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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:24 AM

Connecticut church near shooting site evacuated after bomb threat:

(Reuters) - A Roman Catholic church in Newtown, Connecticut was evacuated on Sunday after a bomb threat was reported by officials during services at the church, which is roughly a mile from the site of Friday's school shooting where 20 children were killed.


State troopers, police and ambulances were on the scene at St. Rose of Lima Catholic church, according to a Reuters eyewitness.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:25 AM

They can and have.. it expired like 8 years ago and was not renewed. Studies released at that time showed no reason to.

The federal assault weapon ban did not stop mass murders with those weapons. The Columbine kids that killed people proved that.

I don't know in how many ways shapes or forms it needs to be pointed out and shown that weapon bans won't prevent murders in the US or prevent people from attaining these weapons.. but the one thing people are good at is believing something if they repeat it enough -- in this case, that banning guns or (lol..) removing the second amendment will suddenly make murderers stop being murderers.. :lol:


Where did the columbine kids buy their bullets?
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:28 AM

Where did the columbine kids buy their bullets?


Target.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:35 AM

I feel like people who are anti-gun control don't realize that they would likely still be able to get their guns after going through a somewhat stringent process just to make sure they aren't some loon or gang banger.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:39 AM

They can and have.. it expired like 8 years ago and was not renewed. Studies released at that time showed no reason to.

The federal assault weapon ban did not stop mass murders with those weapons. The Columbine kids that killed people proved that.

I don't know in how many ways shapes or forms it needs to be pointed out and shown that weapon bans won't prevent murders in the US or prevent people from attaining these weapons.. but the one thing people are good at is believing something if they repeat it enough -- in this case, that banning guns or (lol..) removing the second amendment will suddenly make murderers stop being murderers.. :lol:

Kinda like the NRA BS that more guns makes things safer? Having all those guns and trained personnel really made a difference at Fort Hood didn't it?

http://en.wikipedia....t_Hood_shooting
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:39 AM

Where did the columbine kids buy their bullets?


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:04 PM

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Coroner: #Newtown gunman shot mom multiple times in the head and killed himself with one shot to the head, according to AP
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:15 PM

I don't understand how anyone would be against having much stricter laws when it comes to gun ownership in America. Will it stop individual murders or mass murders entirely? Obviously not. If someone is hellbent on doing an evil act like this they will probably be capable of finding the tools to do it either way.

But why make it easy for them?

If stricter gun control prevented just this one particular act from ever happening, it's totally worth it. Having people jump through hoops to acquire a firearm would inevitably prevent a percentage of people from ever owning guns. Those guns would never have a chance to be used by a curious or mentally unstable kid who finds it in their parents closet, or by a once stable individual who eventually goes off the deep end and turns to his gun collection for an answer. Those guns will never fall into the wrong hands.

It boggles my mind that people can continually see these events unfold in America and still argue that it has absolutely nothing to do with their ridiculous gun control laws.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:21 PM

Where did the columbine kids buy their bullets?

Target.


It was K-Mart, not Target.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:38 PM

Target.

I think walmart actually but same thing none the less. Pick up a jug of milk, cat food and a bunch of bullets for semi automatic weapons.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:06 PM

They can and have.. it expired like 8 years ago and was not renewed. Studies released at that time showed no reason to.

The federal assault weapon ban did not stop mass murders with those weapons. The Columbine kids that killed people proved that.

I don't know in how many ways shapes or forms it needs to be pointed out and shown that weapon bans won't prevent murders in the US or prevent people from attaining these weapons.. but the one thing people are good at is believing something if they repeat it enough -- in this case, that banning guns or (lol..) removing the second amendment will suddenly make murderers stop being murderers.. :lol:


Then why is it so effective in other countries?

If someone wants something badly enough, they'll do it. But at the very least make it difficult/illegal for them to do it. Why is that a bad thing?
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:11 PM

Then why is it so effective in other countries?

If someone wants something badly enough, they'll do it. But at the very least make it difficult/illegal for them to do it. Why is that a bad thing?


It did not work because some states flat out ignored any law, or made loopholes around it. You were able to buy a gun in a place like Texas, and turn around and sell it in another state for profit, with out it being able to be traced back to your name.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:19 PM

Referring to the tragic event in Connecticut on Friday (14 December), American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer said it could have been prevented if a prayer for ‘Christian values’ started each school day.


I wonder how he would explain the shooting at the The West Nickel Mines School? I'm pretty sure they practice "Christian values"..... http://en.wikipedia....school_shooting


Why can't they just ban these automatic weapons but not others?

Halfway measures don't work.

As Zaibatsu and Electro Rock are fond of pointing out, (ad nauseum) banning assault weapons doesn't work. And the reason is because these laws are implemented on a state to state basis. A moderate state like California could go ahead and pass a bill banning assault weapons, but it would be basically useless if citizens in Nevada could buy them at the local Wal-Mart.

What America needs is legislation on a federal level that restricts the types of firearms that can be legally purchased and an outright ban on the sale of ammunition for said weapons. (with the exception of authorized buyers, such as law enforcement and military)

I'm not an expert of lawmaking in the United States and I don't doubt that such an undertaking would be extremely difficult, but in the memory of the victims of Newton, Aurora, Ft Hood, Virginia Tech and Columbine, the effort needs to be made.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:23 PM

Well that's what I'm talking about, a federal law. Not banning everything, but these types of weapons. It seems like a no-brainer. No one needs these military grade weapons.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:27 PM

Then why is it so effective in other countries?

If someone wants something badly enough, they'll do it. But at the very least make it difficult/illegal for them to do it. Why is that a bad thing?


The biggest driver of, and main difference between the U.S. and other countries when it comes to shootings, murders and overall mayhem is gangs, especially black and Mexican gangs.

Gangs are responsible for at least 70% of crime in the U.S., take out that and you've got normalcy.

Of course, if you point out the involved demographics, you run the risk of being called the 'R' word.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:28 PM

Well that's what I'm talking about, a federal law. Not banning everything, but these types of weapons. It seems like a no-brainer. No one needs these military grade weapons.


nor does anyone need handguns which is what was used in this shooting. If it's made to kill humans, citizens should not have one
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:34 PM

nor does anyone need handguns which is what was used in this shooting. If it's made to kill humans, citizens should not have one


Now I'm going to have to disagree with this. Most of the time a hand gun is used in this country it is a self-defense reason, or even just an enthusiast who likes to visit a firing range. When you say "If it's made to kill humans, citizens should not have one" that's pretty broad...I feel It is a matter of circumstance as to the discretion of the usage of the hand gun.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:35 PM

nor does anyone need handguns which is what was used in this shooting. If it's made to kill humans, citizens should not have one


http://www.dailymail...ing-closet.html

What about her, I'd say she needed one.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:38 PM

nor does anyone need handguns which is what was used in this shooting. If it's made to kill humans, citizens should not have one

I beg to differ:

http://trib.com/news...3aaf64c900.html

Casper Police: Nail salon customer packs heat, gunman leaves



A gunman retreated from a Casper nail salon last week after realizing one of its customers was packing heat.
Police say about 5:30 p.m. on Dec. 3, a man walked into Modern Nails at 2645 E. Second St. and asked a female employee if she wanted to buy some diamonds. The man walked toward the front desk area and the woman replied that she had no money to buy diamonds.
A witness said the man then reached into his coat pocket and began to take out a silver-colored pistol.
At that moment, a woman who was getting her nails done reached into her purse and got her own firearm. Police say the man never fully raised the gun and left the building after seeing the customer had her weapon out.
The man is described as black, early 40s, more than 6-foot-4, about 250 pounds and very muscular. A witness said he was well-dressed and wearing light-colored slacks.



Love this consistent ignoring of how useful guns are when used properly. In this case, not even used at all. Safety prevails, thanks to the playing field being even.

Edited by zaibatsu, 16 December 2012 - 01:39 PM.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:39 PM

http://www.dailymail...ing-closet.html

What about her, I'd say she needed one.


I wouldn't go down this path. I'm sure there are dozens of examples of toddlers shooting other toddlers or say nfl players shooting themselves in the foot that could be used on the other side of this.

I'm not sure about hand guns, but these automatic, military style weapons....there is no reason for normal people to own them. None.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:41 PM

I beg to differ:

http://trib.com/news...3aaf64c900.html

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Love this consistent ignoring of how useful guns are when used properly. In this case, not even used at all. Safety prevails, thanks to the playing field being even.


You live in some brinksmanship bizarro world. Like I asked earlier, ok, so everyone gets a gun to offset everyone else having a gun. Then what?
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:44 PM

I wouldn't go down this path. I'm sure there are dozens of examples of toddlers shooting other toddlers or say nfl players shooting themselves in the foot that could be used on the other side of this.

I'm not sure about hand guns, but these automatic, military style weapons....there is no reason for normal people to own them. None.


The 2nd Amendment and the fact that a bunch of creepy elites don't want to have them, say otherwise.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:45 PM

You live in some brinksmanship bizarro world. Like I asked earlier, ok, so everyone gets a gun to offset everyone else having a gun. Then what?

Interesting how you make up some fantasy scenario yet I'm the one in some bizarro world..

It likely wasn't everyone armed. It was one person. When you can address something without going to such extremes, you'll likely be taken a bit more seriously.

Edited by zaibatsu, 16 December 2012 - 01:46 PM.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:46 PM

Now I'm going to have to disagree with this. Most of the time a hand gun is used in this country it is a self-defense reason, or even just an enthusiast who likes to visit a firing range. When you say "If it's made to kill humans, citizens should not have one" that's pretty broad...I feel It is a matter of circumstance as to the discretion of the usage of the hand gun.


75% of the gun related deaths in the US are committed with a handgun
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:47 PM

The 2nd Amendment and the fact that a bunch of creepy elites don't want to have them, say otherwise.


Creepy elites? I don't even know what you mean by that.

Stop hiding behind a centuries old law written in a totally different world in a totally different context. Lots of things were legal then that aren't now.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:48 PM

Interesting how you make up some fantasy scenario yet I'm the one in some bizarro world..

It likely wasn't everyone armed. It was one person. When you can address something without going to such extremes, you'll likely be taken a bit more seriously.


What fantasy scenario? You're the one arguing you need a gun to protect yourself in the event someone attacks you with a gun. Then it's even right? So it's not much a fantasy to argue everyone should get a gun. Then everyone's even.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:49 PM

75% of the gun related deaths in the US are committed with a handgun


Ok, so just playing Devil's Advocate here but what about the cases that have been documented when a crime or a death has actually been prevented because the potential victim was armed with a way to defend themselves?
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:49 PM

What fantasy scenario? You're the one arguing you need a gun to protect yourself in the event someone attacks you with a gun. Then it's even right? So it's not much a fantasy to argue everyone should get a gun. Then everyone's even.

What I'm arguing was just backed up with an article, and the post before me was too.

No one is suggesting every single person be armed. You're making this all up.. you should come back to Earth.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:52 PM

What I'm arguing was just backed up with an article, and the post before me was too.

No one is suggesting every single person be armed. You're making this all up.. you should come back to Earth.


Yeah, and I can find an article where a kid shot a kid by accident. So what.

You're suggesting people should have guns to protect themselves from other people who have guns. How is it not logical to then suggest everyone should have a gun in order to protect themselves from everyone else?

The bigger picture is the disgusting fear based society you appear to live in. You're so scared of everyone around you you need to have a gun to protect yourself from some potential boogeyman. That's frackedup.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:53 PM

You live in some brinksmanship bizarro world. Like I asked earlier, ok, so everyone gets a gun to offset everyone else having a gun. Then what?


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