Sapper Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/canada/britishcolumbia/story/2013/03/12/bc-auditor-ndp-consituency-funds.html Never let it be said that Ndp supporters don't hold their party to task Be interesting to see if as Simpson has said it had all been done properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 http://www.cbc.ca/m/...ency-funds.html Never let it be said that Ndp supporters don't hold their party to task Be interesting to see if as Simpson has said it had all been done properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I believe it is the Auditor General taking BC NDPers to account. Much the same thing happened with Bingogate where the BC NDP denied wrongdoing until there was forensic audit by Ron Parks. Then criminal charges followed in which former BC NDP finance Minister Dave Stupich was convicted as well as other BC NDP operatives and the BC NDP party itself was convicted for operating that illegal kickback scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Those scandal plagued liberals are always trying to deflect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Remind me when the BC Liberal Party or any cabinet minister or MLA was convicted of running a kickback scheme to fund party coffers? How about a BC Liberal Premier under investigation for conflict of interest and criminal offences relating to the discharge of his/her public duties? In terms of the other guys, the BC Liberal government is not scandal plagued as political columnist Craig McInnes points out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Remind me when the BC Liberal Party or any cabinet minister or MLA was convicted of running a kickback scheme to fund party coffers? How about a BC Liberal Premier under investigation for conflict of interest and criminal offences relating to the discharge of his/her public duties? In terms of the other guys, the BC Liberal government is not scandal plagued as political columnist Craig McInnes points out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 For the 100th time, and I know you don't care (and I know you'll post your favourite quotes in reply...) but just because something is bad, doesn't make it less bad because something else is worse. 'In terms of the other guys'...who cares about the other guys? That's just a race to the bottom. Do you live your life by this philosophy or just when it's suits your politics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Do you mean like Christy Clark and BC rail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 In politics that is the test.- you do not have to be great just better than the other guy and in the case the BC Liberals are much better than the BC NDP. Politics is not life per se - it is bloodsport. Also you need to separate out illegal and unlawful from immoral and unethical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 As the police, courts and all the BC Rail documents released by the trial judge to the media say - nothing to do with Christy Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 And what you're left with in the end with that philosophy is a race to the bottom where neither party is trying to be good, they're just trying to be not as bad as the other ones. Your worldview is depressing. What are our laws based on? What do they represent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 My worldview is realpolitik - that is how politics operates. What laws have been breached? As far as I can see legal breaches thus far have been the province of the BC NDP and its elected members and its party functionaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Seems to be something fishy still there. I'd prefer to see the stuff that wasn't released to the media. Mr John van Dongen, the former Liberal solicitor-general, keeps pressing his conflict-of-interest case against Clark over her role in the ever-pungent B.C. Rail privatization deal. Van Dongen has released records indicating Clark attended cabinet meetings where the B.C. Rail deal was discussed, even though she had declared a conflict-of-interest because of the involvement of her then-husband in the deal. Read more: http://www.theprovin...l#ixzz2NMjY0fp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbinger Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 The RCMP were very clear that Christy Clark and other elected officials had not been under investigation. They repeated it a number of times as did the special prosecutor - the reason for a special prosecutor is that in the event that there were to be evidence against elected officials he would have the power to proceed with charges without the need for the usual charge approval by Crown Counsel. The RCMP would later say on a number of occasions they had found no evidence that would support an investigation, let alone charges against any elected official. The trial judge said the same thing and he ordered the documents released to the media following an application filed by CTV News and the Globe and Mail. The media pored through the documents and came to the same conclusion.. Had there been anything there the media would have had a field day as they have done in the past in such things - it matters not which party is in power, such a story is just too good to not run with. After reviewing all the documents and conducting its own due diligence and investigations here is what the Globe and Mail had to say: An exhaustive police investigation into political corruption surrounding the sale of BC Rail found no evidence of wrongdoing by former BC Liberal cabinet minister Christy Clark or any other elected official. As Jim Beatty wrote for CTV News again after reviewing the documents which included the actual wiretaps and transcripts. Documents obtained exclusively by CTV News on one of B.C.'s longest-running corruption scandals show there was no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Christy Clark. For more than seven years, there has been a cloud of suspicion over the heads of several B.C. politicians who were publicly accused of directing a campaign to leak sensitive government documents related to the $1-billion sale of BC Rail. But court documents released by B.C. Supreme Court on Wednesday detailing Crown and police evidence reveal no evidence linking Premier Gordon Campbell or then-deputy premier Christy Clark to any wrongdoing. Clark is the current frontrunner in the race to be B.C.'s next premier. ... Former ministerial aides Dave Basi and Bob Virk are currently under house arrest in Victoria after pleading guilty to breach of trust; Basi also admitted to accepting a bribe. As part of their defence, they claimed they were simply acting on behalf of their political masters. The evidence reveals a very different story. Thousands of pages of police wiretaps, interviews and daily logs show Basi and Virk were strategically leaking government secrets to lobbyists in lieu of money, trips and the lure of employment opportunities. The documents suggest they were operating on their own and there is no evidence they were carrying out orders for anyone else, as they alleged. In one recorded conversation, Basi tells Virk he needs more documents. "Do you have any paper? Find something juicy," Basi asks Virk, who is going to a meeting to discuss the Roberts Bank Rail line. Later, the two are passing so many documents, they lose track. Virk says to Basi: "I can't even remember what I gave you, seriously." The case began in March 2002 as a drug investigation but quickly spread to a breach of trust case. In December 2003, the police conducted an unprecedented raid on the B.C. legislature offices of Basi and Virk, along with six other locations. Police also recorded nearly 7,000 calls on Basi's home phone and taxpayer-funded cell phone. Many of the calls are linked to the covert leaking of sensitive BC Rail documents and arranging bribes. But many other calls are with cocaine dealers. At one point, Basi even arranges for a woman to provide sexual services for a friend whose help he needed in acquiring a political membership list. http://bc.ctvnews.ca...gation-1.608675 Unless you believe that the RCMP, the special prosecutor, the courts, the trial judge and the media were all part of some nefarious conspiracy to protect Christy Clark, IMHO that puts things to rest. As far as Van Dongen allegations if and when the Conflict Commissioner determines there is sufficient evidence to undertake an investigation, Premier Clark has stated publicly she will cooperate with any such investigation. Of course the problem for Van Dongen is if he was aware of this information at the he was in governemnt (he was Solicitor General after all) why did he not do his duty as Ujjal Dosanjh did when he became aware of Glen Clark's misdeeds. Perhaps because the evidence was not sufficient? At his point in it the hands of Paul Fraser, the Conflict Commissioner. Under the act, Fraser has the power to determine how to proceed. If he finds insufficient grounds, he can reject the request without significant further investigation. Or, if he found a prima facie case for a violation of the act, he could order a full-blown inquiry, with powers to summon witnesses, take testimony under oath and compel the production of documents and records. In the event he were to find a breach of the act, the commissioner has the power to recommend a number of penalties, ranging from a reprimand, a suspension, a fine not exceeding $5,000 or the outright vacating of the member's seat, necessitating a byelection. Unless of course you believe that the Conflict Commissioner Paul Fraser is also part of this conspiracy to protect Christy Clark? And this issue has been kept front and centre for Bill Tielman - the BC NDP insider with a media pulpit who acts as a stalking horse for the BC NDP so they can claim that there hands are clean. You do know who Tielman is do you not? He is president of West Star Communications, a strategy and communications consulting firm that has the BC NDP and big labour as clients. Previously, he was the communications director in the B.C. Premier's Office of Glen Clark who has worked closely with Adrian Dix over the years including the attempt to derail the police and conflict of interest investigations into Casinogate. And he was communications at the BC Federation of Labour. He was the BC NDP's liaison to The Zalm during the anti-Hst campaign allowing the BC NDP to maintain the fiction on non-involvement. Tielman's latest venture? Well as he promotes in his opinion pieces... "(P)lease join my group Basi-Virk Public Inquiry on Facebook." http://www.facebook....51804803?v=info Bill Tielman - just a neutral political journalist, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 As the police, courts and all the BC Rail documents released by the trial judge to the media say - nothing to do with Christy Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 You didn't answer my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Yeah, I'm going to go with Van dongen on this one. Just like you want to go with mr Dosanj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Nope just her brother and her party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Yeah, never mind. Point missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Yeah, never mind. Point missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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