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#1 FlappyLappy

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:56 PM

Hey Guys,

Im in need of some career advice. Currently I have a college diploma and working on my applied degree. I also have 4+ years in accounts payable and receivables, and am active on my job search have had 3 interviews in the last week and 2 more coming up.

I am doing some temp work for an investment firm (doing data entry). There is not much room for growth there other then Team lead of AP (big woop) and they have offered me a permanent position at $34,500 (yuck i know).

I am just not sure if I should take the safe bet and this job or keep looking for bigger and better based on my education and work experience so far. the main reason I am debating this is I have to do a 8 month practicum to get my applied degree but I cannot start that till January. So I am really stuck on do I take the job I am way over qualified for and absolutely hate but will get my practicum or do I keep looking for something I have experience in.

BTW I have to finish my degree by December 2015-2016 so there is still time, just very unsure.

Please help an aspiring accountant.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:05 PM

Is there any reason it has to be one or the other?

Why not take this job for now and continue to seek bigger and better? Just as an employer typically puts new people on probation, you can also put the employer on probation. If they aren't the right fit, or if you find something better, you can always move on.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:06 PM

Get a government job.

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Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse.



 

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:16 PM

I'm a CA.

I know that doesn't help, I'm just bragging.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:37 PM

I'm a CA.

I know that doesn't help, I'm just bragging.


There's a thread for that.

http://forum.canucks...how-off-thread/

:lol:
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:41 PM

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#7 FlappyLappy

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:51 PM

Is there any reason it has to be one or the other?

Why not take this job for now and continue to seek bigger and better? Just as an employer typically puts new people on probation, you can also put the employer on probation. If they aren't the right fit, or if you find something better, you can always move on.


Thanks for the reply, the reason I am not taking the permanent position is the staffing agency I am through right now is paying me the same amount, as if I took this position permanently. I cannot stand the job 9+ hours a day of just entering data, nothing new and exciting. The only thing I am torn about is if I miss out on this opportunity and cannot find something else then I am royally screwed

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:57 PM

Forbes had this article a few months ago that sums everything up perfectly for career oriented individuals that dare to dream of what they actually deserve:

The Six Enemies of Greatness (and Happiness)
These six factors can erode the grandest of plans and the noblest of intentions. They can turn visionaries into paper-pushers and wide-eyed dreamers into shivering, weeping balls of regret. Beware!


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1) Availability
We often settle for what’s available, and what’s available isn’t always great. “Because it was there,” is an okay reason to climb a mountain, but not a very good reason to take a job or a free sample at the supermarket.
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2) Ignorance
If we don’t know how to make something great, we simply won’t. If we don’t know that greatness is possible, we won’t bother attempting it. All too often, we literally do not know any better than good enough.
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3) Committees
Nothing destroys a good idea faster than a mandatory consensus. The lowest common denominator is never a high standard.
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4) Comfort
Why pursue greatness when you’ve already got 324 channels and a recliner? Pass the dip and forget about your grand designs.
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5) Momentum
If you’ve been doing what you’re doing for years and it’s not-so-great, you are in a rut. Many people refer to these ruts as careers.
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6) Passivity
There’s a difference between being agreeable and agreeing to everything. Trust the little internal voice that tells you, “this is a bad idea.”

#9 King of the ES

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:59 PM

I'm a CA.

I know that doesn't help, I'm just bragging.


Bragging that you're an accountant - I may have now officially seen everything.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:59 PM

Thanks for the reply, the reason I am not taking the permanent position is the staffing agency I am through right now is paying me the same amount, as if I took this position permanently. I cannot stand the job 9+ hours a day of just entering data, nothing new and exciting. The only thing I am torn about is if I miss out on this opportunity and cannot find something else then I am royally screwed


There will always be something else that comes along. Judging from your posts here you shouldn't take the job in my opinion. You sound like you will be completely unhappy for the foreseeable future.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:02 PM

FWIW, I'd take the permanent position. Do good work for them. Get them to pay to finish my degree. Look for other opportunities all the while.

Also, if it's an investment company, that's a pretty good "in" right there. You could feign an interest in the firm and the industry, get them to sponsor a CFA designation for you, and then maybe go work for them as some sort of Investment Analyst/Portfolio Manager/whatever. Good salary, social prestige, etc.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:03 PM

Thanks for the reply, the reason I am not taking the permanent position is the staffing agency I am through right now is paying me the same amount, as if I took this position permanently. I cannot stand the job 9+ hours a day of just entering data, nothing new and exciting. The only thing I am torn about is if I miss out on this opportunity and cannot find something else then I am royally screwed


Speaking from general experience (having been both Temp and Salaried), take the safe path which would be the job you hate. It looks good on your resume to potential employers that you were able to sacrifice the immediate and short term gain for your future. You have to look at it from their perspective, do I want someone that will jump ship to take the easy route or someone that will baton down the hatches and dig in and ride out the storm?

For the record I hate naval analogies, so I'll throw a movie quote out instead: "You want the job after this, but this is the job standing in the way." - John Malkovitch, Transformers: Dark of the Moon.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:07 PM

FWIW, I'd take the permanent position. Do good work for them. Get them to pay to finish my degree. Look for other opportunities all the while.

Also, if it's an investment company, that's a pretty good "in" right there. You could feign an interest in the firm and the industry, get them to sponsor a CFA designation for you, and then maybe go work for them as some sort of Investment Analyst/Portfolio Manager/whatever. Good salary, social prestige, etc.


Not really interested in doing my CFA, currently doing my accounting degree and CGA designation at the exact same time. Just need to find something that is NOT data entry thats all.

This role they offered is literally posting info into the GL and printing checks

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:10 PM

Not really interested in doing my CFA, currently doing my accounting degree and CGA designation at the exact same time. Just need to find something that is NOT data entry thats all.

This role they offered is literally posting info into the GL and printing checks


The good thing about being employed while enrolled in those things is that the company will typically sponsor you. So that's effectively free extra compensation. Just exchange your time for money until you're done your CGA. Then go somewhere else.

Or, move to Calgary and make six figures immediately working for an oil company. Your call.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:00 PM

The good thing about being employed while enrolled in those things is that the company will typically sponsor you. So that's effectively free extra compensation. Just exchange your time for money until you're done your CGA. Then go somewhere else.

Or, move to Calgary and make six figures immediately working for an oil company. Your call.


born and raised and living in calgary :D

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:44 PM

Today I farted while I was sitting on the couch. My cat gave me a rather peculiar look as if to say, "Get a life."

Begrudgingly, I took this as a sign that maybe I should, in fact, get a life. So I promptly got off my couch (after watching several episodes of Perfect Strangers) and warmed up a half eaten burrito in my (probably unsafe) microwave - which is from the 80s. After finishing the half-eaten mess, I did some laundry, bathed (kind of), and swept the front porch (kind of). After this exhausting series of events, I decided I should celebrate by watching Perfect Strangers, Golden Girls, and some Growing Pains.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 09:13 PM

Do a trade.

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Dr. Rand Paul 2016!

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:36 AM

Quit punking out and move to California and become a porn star like you always dreamed.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 07:06 AM

My advice would be to take the permanent position. It's always easier to get a job once you have a job - it shows other firms that you're employable, and you can lever your current job into antoher job at another firm if you need. Also, network network network. If you take the permanent position, take out senior members for coffee and just ask them how they got their job, who they needed to speak to, and if there is anyone else you can speak to. Let them know that you're interested in moving up in the company. Keep trying and keep asking. People for the most part want to help, all you have to do is ask. Good luck, it's tough to get a good job these days.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:06 PM

Lappy:

King and Jyrki have provided some real solid advice...worth giving consideration to what they say.

Perhaps a few things I can add...do not underestimate the value of the knowledge or contacts you will gain, even in a job that may seem like a dead end. It's great that you are working towards your CGA because there is real value in that. In my profession, I deal with Analysts, Investment Advisors, Corporate Finance guys, etc. and having your CGA will serve you very well. The second is, if you haven't done so already, give thought to how this current job fits into your long term plans...if there is some value you can gain out of this job on top of a pay check, then it may be worth sticking it out until you obtain your CGA. Lastly, all of the advice you're receiving from the CDCers is well intended, but free (and free = $0.00)...so take it for what it's worth and trust and follow your instincts (ultimately, everyone knows what is best for themselves).

Good luck to you. Peace out.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:24 PM

I work in biotech which is very competitive and cut throat, but I don't know anything about how accounting firms work so take my advice with a grain of salt. First off, I would definitely not take a job that you're planning to leave within 3 months. It just looks like you didn't even give it a chance (most probationary periods are between 3-6 months, leaving before that says you didn't try.) Pulling a stunt like that can hurt your future job prospects, especially if the industry in Calgary is very inbred (as in everyone knows each other.) You can very easily get black-balled so be careful.

Anyways, you said you've had 3 interviews in the last week. Are those jobs better than the one you've been offered? You can contact those other companies, let them know you have an offer on the table and ask about your status. If they want you, they'll work quickly to get you an offer. Again, I'm speaking from experience in my industry,but I know some companies have a tendency to drag their feet even when they already know who they want because they think they're in the position of power. But if you let them know you have other options they will certainly speed up the process. At the same time it's okay to tell your current employer that you have other opportunities you're looking at and you need some more time to think about it (just don't take too long, it helps to set a deadline as in "I'll let you know in 3 days").

All that being said, if you really don't have any other options, there's no shame in taking a menial entry level job, if only to get your foot in the door. Again, speaking from my own experience in biotech, regardless of the experience you get it's really the people you meet and the contacts you make that will get you the furthest ahead. Just make sure that if you do take this job, you give it your all and don't approach it with the "I'm better than this" attitude. It's really important to build up a good reputation at this stage of your career, you don't want people to perceive you as arrogant or lazy. Hope that helps (but again, please take this advice with a giant heaping of salt as my industry may be completely different from yours! )
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:27 PM

Bragging that you're an accountant - I may have now officially seen everything.


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