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Posted 11 March 2013 - 04:50 PM

Right now, the Christy Clark Liberals are trying to pass legislation restructuring bargaining in the health sector. Bill 18 would change the membership of the Facilities Bargaining Association and the Community Health Bargaining Association by transferring LPNs to another bargaining unit.
Bill 18 would transfer more than 1400 HEU LPNs who work in long-term care facilities, some hospitals, and in the community.

No consultation

Bill 18 was introduced without any prior consultation with HEU despite its impact on the collective agreement rights of our members and on the delivery of health care.
We’ve been here before.
When the B.C. Liberals rammed through Bill 29 in 2002, they did so with no consultation.
Five years later, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that this lack of consultation amounted to a violation of your constitutional rights.
Now they’re doing it again.

No good reason

The Clark government says the only reason for Bill 18 is because of BCNU’s raid on HEU and other unions.
But Bill 18 impacts the negotiated collective agreement rights of many workers who are not BCNU members, and will have widespread impacts on the delivery of care.
No Bill 18

Tell government it needs to withdraw Bill 18, and consult with unions before proposing such fundamental changes – not after.


Edited by J529, 13 April 2013 - 10:58 PM.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 04:55 PM

Typical BC Liars breaking the law yet again. And the BCNU once again raiding other unions. Not the first time they've done it and certainly won't be the last. I have no respect for BCNU. Waste of time sending a message to Health Minister. Send her and BC Liars a message on Election Day and boot them out of office. BCNU are mostly BC Liars supporters which explains the recent event Health Minister she spoke at. In addition to the long-term contact Christy wants them to sign. BCNU has and always will be ultimate opportunists.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:32 PM

Meanwhile, vote the other party in and they'll bend over backwards to appease a bunch of fat-cat union bosses who leech off the dues of the masses.

Yay!
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:13 PM

My wife just read the o.p and boy is she pissed. I feel sorry for Christy if she ever runs into her.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:14 PM

Time to vote Libertarian!
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:29 PM

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"Hyuk... 'BC Liars'...

That never gets old. "

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:32 PM

There is a back story to this that seems to be missing from the OP. This is an inter union dispute over who will represent nurses who have voted to leave HEU and switch to BCNU as their bargaining representative. Such things are frowned upon by the BC NDP.

These nurses voted to come over to the BCNU per the BC Labour Code that allows groups to change their bargaining association and the NDP is scandalized by this action. Also the BCNU has been condemned by both the B.C. Federation of Labour and the Canadian Labour Congress accusing the BCNU of "raiding" the HEU.

This was NOT imposed by the BC Liberals.

Bill 18 is being passed to expand the definition of nurse to include LPN's under the Health Authority Act to give effect to the democratic will of these nurses who voted to leave HEU and join the BC Nurses Union.

One of the main reasons for the change voted on by the LPNS is that unlike other members of HEU, LPNs operate under a professional college regulating their practise as with Registered Nurses and Registered Psychiatric Nurses

Also the HEU is an integral part of Dix's power base in the public sector union movement sp you can expect the BC NDP will do all inits power to stay on board with its power base.

Here is the Bill in its entirety:


BILL 18 — 2013

HEALTH AUTHORITIES AMENDMENT ACT, 2013


HER MAJESTY, by and with the advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly of the Province of British Columbia, enacts as follows:


1 Section 19.1 of the Health Authorities Act, R.S.B.C. 1996, c. 180, is amended in the definition of "nurse" by striking out "an enactment" and substituting "the Health Professions Act" and by striking out "or as a registered psychiatric nurse" and substituting ", licensed practical nurse or registered psychiatric nurse".


Commencement

2 This Act comes into force by regulation of the Lieutenant Governor in Council.


Vaughn Palmer sets out the background and what is going on that has resulted in this minor amendment to the language in the Health Authorities Act.


When the invitation arrived at the Opposition offices for Adrian Dix to attend this year’s convention of the B.C. Nurses’ Union, it presented the New Democratic Party leader with a bit of a dilemma.


The would-be premier has taken most opportunities to talk to business groups over the past two years and with major trade union gatherings, he’s either gone himself or sent a high-profile representative.

The nurses have often been on the same side of health care concerns as the New Democrats. For instance, recently both blasted the B.C. Liberals for neglecting to fund a promised 2,000 additional nursing positions in their three-year budget and fiscal plan.


But all that was secondary to one overreaching concern for the New Democrats, namely that the BCNU was an outcast in the provincial labour movement.


The union had successfully persuaded nurses in the rival Hospital Employees’ Union to switch their membership in a vote conducted under the provisions of the labour code. Now it was trying to recruit nurse-members of other public sector unions as well.


Though legal and democratic, within the church of labour, where picket lines are sacrosanct and solidarity forever is a hymn, raiding is regarded as original sin, making the nurses the closest thing to heretics.

Dix was not willing to address a union that had been condemned by both the B.C. Federation of Labour and the Canadian Labour Congress. Nor were the New Democrats prepared to send another MLA to speak in place of the leader.


So when some 400 delegates representing 40,000 nurses (including the 7,200 licensed practical nurses who voted to come over from the HEU) gathered in Vancouver last week, the Opposition was a no-show in any official capacity.

Health Minister Margaret MacDiarmid did attend and was rewarded with multiple ovations. Among other things, the delegates hailed her government’s tabling of a piece of legislation that would further the process of consolidating nurses into one big union, albeit without any prior consultation with the other affected unions.


But Dix decided not to attend the nurses’ convention well before the Liberals made that hasty legislative move, and he did so strictly because of BCNU poaching on the membership of unions.


“The raid is ongoing, and we were concerned about that,” he told me Monday when I asked about his decision to boycott the BCNU convention. Why concerned? “Well, there is a concern about the disruptions that it brings.”


He assured me that if the New Democrats win the election, they would seek to establish a businesslike relationship with the nurses’ union, which is not to say that he’d ever be on speaking terms with the delegates at their convention.

Nor could Dix claim that he was simply trying to remain neutral in the nurses’ recruitment drive.


For he did accept an invitation to address the HEU convention in Vancouver late last year and there, to a couple of standing ovations, called on members to support the NDP and help “bring the change we need in B.C.”


In return, Dix embraced the union’s opposition to contracting out of jobs in health care facilities, which has resulted in the layoff of union members and their replacement by contract employees.

Citing the pending layoffs at a residential care facility in Burnaby, Dix said: “Some of those employees have been there 30 years and more ... I don’t know about you, but I don’t think we should let that stand.”


He vowed to restore hospital employees’ successorship rights, legislated out of existence by the Liberals during their first year in office.


Dix is closely tied to the HEU. Judy Darcy, the union’s formidable president, backed his leadership bid, then stepped down to become a candidate in New Westminster, one of the safest seats for New Democrats. If Dix forms government, she’ll likely be on the short list for a cabinet position.

http://www.vancouver...l#ixzz2NI8huJ47

I am unsure how this got spun as something the BC Liberals have done other than to give effect to a legal and democratic vote of the LPNs who voted to leave the HEU and join the BCNU.

This legislation was introduced at the request of the nurses and Health Minister Margaret MacDiarmid said nurses have asked for legislation that would reclassify licensed practical nurses so all nurses are in one association for bargaining purposes. Licensed practical nurses are currently part of a bargaining association with other hospital support staff including care aides, whose standards are not upheld by a college under the Health Professions Act. "I understand why they want it," MacDiarmid said of a change in legislation.

It seems there has been consultation - with the nurses who are actually affected and who voted to leave HEU for the BC Nurses Union under the provisions of the BC Labour Code allowing for such actions.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:40 PM

I am unsure how this got spun as something the BC Liberals have done other than to give effect to a legal and democratic vote of the LPNs who voted to leave the HEU and join the BCNU.


Just like how bringing $100M in tourism/restaurant/lodging revenue for the Grey Cup means ZOMG CRUSTY'S FLUSHING $2.7M DOWN TEH TOILETZ.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 10:53 PM

Nurses today delivered six gigantic postcards covered with voters’ signatures to the provincial Cabinet office in downtown Vancouver, urging the government to do the right thing to improve health care in BC by signing Bill 18 into law.

Bill 18 expands the definition of “nurse” to include Licensed Practical Nurses. It would improve the delivery of healthcare by including LPNs in the same contract as registered nurses and registered psychiatric nurses.

“It makes things smooth, seamless and efficient. It’s what health employers have been advocating for years,” Debra McPherson, president of the BC Nurses’ Union told reporters. “There is no reason for the government to delay and every reason to finish the job.”
Last year LPNs voted decisively to join BCNU and leave unions that represent healthcare support staff. In March the Liberal government confirmed that democratic choice of nurses by introducing and passing Bill 18 in the Legislature.

“We were very pleased the government passed Bill 18. Now we want them to take the last step and sign an Order-in-Council to bring it into force,” said Jonathan Karmazinuk who was elected by LPNs in the Fraser Health Authority to represent them on the BCNU’s top governing body. LPN Marlene Goertzen who represents LPNs from the Vancouver Coastal Health Authority said the postcard signatures came from voters on the streets in Christy Clark’s riding this week. “There was lots of public support for nurses and for bringing all nurses together under Bill 18.”

The employers’ own bargaining agent long argued for including all nurses under the same bargaining umbrella to maximize efficiencies for quality patient care. In a brief to the provincial government in 2001, the Health Employers’ Association of BC said “Employees performing similar functions with similar competencies working at the same employer should be governed by the terms of the Nurses’ Provincial Collective Agreement.”

McPherson criticized health authority CEOs for trying to stop the change. “Some of their hospitals scored a D in the recent CBC study because they don’t have enough nurses able to practice to the best of their ability. Health authorities are supposed to be working to improve healthcare, not playing politics by undermining a measure that would make healthcare better.”


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 10:54 PM

McPherson is scared, cozying up and being buddy buddy with Christy and company in attempt to get this through prior to the election, because she knows if NDP win and takes power, it won't be going through. NDP has blacklisted BCNU for raiding HEU. I had to laugh when saw this on news and McPherson said that BC Nurses are "overworked" and "unvalued". Umm. Excuse me. You've gotten how many recent pay raises. Try having your wages rolled back 15% like HEU did. The two whiniest unions who cry, moan and bitch about being so hard done by are BCNU and BCTF.
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:03 PM

McPherson is scared, cozying up and being buddy buddy with Christy and company in attempt to get this through prior to the election, because she knows if NDP win and takes power, it won't be going through. NDP has blacklisted BCNU for raiding HEU. I had to laugh when saw this on news and McPherson said that BC Nurses are "overworked" and "unvalued". Umm. Excuse me. You've gotten how many recent pay raises. Try having your wages rolled back 15% like HEU did. The two whiniest unions who cry, moan and bitch about being so hard done by are BCNU and BCTF.


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:30 PM

Anybody ever tell you you sound like a propaganda poster?


And a particularly redundant one at that.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:15 AM

Anybody ever tell you you sound like a propaganda poster?

And a particularly redundant one at that.


Right-Wingers got stick together.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:18 AM

Anybody ever tell you you sound like a propaganda poster?


The Canadian version of MSNBC.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 02:41 AM

The Lpns voted to join the bcnu did they not? There is no problem for a group to change bargaining units if they feel they are not being represented to a satisfactory level.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:00 AM

The Lpns voted to join the bcnu did they not? There is no problem for a group to change bargaining units if they feel they are not being represented to a satisfactory level.

There is a problem for the Adrian Dix, the BC NDP and their union supporters. Democracy is fine as long as you exercise your democratic rights in a manner of which they approve.

As noted above:

When the invitation arrived at the Opposition offices for Adrian Dix to attend this year’s convention of the B.C. Nurses’ Union, it presented the New Democratic Party leader with a bit of a dilemma.


The would-be premier has taken most opportunities to talk to business groups over the past two years and with major trade union gatherings, he’s either gone himself or sent a high-profile representative.


The nurses have often been on the same side of health care concerns as the New Democrats. For instance, recently both blasted the B.C. Liberals for neglecting to fund a promised 2,000 additional nursing positions in their three-year budget and fiscal plan.


But all that was secondary to one overreaching concern for the New Democrats, namely that the BCNU was an outcast in the provincial labour movement.


The union had successfully persuaded nurses in the rival Hospital Employees’ Union to switch their membership in a vote conducted under the provisions of the labour code. Now it was trying to recruit nurse-members of other public sector unions as well.


Though legal and democratic, within the church of labour, where picket lines are sacrosanct and solidarity forever is a hymn, raiding is regarded as original sin, making the nurses the closest thing to heretics.


Adrian Dix... he did not come back for you. Unless you attend the BC NDP approved "church of labour". :lol:

If you liked Glen Clark you are going to love Adrian Dix.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:10 AM

I don't understand why some people are against LPNs joining BCNU...

Maybe I am just being naive or ignorant, but doesn't it make sense to have RNs, RPNs, and LPNs in the same union?

How is having LPNs in the same union as support workers (who are obviously an significant part of our health care system) beneficial???

Honestly, I think ALL nurses should be in represented by one union.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 09:29 AM

Right-Wingers got stick together.


I'm not a right winger. Do I have to be a right winger to think someone is foolish? Is that a prerequisite to you? The ol ain't with us he's against us routine?
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 09:32 AM

I don't understand why some people are against LPNs joining BCNU...

Maybe I am just being naive or ignorant, but doesn't it make sense to have RNs, RPNs, and LPNs in the same union?

How is having LPNs in the same union as support workers (who are obviously an significant part of our health care system) beneficial???

Honestly, I think ALL nurses should be in represented by one union.


Some people just really like to use a stupid catch phrase like "BC Liars" any chance they get. The actual story was probably of little concern to the OP.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 09:42 AM

I don't understand why some people are against LPNs joining BCNU...

Maybe I am just being naive or ignorant, but doesn't it make sense to have RNs, RPNs, and LPNs in the same union?

How is having LPNs in the same union as support workers (who are obviously an significant part of our health care system) beneficial???

Honestly, I think ALL nurses should be in represented by one union.

More to the point the LPNs have voted to join with the RNs and RPNs in the lawful process set out in the BC Labour Relations Code.

One of the reasons for that vote is that the LPNs are a profession and unlike the other members of HEU (but like the RNs and RPNs) they are governed by a professional regulatory body (as are doctors, lawyers, engineers and other professions) the College of Licensed Practical Nurses of BC. It is like the learning exercise - which of these is not like the others?

It seems for Adrian Dix and the BC NDP and their organized supporters labour law is only to be followed when it operates the way they want it to. And that is a scary precedent.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:11 AM

SOMETIMES changing your union is good. Sometimes not so much. The HEU is extremely weak. I can understand why some will want to change unions. I can also understand why the HEU would be against this. If you take their most valued members from them then they even lose more bargaining power.

I don't think I care about the inner squabblings of unions or businesses for that matter.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:34 AM

More to the point the LPNs have voted to join with the RNs and RPNs in the lawful process set out in the BC Labour Relations Code.

One of the reasons for that vote is that the LPNs are a profession and unlike the other members of HEU (but like the RNs and RPNs) they are governed by a professional regulatory body (as are doctors, lawyers, engineers and other professions) the College of Licensed Practical Nurses of BC. It is like the learning exercise - which of these is not like the others?

It seems for Adrian Dix and the BC NDP and their organized supporters labour law is only to be followed when it operates the way they want it to. And that is a scary precedent.


On the issue of labor law - it wasn't followed. During the raid BCNU was given complete and open access to those they where signing up on the employers property and during work hours. Unheard of but as HEABC supported the raid not suprising. Also this is a precident setting situation where one union was able to cherry pick one group of workers out of a union without having to "take them all ".

Normally if a union wants to sign up members or raid them - they must do it off property and off employer paid time. I would be upset if the NDP did support this new raid precedent of on employer property and time .... Tax payers should not be paying for one union to raid another.

As others have posted they did vote to join them and BCNU made a ton of promises that unless they have a goverment that will ensure they can fufill those promises .... One begins to understand their panic to get bill 18 passed.

And during - after the raid the employer supported the raid. As soon as it was completed and the goverment tabled bill 18 - as reported by global news a letter from all the employer health authorities surfaced where they petitioned the goverment not to - or atleast not at this time.

The complete turn around in opinion by the employer should give everyone a clue that things are not always as it would suggest -

So to suggest that it is labor or the NDP setting a scary precident is very disingenous. The NDP has no part in the raid or the on going fall out ( if elected they will though ) and Labor has every right to be ticked - if you threaten them with the labor board for recruiting on employer property and then cherry pick one to roll out the red carpet it does create a very unequal playing field. Go ahead and dislike either union - the LPN's voted to move so it's a dead issue at this point - but to use anything and everything to imply that some how the NDP are to blame is getting ridiculous as the NDP where not involved in this raid. What's next? Blame adrain for the common cold?
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:44 AM

And a particularly redundant one at that.



I disagree - I may not agree with your posts or other strong BC Liberal supporters but to suggest that there comments are not needed or useful to the debate is ridiculous.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 11:22 AM

On the issue of labor law - it wasn't followed. During the raid BCNU was given complete and open access to those they where signing up on the employers property and during work hours. Unheard of but as HEABC supported the raid not suprising. Also this is a precident setting situation where one union was able to cherry pick one group of workers out of a union without having to "take them all ".

Normally if a union wants to sign up members or raid them - they must do it off property and off employer paid time. I would be upset if the NDP did support this new raid precedent of on employer property and time .... Tax payers should not be paying for one union to raid another.

As others have posted they did vote to join them and BCNU made a ton of promises that unless they have a goverment that will ensure they can fufill those promises .... One begins to understand their panic to get bill 18 passed.

And during - after the raid the employer supported the raid. As soon as it was completed and the goverment tabled bill 18 - as reported by global news a letter from all the employer health authorities surfaced where they petitioned the goverment not to - or atleast not at this time.

The complete turn around in opinion by the employer should give everyone a clue that things are not always as it would suggest -

So to suggest that it is labor or the NDP setting a scary precident is very disingenous. The NDP has no part in the raid or the on going fall out ( if elected they will though ) and Labor has every right to be ticked - if you threaten them with the labor board for recruiting on employer property and then cherry pick one to roll out the red carpet it does create a very unequal playing field. Go ahead and dislike either union - the LPN's voted to move so it's a dead issue at this point - but to use anything and everything to imply that some how the NDP are to blame is getting ridiculous as the NDP where not involved in this raid. What's next? Blame adrain for the common cold?

Do you have reputable source links for your claims?
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:00 PM

On the employers disagreeing

http://globalnews.ca...hanges-slammed/


On the employer supporting the raid ( calling on the labor board to support the vote of LPNs only )

http://www.bcnulpn.o...2012-03-20.html

For worksite - just ask any person who has worked in a hospital the last 4 years if raiding activity occured on site - on shift

Those are the links that support my comments that the Health Authorities are at this time wanting to delay any move of LPN's to the Nurses bargaining - That during the raid BCNU stated that the employer wrote to the Labor Board in favor of the vote occuring ( supporting it ) and the final piece discussed was personal observations but really - talk to anyone working in a hospital and you will find more than you bargained for in opinions to it happening
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:26 PM

Leave it to J529 to support the BC NDPers, YAY!

After all, we should totally accept mistakes here and there, as long as it's the NDP that's doing it. YAY!

Any other party that makes mistakes? VOTE NDP of course!
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:35 PM

On the employers disagreeing

http://globalnews.ca...hanges-slammed/


On the employer supporting the raid ( calling on the labor board to support the vote of LPNs only )

http://www.bcnulpn.o...2012-03-20.html

For worksite - just ask any person who has worked in a hospital the last 4 years if raiding activity occured on site - on shift

Those are the links that support my comments that the Health Authorities are at this time wanting to delay any move of LPN's to the Nurses bargaining - That during the raid BCNU stated that the employer wrote to the Labor Board in favor of the vote occuring ( supporting it ) and the final piece discussed was personal observations but really - talk to anyone working in a hospital and you will find more than you bargained for in opinions to it happening

You do realize those issues were argued at the BC Labour Relations Board by the HEU and BCGEU and were dismissed and then a motion for reconsideration was also dismissed.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 02:13 PM

You do realize those issues were argued at the BC Labour Relations Board by the HEU and BCGEU and were dismissed and then a motion for reconsideration was also dismissed.


Yes but that does not change the information provided - The employer supported the raid which is unheard of outside of CLAC - then in an about turn apposed them being moved into the RN's bargaining unit knowing full well that during the raid that was a #1 demand ... supports my comment that it makes it odd and suspect to motive

And lastly on the cherry picking - it is my understanding that labor boards and employers have nearly always apposed this. Imagine you own a grocery store that everyone belongs to UFCW. If 6 or 7 departments one by one ( by classification ) breaks free and moves to a different union - a private sector employer could find themselves behind picket lines 365 days a year as unions rotate through like domino's in bargaining. Makes it odd that the goverment would support what private sector would never support

But back to the reasons for my post - Given the way the raid was supported and then not supported by employers and given the fact that if pushed the NDP would have to agree that permitting raiding on employer dime and time is not acceptable ... it is reason enough to steer clear while Bill 18 issues are live. It is not the NDP that has set dangereous precident and they did not condem the process in the news - they simply did not attend which I would think would be a prudent thing.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 03:19 PM

Yes but that does not change the information provided - The employer supported the raid which is unheard of outside of CLAC - then in an about turn apposed them being moved into the RN's bargaining unit knowing full well that during the raid that was a #1 demand ... supports my comment that it makes it odd and suspect to motive

And lastly on the cherry picking - it is my understanding that labor boards and employers have nearly always apposed this. Imagine you own a grocery store that everyone belongs to UFCW. If 6 or 7 departments one by one ( by classification ) breaks free and moves to a different union - a private sector employer could find themselves behind picket lines 365 days a year as unions rotate through like domino's in bargaining. Makes it odd that the goverment would support what private sector would never support

But back to the reasons for my post - Given the way the raid was supported and then not supported by employers and given the fact that if pushed the NDP would have to agree that permitting raiding on employer dime and time is not acceptable ... it is reason enough to steer clear while Bill 18 issues are live. It is not the NDP that has set dangereous precident and they did not condem the process in the news - they simply did not attend which I would think would be a prudent thing.

The claims you enumerated were made and rejected - the BC Labour Relations Board found the actions in accordance with the LRC which was contrary to what what you claimed. Repeating the brief filed by HEU and BCGEU that the LRB rejected seems a complete answer to me.

Dix chose to not attend despite the fact the change was voted upon in accordance with the LRC. Because of his pandering to his union supporters he did not go. That to me is a very dangerous precedent and demonstrates a clear intention to not govern in the interests of all legitimate constituencies - including the BCNU and LPNs who exercised there democratic rights to change union affiliation.

As Vaughn Pamer wrote:


But all that was secondary to one overreaching concern for the New Democrats, namely that the BCNU was an outcast in the provincial labour movement.


The union had successfully persuaded nurses in the rival Hospital Employees’ Union to switch their membership in a vote conducted under the provisions of the labour code. Now it was trying to recruit nurse-members of other public sector unions as well.


Though legal and democratic, within the church of labour, where picket lines are sacrosanct and solidarity forever is a hymn, raiding is regarded as original sin, making the nurses the closest thing to heretics.


Dix was not willing to address a union that had been condemned by both the B.C. Federation of Labour and the Canadian Labour Congress. Nor were the New Democrats prepared to send another MLA to speak in place of the leader.


Pretty gutless on Dix's part. Her should have gone and made his case as to why the actions were wrong.

Why did he not do so? Because there was no way to make such an argument without confirming the BC NDP is a puppet of the BC Federation of Labour.
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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:46 AM

On the employers disagreeing

http://globalnews.ca...hanges-slammed/


On the employer supporting the raid ( calling on the labor board to support the vote of LPNs only )

http://www.bcnulpn.o...2012-03-20.html

For worksite - just ask any person who has worked in a hospital the last 4 years if raiding activity occured on site - on shift

Those are the links that support my comments that the Health Authorities are at this time wanting to delay any move of LPN's to the Nurses bargaining - That during the raid BCNU stated that the employer wrote to the Labor Board in favor of the vote occuring ( supporting it ) and the final piece discussed was personal observations but really - talk to anyone working in a hospital and you will find more than you bargained for in opinions to it happening


By raid do you mean "Talking with your coworkers that are doing the exact same job on the exact same shift interchangeably with you about how silly it was that you are arbitrarily separated into a separate group"?

Because if so how could you expect that NOT to happen?
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