Jump to content

Welcome to canucks.com Vancouver Canucks homepage

Photo
- - - - -

Optimistic View


This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
67 replies to this topic

#61 nuck nit

nuck nit

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,933 posts
  • Joined: 27-June 10

Posted 17 August 2012 - 06:41 PM

This is where a GM that goes around handing out 'no-trade clauses' like candy is going to be a learned mistake.

Honestly,Canucks fans want the best for Luo and the Canucks in any deal that is to be done.

We have a former #1 Canucks franchise star goalie that does not want to be here and who has mentally left the arena and city.

The theatrics are going to be eventful.Sit back and enjoy the show.

#62 Tearloch7

Tearloch7

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,845 posts
  • Joined: 15-July 10

Posted 17 August 2012 - 07:13 PM

This is where a GM that goes around handing out 'no-trade clauses' like candy is going to be a learned mistake.

Honestly,Canucks fans want the best for Luo and the Canucks in any deal that is to be done.

We have a former #1 Canucks franchise star goalie that does not want to be here and who has mentally left the arena and city.

The theatrics are going to be eventful.Sit back and enjoy the show.


Worse comes to worse .. he plays for The Wolves ala Redden .. VETO THAT LUI!!!

"To Thine Own Self Be True"

 

"Always tell the Truth. That way, you don’t have to remember what you said"  ~ Mark Twain ~
 


#63 danaimo

danaimo

    K-Wing Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 78 posts
  • Joined: 28-April 12

Posted 17 August 2012 - 08:28 PM

So the question you keep asking is.....

And I'll ask you again, how do you expect Luongo's value to increase as our backup? Let's hear it, if it's such a good idea to wait.







So I try to explain to you how his value can increase as a result of the desperation of many other teams regardless of whether he is a back up or not.
Then you say he doesn't want to go to NYI. What's that got to do with anything? I try to explain fundamentals of supply and demand and you seem to think that Roberto's favourite choice of destination affects this. The demand for the player will determine his value in a trade. If he chooses to veto a trade then that is his prerogative but he will be well aware that restricting his desired options will simply prolong his time here and have him in a backup roll for longer.
And by the way, Mike gillis will not be told by anyone how much to spend on goalies. If we have 2 good goalies with a cap hit of 9.3 million so be it. Boston have 8.5 mil for that position, NSH have a cap hit of 7 mil for Rinne alone. CHI, TOR, FLA,TAM, CBJ, EDM, NYI, WSH would all love to have 2 goalies like Luongo and Schneider . When the cap is 70 mil, spending 9.3 million on 2 players is not such a big deal, many teams will fall short of that cap by more than 5.3 million.

#64 King of the ES

King of the ES

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,272 posts
  • Joined: 27-May 12

Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:43 AM

Then you say he doesn't want to go to NYI. What's that got to do with anything? I try to explain fundamentals of supply and demand and you seem to think that Roberto's favourite choice of destination affects this. The demand for the player will determine his value in a trade. If he chooses to veto a trade then that is his prerogative but he will be well aware that restricting his desired options will simply prolong his time here and have him in a backup roll for longer.


But the demand for the player is irrelevant if there's a 0% chance of him ending up there.

Scott Howson can express his desire for Luongo all that he wants, but that's not going to affect Dale Tallon's offer at all. Why? Because of the NTC! Tallon, and the whole world, knows that Gillis' hands are tied, and that Luongo will not accept a move to Columbus (or, probably, to 25 - 28 other NHL teams).

In a "hockey trade" scenario, yes, your point is valid. This is not a standard hockey trade. This is a guy, with control over where he ends up, that has asked to be traded. It's the perfect storm of a poor bargaining position for Gillis, and it really is his own fault for not dealing with this before it blew up like it now has.

And by the way, Mike gillis will not be told by anyone how much to spend on goalies. If we have 2 good goalies with a cap hit of 9.3 million so be it. Boston have 8.5 mil for that position, NSH have a cap hit of 7 mil for Rinne alone. CHI, TOR, FLA,TAM, CBJ, EDM, NYI, WSH would all love to have 2 goalies like Luongo and Schneider . When the cap is 70 mil, spending 9.3 million on 2 players is not such a big deal, many teams will fall short of that cap by more than 5.3 million.


All of those teams wouldn't like to have 2 goalies like Luongo & Schneider if one of them has publicly asked for a trade, no. And you can try and justify this any way that you want, but the Canucks are trying to trade him for a reason, and that reason is that no team in their right mind would want a backup goalie at that price tag.

#65 hockeyking

hockeyking

    Comets Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 535 posts
  • Joined: 01-July 11

Posted 18 August 2012 - 08:53 AM

Does the word "VETO" mean anything to you?

Good luck in getting Lou to accept a trade to a place like Long Island, or New Jersey. Rumor has it that he vetoed Toronto, which is a great city, and some would say that it'd be a logical fit (not sure I totally agree with that one). You don't honestly think that Luongo will say "sure, Mike, I want to be an Islander, please do proceed with this trade", do you? Or have you just forgotten that Luongo holds all the power in where he ends up?



Um, yeah, he kinda does.

In theory, Quebec could've held on to Eric Lindros for 3 years. The Vancouver Grizzlies could've hung on to Steve Francis for a few years. It doesn't benefit Vancouver at all to keep Luongo, unless you think it's a smart idea to pay your backup goalie $5.2M per year. How do you not see this?

He wants out, because Vancouver has chosen Cory Schneider over him. It's that simple. He DOES have to be traded. You're not being reasonable.


If he wan'ts out so badly he would've made the list longer. It's also a fact no official list of teams have been submitted to MG or asked by MG. I don`t know how those rumors work they could say he would veto them but not that he has because no list has been submitted.

#66 Sanford

Sanford

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,423 posts
  • Joined: 23-December 07

Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:26 AM

Jesus christ the quality of threads in this forum has gone down tremendously...

We had a terrible off season. Period.

Edited by Sanford, 18 August 2012 - 09:28 AM.

Posted Image

#67 Tearloch7

Tearloch7

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,845 posts
  • Joined: 15-July 10

Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:38 AM

Jesus christ the quality of threads in this forum has gone down tremendously...

We had a terrible off season. Period.


And on the third day he arose again from the "dread" .. Mr. Positivity returns with a fart and a flourish .. :rolleyes:

"To Thine Own Self Be True"

 

"Always tell the Truth. That way, you don’t have to remember what you said"  ~ Mark Twain ~
 


#68 King of the ES

King of the ES

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,272 posts
  • Joined: 27-May 12

Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:48 AM

If he wan'ts out so badly he would've made the list longer. It's also a fact no official list of teams have been submitted to MG or asked by MG. I don`t know how those rumors work they could say he would veto them but not that he has because no list has been submitted.


Why should he? To help out the Canucks? He's got the hammer, and he's not giving that away. Where he goes is where he'll probably be spending the next 10 years of his life, so it's a major, major decision, and not surprising that he wants to go back to Florida, where his wife's from, and where he spends his summers.

Make no mistake, Roberto Luongo's looking out for Roberto Luongo, and not the Vancouver Canucks. He made a commitment to Vancouver, which Vancouver has chosen to back out on. Fine. But don't expect him to budge on his NEXT landing spot. Florida or Chicago.




Canucks.com is the official Web site of The Vancouver Canucks. The Vancouver Canucks and Canucks.com are trademarks of The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership.  NHL and the word mark and image of the Stanley Cup are registered trademarks and the NHL Shield and NHL Conference logos are trademarks of the National Hockey League. All NHL logos and marks and NHL team logos and marks as well as all other proprietary materials depicted herein are the property of the NHL and the respective NHL teams and may not be reproduced without the prior written consent of NHL Enterprises, L.P.  Copyright © 2009 The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership and the National Hockey League.  All Rights Reserved.