up yet. And in fact, many have to grow up even faster than normal people do.
I said that predators like him prey on the weaker and vulnerable, but you're making a lot of assumptions about his influence over other his peers and elders, but have no actual facts to back them up.
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16 hours ago, Master Mind said:
I think @Timråfan makes a good point.
Now that we know Boucher's true character, it's possible/likely that he had a negative influence on teammates in Utica.
I'm not questioning that he's a scumbag, but I fail to see how repeatedly sexually assaulting a little girl 5 years earlier influences his ADULT teammates. He was a middling prospect at best, so do you think if he was having a negative impact on the other players, that they'd keep him around? They had quite a few older more established veteran leaders on that team, whose job it is to stop any of that potential crap from an individual player from infiltrating a locker room.
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21 hours ago, Timråfan said:
Do you really think he only manipulated that girl?
Reid was, if I remember it right, the best player pointwise in Utica.
Then you can do the math yourself.Do you have any proof that he manipulated any of his grown ADULT male coaches or fellow players - NO YOU DON'T! He's a sexual predator who preyed on a little girl. Most of those guys do that because they know they can prey on the weaker/more vulnerable.....and a large group of ADULT alpha males wouldn't let him do that and would likely deservedly beat his ass if he tried.
He might have been a top point producer, but he was never ever considered one of their top prospects. And anything on the ice has NOTHING to do with repeatedly sexually assaulting a little girl anyways?
Try and keep up.
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12 minutes ago, Timråfan said:
He was The player in Utica that took the no 1spot from our prospects.
As he seems to be somewhat of a psychopath he is a person thats manipulates coaches and teammates in a negative way.Get it?
WTF are you talking about? You said that it's another reason why Utica was a terrible place to be for a young player. This has NOTHING to do with Utica or anything on the ice. He manipulated and sexually assaulted a 12 year old girl, 5 years before he even became Canucks property. Show me where he manipulated the coaches and players. So no I don't get WTF you're talking about, and clearly you don't either.
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13 hours ago, Timråfan said:
One more reason why Utica was a terrible place to be at as a young player.
What in the hell are you talking about? What does Utica NEW YORK have to do with Boucher committing his crimes in MICHIGAN? He didn't play in Utica until 2017 and committed his crimes in MICHIGAN in 2011. How does one have anything to do with the other? Did you even read the article? He played in Vancouver in 2016 before he even played in Utica, so are you going to blame the city of Vancouver too for this scum bags predatory ways?
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[PGT] Boston Bruins at Vancouver Canucks | Feb. 25, 2023
in Canucks Talk
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I'm hoping that was said toungue in cheek.....because if it wasn't, then despite your bitterness, sour grapes and lack of obejectivity, the fact that he's only the 8th different goalie in the 100+ year history of the NHL (which probably includes a hundred thousand games give or take) to ever shoot the puck and score on the other teams net, proves that it is a pretty big deal. Pretty sure if it was a Canucks goalie scoring a goal, that most, if not all Canucks fans (including you) would be thinking that it was a siginifacant achievement and pretty cool. And I'm FAR from a Bruins fan, but that's not going to prevent me from taking away from a very rare accomplishment.