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It’s not even loading the new site this morning. Will assume preseason bugs.

[[Rumour] Gudas rejected offers from three canadian teams]

Nothing to see here. Players have been doing this for years.

[[Signing] Sabres sign Zach Benson]

5 hours ago, Caboose said:

Can see this kid making PA+Rutherford, plus all the others that passed on him, look really stupid. 

 

He's gonna be some talent.

I can’t shake that gut feeling that we’re going to regret not drafting him.

[[Report] Derek Clancey no longer Canucks assistant GM, joins the Maple Leafs]

15 hours ago, DrJockitch said:

So we are pretty much a development team for players for Calgary and staff for Toronto?

I mean they hired Sanford, Nonis, Burke, did the plane run out of gas in Calgary on the way this time so they took Treliving instead of finding the cave Benning is hiding in.

On the one hand it means that we’re doing something right with the initial hire, but on the other hand do we have a problem keeping good people, and if the latter then WHY???

[Podkolzin welcomes his first child!]

On 7/11/2023 at 11:55 AM, Elias Pettersson said:

Podz shaved his head, he looks like Petey now...   

Will make him more streamlined so he can skate faster. 
 

Sort of like Homer’s speed holes:

 

[[Signing] Canucks sign Teddy Blueger]

I’m just excited I’ll now be able to say the name Blueger without people looking at me funny.

[2023 NHL Entry Draft]

11 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

Button didn't like Vertanen or Joulevi if I recall

You are correct. Button was the only guy who had Virtanen around 25 iirc.

[[GDT] ‘Tis the Dog Days of Summer, Are we Thinging Before Training Camp?]

4 minutes ago, gizmo2337 said:

We should do someThing. Acquire Toffoli for Raymond, Ballard, and a 3rd.

LOL.

 

You’re way undervaluing our package here.  We should be able to get a first or second round pick plus a teams’ top prospect.

 

 

[Interesting note from Steve Simmons today about who will replace Cheech]

2 hours ago, DrJockitch said:

Conflict of interest. LOL. 

This is a colour commentator, their job is to pump up the fans and provide interesting facts. They aren’t journalists, they are story tellers. 

Bingo. Hence the term “colour”. 
 

Ray has so many stories to share and imo will pick right up where Cheech left off. He’ll be a fantastic addition if this is true.

[(Rumour) Canucks Blackhawks at the draft]

1 hour ago, DrJockitch said:

The biggest problem this management group has had is creating opportunities/cap by moving out players. If we could move Myers without having to add pics it would be worth it for the space and for the open slot on D that a player that may be potentially useful when we are decent again would be worth it. The likely price of trading Myers though makes it worth it to hold on though and hope a team at the deadline is foolish or desperate enough to trade any assets for him. 
I don’t look at the JTM trade as a success, I look at team success and he hasn’t brought any, or at least he has only brought us to the squishy middle.  Maybe they can turn things around but the JTM trade marks the incredibly foolish shift from retool to win now when the team and the prospect cupboard was nowhere near ready and we have been walking down that wrong path since.

We are stuck now in win now mode and I suspect another first rounder is about to fly out the window (though I think next years) for another attempt at a mad dash for the WC for a season or two. 

This exactly. We have zero flexibility and every GM in the league knows that we have to move out salary. Any trades we make will likely have sweeteners on the way out, meaning either more picks or more prospects on the way out of town.

 

This management team made their decisions with signing JTM and trading the first rounder for Hronek to reduce any flexibility we might have had.

 

Both these moves make sense for a team that’s on the upswing and ready to compete now. Not for a team with little prospect depth, few draft picks and handcuffed by cap mismanagement.

 

I don’t think anyone would argue that individually and in a vacuum that these moves are good ones. But much like loading up your credit cards and punting the consequences down the road, there is and will be a huge long term price to pay for the hope of one good season next year.  So much for new managements goal for long term sustainable success.

 

Now I’m just hoping we can win a cup in my lifetime.

 

 

 

 

[Rogers Arena Upgrades]

On 3/30/2023 at 8:46 AM, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

It was a while ago they had said they would be announcing something soon and it's been crickets since. I know they were talking about arena upgrades. Has anyone heard what those may be? I am just wondering if a new practice rink is going to happen?

Aquaman pulled out of a deal with the owners of the Plaza of Nations property across the street for reasons unknown.  My guess is they tried to screw the property owners at the last minute.
 

Idiots imo as that’s the perfect site.
 

The property owners were never told why and if iirc, might have even been suing Aquilini for a costs they incurred.

 

If true we shouldn’t be surprised as this is the way this owner does business. There’s a long list of lawsuits against ownership across all their companies.

 

 

[Rogers Arena Upgrades]

4 minutes ago, Chicken. said:

Those look a hella of a lot more comfortable than the maroon ones... thanks Aqua!

They’re likely limited to club seats…not us riff raff.

[(Rumour) Canucks Blackhawks at the draft]

Don’t like it but would understand it. And only if they can take OEL and say Boeser or Garland.

 

I can then look forward to Boeser, who’s a good dude and person, score 50 goals on Bedard’s wing. 

[11th overall pick in the 2023 Entry Draft]

15 hours ago, Alflives said:

I’m thinking we get either ASP or Benson. Either one brings us elite skill and a high ceiling. ASP as a top pairing D snd Benson as a top line forward. Would be a great draft to get one of them. 

Now imagine if we still had the Horvat first rounder and possibly having both these players. 
 

I still believe we’d be further ahead in three years going the draft route than we’ll be doing what we’re doing now. 

[[Signing] Vitali Kravstov signs with Traktor Chelyabinsk (KHL)]

Good riddance. We need to stop being a dumping ground for projects like this.

[(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller]

34 minutes ago, LegionOfDoom said:

A bad contract? I think majority of the fan base will agree miller is worth every penny of his contract, gotta stop listening to drance and his minions 

I should’ve been more clear, I didn’t mean Miller’s deal is a bad contract (although I believe it’s not the right timing for our team at this stage) but what I meant was that perhaps we can get a team to take one of our bad contracts along with Miller without them having to give us any assets. 

Wishful thinking I suppose.

[(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller]

13 hours ago, BertaNuck said:

Any one else think there is still steam behind this rumour 

 

i think JT is moved before next season, management is still looking for a shake up 

 

rumour at TDL was a trade was close with Pittsburgh but could be more of an off season move 

IMO, the market for Miller should be wider given the really strong teams that have been eliminated earlier than expected and that could obviously use him to get over the hump.

 

I’m hoping that new GM’s around the league looking to make a splash will be more willing to pay up in terms of assets or taking a bad contract.

[Linden Partners in Domestic Violence Campaign]

Saw this in Global News. Thought it was well done and very powerful. 

[[Discussion] Draft and Off Season Talk]

My biggest fear being set in motion…that a Blackhawks rebuilt core with Bedard will win another Cup before we get our first.  Almost resigned to this now.

 

 

[[Report] Canucks fined $50K for violating offseason training rules for players]

21 hours ago, Devron said:

Surprised bettman didn’t take our pick away 

He’ll do it at the draft retroactively.

[[Signing] Canucks sign Max Sasson]

7 minutes ago, HKSR said:

More!! More prospects!! Sign em all!!!!  Fill the cupboards!!!

This exactly. It’s the Pittsburgh model.
 

Always wondered how they’d always have another “no name” young player ready to make the leap from Wilks-Barre. This is how. Keep ‘Em coming. 

[[Signing] Canucks sign Kirill Kudryavtsev]

Boy does Milstein have a lot of leverage with this team. Better not piss him off. 

[Get Drance some crow]

2 hours ago, MeanSeanBean said:

 

He often is. But I don't think the content of his words is nearly as negative as people think he is. His personality is off putting, but that's why he's made it as far as he has. He's interesting, and makes people take interest. Whens the last time you heard anyone talk about Shah or Riccio around here. No one cares until someone goes on a rant.

 

The majority of the time (not all the time) the things he's critical about are fair points. Right now he's incredibly focused on the cap space and lack of flexibility this team is going into the offseason with. That's 100% valid. How is one of the worst teams in the league also have the most cap committed next year?

I just think that his message is not really understood sometimes. I mean I actually laugh at some of the words he uses because i don’t know what they mean half the time. But I understand his overall point that by doing what they’ve done the team has put itself in a pickle.

 

I think it’ll probably hit home for most this summer when the team can’t find trade partners willing to take a bad contract without significant incentives.

Like maybe that first round pick burning a hole in Rutherfords pocket. And maybe more.

[[Trade] Red Wings trade Filip Hronek, 2023 4th-round pick to Canucks for conditional 2023 1st-round pick (NYI), 2023 2nd-round pick]

56 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Here's my prediction for the rest of the deadline....

 

The Canucks will make no major moves. After it's all over they'll offer some platitudes about how they're comfortable with the moves they made and the group they have moving forward....

 

My suspicion is that they tried very hard to move Cap (probably Boeser, Garland and Myers) but were being lowballed (or asked to retain) because other teams know they're in a Cap crunch....

 

BTW: I'd love to be proven wrong on that front.

No doubt they tried hard to move cap. But it ain’t that easy. Which is why the whole win now plan doesn’t make sense.

 

In order to move their previous mistakes, they need to make it worth it to another team by retaining salary, taking back other bad contracts, or offering sweeteners like picks and prospects.

 

But by doing what they’ve said they’d do, they have much less room and opportunities to do any of that.

 

Sure buyouts can provide some relief but you still have to sign players so the team will probably have to wait until some of their bad contracts come off the books in the next 2 or 3 years without being able to truly build around the core until then.

 

Seeing that we’d be in this position for a good couple of years, now would’ve been a perfect time to collect the high picks needed to draft future stars and have the draft capital needed to really make an impact.

 

I believe now we’ll be having the same discussions about the dearth of high end prospects and roster depth in 3 years that we’ve been talking about for the last three. 
 

I hope I’m wrong. Very very wrong.

[[Trade] Canucks trade Curtis Lazar to Devils for 2024 4th-round pick]

Of course it’s about cap. 
 

Sadly this so called retool that currently leaves us over the cap and with depleted draft capital will IMO cause us to once again simply play around the fringes of this roster once again, just like the previous management.