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Just now, canuck73_3 said:
You can make an argument that keeping that staff together and covering up for them is a competitive advantage.
You can definitely make that argument, I don't think it will easy proving your case. I find what the Washington Commanders did to be a lot more abhorrent than the New England Patriots, but one were docked draft picks and the other wasn't because the latter affected the competition on the playing field.
The Devils were attempting to circumvent the cap in unprecedented ways to diminish Kovalchuk's cap hit. The Coyotes got a scouting advantage by holding workouts with prospects. Those are cut and dry examples of teams getting an advantage over the playing field. I do believe that the 5M fine was a joke but there is no precedence for teams getting docked draft picks for conduct of employees/executives. Other recent examples are Dallas Mavericks (hid the misconduct of a front office executive) and Phoenix Suns (covered up the indiscretions of their owner).
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23 minutes ago, rekker said:
I'm still salty about the Hawks not losing their pick way back when the Beech scandal came to light. I gaurantee, absolutely gaurantee that if it were the Canucks or any other non favoured market, a loss of first round pick would of been the punishment. The scandal came about during their cup run and there were competitive benefits to not having it public during a cup run. Complete BS.
What happened to Beach is a PR nightmare, but I am not sure how you can argue that it gave the Blackhawks a competitive on-ice advantage. In all the major sports leagues teams have been punished when they have attempted to tilt a level playing field into getting an advantage over the competition. No professional team has been punished with loss of draft compensation for covering up scandals that offered no competitive advantage, its mostly just fines and personnel suspensions.
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14 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:
It's easier to believe in a silly conspiracy, rather than admit that this is a franchise that has consistently tried to make the playoffs, even when that was absolutely the best they could hope for....
...and now we're "surprised" that we consistently draft somewhere around #10?
I don't mind the conspiracies, to some extent I understand the feeling. I find the team morale and 'losing with honour' to be a lot more frustrating. It feels like I have been arguing with these same people for nearly a decade, only the phrases have changed, before it used to be 'losing culture' and 'look at Edmonton'.
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Just now, DeNiro said:
Never believed the Canucks would win.
Fully believe the league rigged it to send him to Chicago.
The NBA has been rigging lotteries forever. Not far fetched to believe a former NBA commissioner would be doing the same thing…
Any evidence to back up this claim? A lot of the NBA's superstars have ended up in small town markets and the NBA makes a lot more money when the bigger markets succeed. So if they are rigging the lottery then it seems counterproductive especially if the goal is to make money.
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Just now, CBH1926 said:
TBH i was hoping for Fantilli at 2, I feel like he will be the better player in the long run.
Team is years away from competing in the NHL.
Some on here that think they tanked on purpose have not watched how bad the team was.
Last season watching Ice Hogs and Wolves was way more enjoyable than watching dumpster fire of a team.
I think it was a tank by design, which was smart because they were headed towards being a middling team. Trading away Dach, Debrincat and Strome made it more painful in the short term but will pay off in the long run. I have always said that having competition in the form of other sports leagues/teams including the college sports scene forces professional sports teams in US to rebuild (except the Flyers but they are an absolute dumpster fire from top to bottom). We have too little competition in Canada, the owners know that we will pack the arena and people will watch the games regardless of performance. There really is no incentive to do things differently. Even when the teams here do tank they do it half-heartedly, they will accept a year or two of being bad but they won't really commit to it. People can talk about the league being rigged but I don't see a Canadian team winning for a long time and it all comes down to the fans and what they are willing to tolerate.
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10 minutes ago, 1-d said:
I have to feel for Bedard. The kid must be feeling like being forced to marry a woman who had dumped his dad and stolen his life savings.
I think Bedard's interview was refreshingly honest when he said that the excitement of the lottery is just for the fans. The players only see the business side of this, for them its all about maximizing earnings, better Chicago than Columbus or Arizona. Doubt he really cares too much about all the other stuff that we as fans care about such as rivalry or off-ice incidents.
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12 hours ago, Curmudgeon said:
Not only that, he generously passed on Quinn Hughes and took Filip Zadina instead. In 190 games Zadina has put up 28 goals and 40 assists. Hughes put up more assists this season than Zadina has points in his career. Thanks, Steve. With imagination and patience, Detroit could have Hughes and Hronek along with Seider.
Yzerman didn't draft Zadina, Holland did.
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On 5/1/2023 at 10:02 AM, WeneedLumme said:
Change of ownership? What an incredibly stupid idea. Yeah, maybe we can get a good owner, like a Melnyk, who will take the team to another city and turn it into a salary floor team. NO, the grass is NOT always greener elsewhere, it only looks that way to the extremely shortsighted.
Melnyk saved the Senators from being moved to another city so that's an odd example to use. Also this isn't the 90s anymore, it makes zero fiscal sense for the NHL to move a longstanding brand in an established market to another city. The reason why relocation was even a scare in the 90s was because of the Canadian dollar and the league's financial model at the time. Those concerns are irrelevant now, there is a salary cap in place and unless the Canadian economy collapses the dollar isn't going to be a concern. The NHL board of governors would have to vote to approve a relocation, no matter how badly an owner wanted a move. There would be 15 teams that would be on the chopping block before the league decides to move the Canucks. The "stupid idea" is giving any credence to the possibility of relocation and pretending as if the Aquilinis are the ones keeping it from happening.
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I hate the Flames as well, but with the right hire they can bounce back and make the playoffs next year. I don't expect they will make it far but I don't think Flames ownership is too ambitious and will be happy with that result.
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Clickbait headline, no one is "outraged". The customers have a right to take their business elsewhere just like a private business has the right to ask anyone loitering to leave. No one's rights are being trampled upon.
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41 minutes ago, King Heffy said:
Character issues. You think that gutless coward wouldn't have disgraced the Canucks with his refusal to act like a real man on or off the ice? That turtle has no place on a respectable team; Calgary was the perfect place for him.
The objective is to win games not to earn favour or respect and Tkachuk is a big reason why the Panthers are moving on. He would have been a difference maker on the Canucks as well, lets not kid ourselves. Also we wouldn't have the same issues re-signing him as the Flames did. I don't see the point of bringing it up anymore as it has been 7 years since that draft, its time to move on.
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Just now, Jaimito said:
Even Sedins said it. Just get in, you never know.
2012 kings knock out prez trophy nux can relate.
The Kings dominated those playoffs and then turned into an elite team in the years that followed. People seem to be forgetting how dominant the Panthers were last year and they have been playing stellar hockey ever since I have followed them (right around the time Horvat turned heel). We still have to wait and see how they do in the following rounds.
I don't agree that its a matter of just getting in, if it were the Oilers and the Leafs would have gone deep by now but they have disappointed every year because of poor goaltending and defense. We still have some building to do before we are ready to make a run, and we probably have to go through a bit of tough defeats in the playoffs before our core is ready to hoist a Cup.
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13 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said:
Does anyone know why John Garett didn't do the colour commentary for this game?
Someone posted a Dahliwal tweet earlier in the thread that said that he had a family event, hopefully its nothing serious.
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4 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said:
We just hate the Leafs more or way more.
People are assuming the Cats are an easier matchup. The Panthers are more physical and have looked more hungrier, Barkov is a monster while Bergeron still doesn't look like himself.
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1 minute ago, Wise Guy said:
But accomplished in 2012.
Not really, the Kings dominated that whole playoffs.
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No surprise that the dopes at the DOPS were asleep again. I am convinced there is no process, these tools are just waiting to see if there is a media/fan reaction and probably don't even review these plays.
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2 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said:
I think the rest of my post shows exactly why Bergeron is the most effective two-way forward in the league. It's the right mixture of scoring and not getting scored on. It's about being able to convert defense into offense. And contrary to handful of folks here who believe Bergeron is a reputation vote and not offensively productive, every statistic points toward Bergeron being #1. Nobody can do it better than him - not even McDavid.
I don't dispute that. I agree with you that Bergeron is a deserving winner. I just think the criteria for the award needs to be more clearly defined than it is now. 'Two-way' implies that offense is part of the equation and it doesn't specify that we should disregard PP goals. McDavid had 95 points more than Bergeron this year, that is a staggering number. There is just no way that Bergeron can make up for the difference in productivity by his impact defensively and hence I believe the award criteria needs to be defined more clearly so that less people are confused about what the award actually means like they are in most discussions when the Selke comes up.
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1 minute ago, AnthonyG said:
At the same time though, almost 50% of McDavids points are on the PP. He doesnt even have the most points 5v5. Mackinnon does then Pastrnak. McDavid has 7 more points at ES than Pettersson. Its quite remarkable what Petey accomplished this year and also had the most SH goals and points (tied with Miller in both categories) so really how much does PP points get weighed in those types of votes? Sure he’s absolutely insanely dangerous on the PP… but that also comes with having an advantage
Absolutely true but PP goals also count towards one half of "two-way" and since they don't mean any less than 5v5 goals, they are just as impactful on the scoreboard. I just don't think the criteria for the Selke makes any sense and it needs to be changed to make it distinguishable from the Hart trophy, which already goes to best forward in the league.
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3 hours ago, Bob.Loblaw said:
If you're trying to use pure scoring productivity as a core metric for who's more deserving of the Selke, than Connor McDavid is the man. That argument doesn't make sense for obvious reasons, but let's do a direct comparison between Pettersson and Bergeron.
I disagree I think the argument actually makes logical sense. I actually think they need to change the criteria of the award, two-way means we have to take offense into the equation and McDavid's offense this year imho is more impactful that the defensive impact of any player that will eventually win the award. I think the award criteria needs to be changed to most impactful forward defensively, that means we no longer have to consider offense which is what the award should be.
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11 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:
If the Panthers somehow knock off the B's, I'll definitely be pulling for them next round....but if Boston wins, I'll be on the Leafs bandwagon for one more round....
Agreed. The most satisfying moment of the playoffs the last few years was Rat-face turning the puck over against the Blues and crying his eyes out. Hoping for more of the same this year.
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Just now, CBH1926 said:
I find it bizarre that some Canucks fans would cheer for Boston or the L.A
Recent loses in the SC, especially the one in the SCF in 2011.
Marchand low bridging Salo, Boychuk breaking Raymond’s back or even that huge hit that Dustin Brown delivered to Henrik.I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
I am cheering for the Panthers all the way, I think some on here are underestimating them. They are playing way better than the Leafs have this series.
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I thought this was the guy that nixed a trade to the Canucks but a bit of googling and realized that was Jason Demers. I think I got them mixed up as ex-Sharks defenseman. I was about to tell him to go pound sand in retirement, but will instead just wish him the best of luck.
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2 hours ago, hammertime said:This thread is crap. Bo deserves better. Maybe he was right the fans in this city are crap.
He gave us nearly a good decade. I'm glad we didn't sign that contract but I hope he continues to have success in his career post canucks.
He had plenty of support until he chose to make that remark. I don't hold any ill will towards him but I cannot root for the Islanders anymore. Hope they lose in painful fashion.
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[Discussion] Draft and Off Season Talk
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Bedard refusing to play for the Blackhawks has no positive impact on any of the above. The Blackhawks need to go about making it right with the victims, its not the responsibility of a 17 year old kid who wasn't even part of the organization at that point. If you are going to do a deeper dive into the history of professional sports organizations you will find some rather disturbing details. Heck even if you look outside of professional sports you will have find history is littered with atrocities. It seems only in recent times the some people believe that we need burn everything to the ground in order to have any actual progress.