MeanSeanBean

I was iffy on this draft pick (mostly because I was a Benson fan boy) but how can you not love this kid. In every interview he just seems like such a character

The Minnesota Wild are fortifying the crease with Hart's back up, from Montreal, Sam "Snacks" Montembeault.

@NMHockeyhave a great pick

The Minnesota Wild are happy to pick Noah Östlund

Careful now Gurn, you're treading awfully close to 'hater' territory.

I don't recall any other times I have debated Deb, when was another time? We're not fighting, but if you call someone out they might question you.

So because I have a different opinion on if Miller should be captain, I'm a hater? I even said I thought he should wear an A. So there's only 1 right opinion on subjects and everyone else is a hater?

As much as I love the puns... Is his name pronounced pie-us or pews.

Out of curiosity what have I said that's made me a "hater" as you so eloquently put it.

You're god damn right

Huh, that got oddly personal for your first comment on the subject.

It sucks, cause Sarah is so pretty. But your eyes are immediately drawn to Zegras thighs... It's like a train wreck, you can't look away

Tell that to my eyes everytime I booted up the last NHL games and had to look at Zegras thighs for 6 seconds...

Still is

100%. The fun thing is, I actually believe the Miller stuff was generally overblown. But that doesn't change the fact that the Schenn, Delia, multiple lazy back checks and leaving the bench early (that was this year alone) were all prime examples of what a captain does not do. I'm fine with a star player doing those things, as long as you have a leadership group that can be the counter balance to that type of volatile behaviour. I think rewarding that type of behaviour with a captaincy would be this franchise, who's trying to change the culture, shooting themselves in the foot. Even Petey has moments where he smashes the stick on the bench out of frustration. But Tochett said himself that https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/back-to-grade-school-canucks-tocchet-plans-to-reteach-the-basics-after-blowout-loss/“We’ve got to strip it down and we’ve got to just, you know, make people understand how important it is to do these hard things to win. It starts from the first goal, throwing a puck away and we give their best player a breakaway to start. The ball starts (rolling) right there. Then you get some guys get frustrated, smashing sticks. No more smashing sticks and stuff. You can’t be entitled in this game. It’s a hard game to play and we’ve got to stick together.” ironically, if I remember correctly, this quote about smashing sticks was in regards to JT smashing his stick on the bench). But I think Petey will learn to control his emotions over time, he's only 24. Miller is 30, I suspect what you see is what you get with him, for the most part. I think Miller is an important part of this teams leadership going forward. He should wear an A, no doubt in my mind. But I think he would be arguably the worst pick of the players who are a serious candidate to wear the C.

Totally fair Beered, it's not everyone's cup of tea. But it's the captains job to answer the bell to media. Horvat even took a lot of heat about his job as captain. But he stood infront of a microphone for a lot of really rough years and I respect him for that. It must be incredibly difficult to be a captain in a franchise with such a passionate fan base when the team is in a down decade.

Historically or currently? Currently on the team it's Hughes and no question. Guy is articulate, thoughtful, and has thick enough skin to do the job. Historically, I assume Linden. But to be fair, I was to young to understand the importance of the media aspect of the job when he was in charge. I only remember on the ice. So i'd say Hank. He always stood up there and gave meaningful answers. Even when all of Vancouver's heart was broken, he stood tall and did the job with respect and dignity.

In my opinion, this is entirely incorrect. The captain's entire job is to deal with the media. The leadership groups job is to deal with the refs and keep moral up in the room with the team. But the captains job is to stand in front of the media night in and night out, through the good and the bad.

"When you're talking about more than one, you're talking about multiple things. A machine with many fixtures has multiple parts. A person that seems like two totally different people on different days might have multiple personalities." -vocabulary.com a number that can be divided by another number without a remainder. -Oxford You continually bring up multiple for whatever reason , so here is the definition of multiple. Just so we can put this one to rest.... Fast-paced, physical game is not an excuse. Every player on the ice is playing the same game. No one else is acting like JT does as frequently as JT does. Do we need more volatility? Your opinion seems to be yes, mine is no. I played high level team sports and competed in boxing and at no point did any of my coaches ever once suggest I should be more volatile. Never once, only that you control your emotions so you can preform to your highest ability. You seem to have a different opinion, and that's cool. He sulked of the ice, doesn't matter if it captures "who he is". None of us know "who he is", yourself included. We can only judge him on his play on the ice. He seems like a good guy, but even a good guy can make big mistakes. A grown adult leaving the ice early because he messed up doesn't show captain material in my eyes. No, Drance is generally one of the more negative media members. He has every right to be, the teams been generally bad for 10 years.. But personally I like hearing his take on things, so I listen to him. As well as nearly all other sources of Canucks media, at least on 650. You making a blanket statement about Drance and ignoring the intricacies of how he has generally spoken about Miller is insincere, in my opinion. We can agree on not seeing eye to eye on the subject though, I'm good with that.

The Halford and Brough podcast went over this in detail on a believe Friday. Is was Jamie and Bik, I believe. If you want more information you can do back and listen to is yourself. I'm not gonna bother digging up time stamps for something that won't change your opinion anyways. I really don't know what your Pits trade is trying to prove. It's evident that Miller was being discussed heavily in trade talks. Just because it didn't happen, doesn't make him wrong. Frank said it the Canucks felt it was in their best interest to trade him and were discussing options. Given he was in trade rumors for the better part of 2 years, right up until his NMC kicked in, feels like that's a fair statement. Where there's smoke, there's fire. I really don't know what posting one Drance clip has to do with anything. Didn't you just criticize me for focusing on one negative aspect while ignoring the big picture? Then you post one hit that highlights a negative and willfully ignore the grandeur scope of things where Drance has generally been one of the more positive media members in regards to Miller, outside maybe Shah, since the whole keeping Horvat vs Miller thing starts coming up last season. Particular when the thing he criticized Miller about in the clip was leaving the bench early. Drance has every right to be critical about that. It's one of prime reasons why Miller is not captain material in my eyes. A captain doesn't sulk off the ice when the going gets tough. Did he believe Miller should have been traded, yes. As do I. Signing a 30 year old for 7 years was a bad call. I'm glad they traded Horvat, and I think they should have traded Miller. That's not jumping the bus, that's speaking about the logistics of the situation without being burdened by emotions.

Drance actually has quite a solid relationship with Miller. There was a lot of speculation about Drance being the target of JTs ire in his recent podcast hit. But different media have reported it's unlikely Drance because they get along well. Drance has also generally been supportive of JT, as far as Drance goes. One of the most generally accepted credible sources in NHL media is Frank Seravalli. I can't even say when he reported about Millers reputations or I'd risk getting a warning.

I'm not going to get into linguistics of "multiple" with you, but by definition multiple is 2. I can think of 2 off the top of my head, and I won't even mention all the media stuff that's been rumored about him in the locker room because it's hearsay. When your picking a captain, he's the face of the franchise. You have to look at every aspect. Why turn a blind eye and play willfully ignorant against the negative aspects of situations. If you want to do that, cool, no harm no foul. That's not part of my consideration process when making major. decisions You are right, you won't change my mind. No one would dare try to change yours Deb. I've already said it, I'll say it again. Agree to disagree. I think he would be a terrible option for captain and you can hope they anoint him till the cows come home.