VanGnome Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Let us first take a look at the needs of the Canucks, and focus on the strengths they can potentially pull from to make a deal: Needs: T6 scoring threat, 3rd Line C, 4th line effectiveness Strengths: Goaltending, mid level prospects, defensive depth. 1st proposal: To VAN: C Bozak D Holzer G Scrivens To TOR: G Luongo Pick: 2013 3rd round The reasoning here is simple, Kadri isn't going anywhere and Gillis isn't going to get the top flight prospect like he wants, Holzer is projected to be a steady defensive defenceman but has the size, youth (relative) and right handedness that Gillis ought to be seeking for the bottom defensive pairing with Tanev likely looking to make the T4 permanently next season. Bozak fills in the 2C position until Kesler returns, at which point he fills out the 3C. Scrivens backs up Schneider due to Luongo's departure and is cheap for next season which ensures some insurance for Lack who is still coming back from injury. 2nd Proposal: Buffalo should be looking to rebuild, without a doubt. Canucks need a legit T6 scoring threat in addition to the Sedin arsenal. To VAN: F Vanek To BUF: C Schroeder Pick: 2013 1st round Pick: 2014 2nd round Schroeder has performed admirably and has upside yet to achieve, though with Gillis wanting to get bigger and stronger Schroeder just doesn't fit that mold. Now, Vanek isn't that mold either but what he is is a legitimate scoring threat that we desperately need to fill out the T6 ranks. After both moves: Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Vanek - Bozak - Hansen Raymond - Lapierre - Kassian Higgins - Ebbett - Ballard/Pinizzotto/Wiese/Sestito Hamhuis - Bieksa Edler - Tanev Garrison - Holzer Alberts Barker Schneider Scrivens With Kesler back: Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Vanek - Kesler - Hansen Raymond - Bozak - Kassian Higgins - Lapierre - Ballard/Pinizzotto/Wiese/Sestito Hamhuis - Bieksa Edler - Tanev Garrison - Holzer Alberts Barker Schneider Scrivens In the off season, Amnesty buyout Ballard and Booth (if unable to trade them), let Raymond walk (he's more valuable to us this season than to trade him) Re-sign: Bozak (3.0 M Cap Hit) Lapierre (1.5 M Cap Hit) Pinizzotto (0.750 M Cap Hit) Sestito (0.650 M Cap Hit) Give a raise to Tanev (2.0 M Cap Hit) Promote: Jensen (Serious look) Sedin - Sedin - Burrows (16.7 M) Vanek - Kesler - Hansen (IMO he's stepped up and developed into that good 2 way RW we've needed in the T6) (13.49 M) Jensen - Bozak - Kassian (4.77 M) Sestito - Lapierre - Pinizzotto (2.9 M) 37.86 M Edler - Bieksa (9.6 M) Hamhuis - Tanev (6.5 M) <- Uber T4 shutdown line Garrison - Holzer (5.39 M) 21.49 M Schneider (4.0 M) Scrivens (0.613 M) 4.613 Total Cap Hit: 63.963 M, Next year's cap: 64.3 M, just over 300K under the cap. This will allow for the Canucks to re-sign Vanek the following year at or below his existing salary, allow for a raise to Hansen, and allow for the higher salary of Lack to come on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danthecanucksfan Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 we get raped in both EDIT: with no lubricant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollyworld Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Let us first take a look at the needs of the Canucks, and focus on the strengths they can potentially pull from to make a deal: Needs: T6 scoring threat, 3rd Line C, 4th line effectiveness Strengths: Goaltending, mid level prospects, defensive depth. 1st proposal: To VAN: C Bozak D Holzer G Scrivens To TOR: G Luongo Pick: 2013 3rd round The reasoning here is simple, Kadri isn't going anywhere and Gillis isn't going to get the top flight prospect like he wants, Holzer is projected to be a steady defensive defenceman but has the size, youth (relative) and right handedness that Gillis ought to be seeking for the bottom defensive pairing with Tanev likely looking to make the T4 permanently next season. Bozak fills in the 2C position until Kesler returns, at which point he fills out the 3C. Scrivens backs up Schneider due to Luongo's departure and is cheap for next season which ensures some insurance for Lack who is still coming back from injury. 2nd Proposal: Buffalo should be looking to rebuild, without a doubt. Canucks need a legit T6 scoring threat in addition to the Sedin arsenal. To VAN: F Vanek To BUF: C Schroeder Pick: 2013 1st round Pick: 2014 2nd round Schroeder has performed admirably and has upside yet to achieve, though with Gillis wanting to get bigger and stronger Schroeder just doesn't fit that mold. Now, Vanek isn't that mold either but what he is is a legitimate scoring threat that we desperately need to fill out the T6 ranks. After both moves: Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Vanek - Bozak - Hansen Raymond - Lapierre - Kassian Higgins - Ebbett - Ballard/Pinizzotto/Wiese/Sestito Hamhuis - Bieksa Edler - Tanev Garrison - Holzer Alberts Barker Schneider Scrivens With Kesler back: Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Vanek - Kesler - Hansen Raymond - Bozak - Kassian Higgins - Lapierre - Ballard/Pinizzotto/Wiese/Sestito Hamhuis - Bieksa Edler - Tanev Garrison - Holzer Alberts Barker Schneider Scrivens In the off season, Amnesty buyout Ballard and Booth (if unable to trade them), let Raymond walk (he's more valuable to us this season than to trade him) Re-sign: Bozak (3.0 M Cap Hit) Lapierre (1.5 M Cap Hit) Pinizzotto (0.750 M Cap Hit) Sestito (0.650 M Cap Hit) Give a raise to Tanev (2.0 M Cap Hit) Promote: Jensen (Serious look) Sedin - Sedin - Burrows (16.7 M) Vanek - Kesler - Hansen (IMO he's stepped up and developed into that good 2 way RW we've needed in the T6) (13.49 M) Jensen - Bozak - Kassian (4.77 M) Sestito - Lapierre - Pinizzotto (2.9 M) 37.86 M Edler - Bieksa (9.6 M) Hamhuis - Tanev (6.5 M) <- Uber T4 shutdown line Garrison - Holzer (5.39 M) 21.49 M Schneider (4.0 M) Scrivens (0.613 M) 4.613 Total Cap Hit: 63.963 M, Next year's cap: 64.3 M, just over 300K under the cap. This will allow for the Canucks to re-sign Vanek the following year at or below his existing salary, allow for a raise to Hansen, and allow for the higher salary of Lack to come on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted March 30, 2013 Author Share Posted March 30, 2013 we get raped in both EDIT: with no lubricant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksFanMike Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I wouldn't do the 1st deal..... we should try to get a solid prospect and high pick for luongo The 2nd deal I might do.... not sure either team does it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted March 30, 2013 Author Share Posted March 30, 2013 I wouldn't do the 1st deal..... we should try to get a solid prospect and high pick for luongo The 2nd deal I might do.... not sure either team does it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Let us first take a look at the needs of the Canucks, and focus on the strengths they can potentially pull from to make a deal: Needs: T6 scoring threat, 3rd Line C, 4th line effectiveness Strengths: Goaltending, mid level prospects, defensive depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Sometimes you just have to hedge your bets and make the best of what you can, Bozak, Scrivens and Holzer is not a bad return at all, considering the cap implications of next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted March 30, 2013 Author Share Posted March 30, 2013 While it can be argued that the Canucks are getting long-term gain by movoving Luongo's contract, in the short term you are bringing back over $3.5 million in additional cap with your trade proposals. If the main pieces in these deals were to re-sign here then the cap is further stressed. You would sign Bozak for $3 million. Do you propose that the Canucks should try to re-sign Vanek? Or do you suggest that the team try to flip him at or before next year's trade deadline? regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 The idea behind the proposals are a Higgins/Lapierre sort of mentality; short term picks ups who ended up fulfilling a longer term purpose. Vanek being only 29 could potentially re-sign for another 4-5 years, and Bozak could re-sign for the same term. In this regard it's worthwhile to mortgage an uncertain future (Shroeder, picks) for assets who can help the team ensure a perennial contention for the Stanley Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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