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26 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said:
No way dude.. if he kept his motion going to his left he even had a chance to keep that puck in the zone. The mistake was made as soon as he decided to put on the brakes and make a move to his right. I'm not saying that was necessarily obvious at real time but if you watch the video again, that was definitely his best option
Oh… my god…. If you watch the clip again, Gubranson wasnt reaching 10 feet out to get the puck, it was in tight to his reach, he had to stop and try to bring the puck back the other way because it was in too tight for him on his backhand and being under pressure, its just as easy of a poke check, gubranson would have to carry the puck in his backhand, which puts the puck on the side of the attacker, he would have to move the puck tight along the blueline to keep it in on his backhand, while not pulling it back and away from the forechecker.
tie up your guy on the faceoff for .2, seconds and this whole issue is avoided. There is time for gudbranson to move it to his forehand and make a play. Instead he is stuck on his backhand awkwardly in tight, cant make a proper pass in tight on the backhand like that, one stride too much and he overskates it. Its a broken play and a forechecker who was free to walk up the middle and attack. That is on the forward to buy his dman time.-
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Just now, Chickenspear said:
You say it's 100% on the forwards, I say a veteran D could have made a better play. We'll just have to agree to disagree I guess.
Agree to disagree. I say a rookie forward could have tied up his guy off the draw for a split second which would have bought Gudbranson enough time to make the play he was trying, moving the puck from the weakside to his strong side to make a play.
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3 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said:
I'm pretty sure he backed out past the blueline for the exact reason of giving Guddy a passing option dude..
but he was waaaaaaay over by the bench, he should have stepped back and closer to guddy to take away the middle of the ice incase anything went wrong. Which it did… leaving the entire middle of the ice wide open. Sure Gudbranson could have exited the zone and started a regroup, but he still needed to get control of the puck. He had to pull it in a bit to actually put a bit of mustard on the pass to send it to the other dman. Either way, guddy was put in an awkward spot, the forwards failed to buy him a fraction of a second to maybe get that puck pulled over to the forehand or to dish it outside the zone and to his partner who was in no mans land
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15 minutes ago, Chickenspear said:
This is the last time I'll address this, because this is the GDT, not the Guddy thread.
The forward would have been deeper in the zone and stick out of reach of the puck if Guddy moved to the middle. We see this kind of play all the time. The problem with the image you're using, is that he's already being checked. It's not showing that 1 second earlier he could have taken that stride to the middle and opening up another option.
Good talk though.
The problem is the forwards leaving their dman in a pickle. Its plain and simple.
Once again… on his backhand, in tight… any more strides towards the middle and hes overstepping the puck on his backhand which is the most difficult to play the puck in tight. Its why its best to have rights on the right side and lefties on the left. Your stronger along the boards in puck battles, its easier to control the puck coming off the boards from your forehand and you can send the puck over to the other dman. You cant make that play on your backhand side, you need to move it to the forehand, which is exactly what Gudbranson tried to do. the coach is going to rip the forwards a part for letting a guy take a straight line to a dman who is the last line of defence. If he doesnt have enough time and loses the puck its a free skate into the other end, which is exactly what happened.End of story
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11 minutes ago, Chickenspear said:
I know that's what Guddy tried to do, but that freeze frame is when he's already started him momentum back towards the boards. He had the time if he had kept his momentum towards the middle, opening up the backhand play. Note the angle of his skates in that frame. Arrow on the left is exaggerated, but 2'-3' more to the middle would have made the difference.
And look where the oilers stick is. Its taking away ANY backhand play. First off like i said a few times now. Look at where Gudbranson took the puck, it was in tight on his backhand side. If he keeps skating like you want him to, he is going to overskate the puck and its goint to be in even tighter to his feet and even more awkward to deal with on his backhand. If it was his forehand, SURE he could possibly skate onto it and push it forward and skate with it. It is not so easy to skate onto a puck in tight on your back hand
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37 minutes ago, Chickenspear said:
If he put himself in a better position, yes, he had enough time to make a play. Yes it is a peewee level play to tie your man up and take a penalty.
I'm saying he should have been moving towards the middle, facing the middle, and chipping it off the wall behind him on his backhand, where his winger is... what is so hard to understand about that?
Off a scramble draw like that? the winger pushed the puck back to Guddy, so now if he ties up a man, it's interference.
If he had moved to the middle as I have said, he would have opened up the backhand chip to the wall, which his winger could retrieve, being the closest to where it should have ended up.
And yes, I played for 17 or so years. I was a scoring forward that could play C, and both wings, while being defensively responsible, which involves covering the point when the d-man jumps up, and making those types of plays.
STAND YOUR GROUND!! BATTLE FOR THE LANE. Dont give the up the god damn highway to hell. Make him go around you, its buying your team time on the the ice to make a play. ITS NOT INTERFERENCE
Guddy moved to the bloody middle to get the puck, he tried to step back the other way and get around the checker. If Guddy keeps going to the middle, on his bloody backhand he is an easy check. No lateral movement whatsoever. He is a sitting duck. What do you not understand about that. If he keeps going to the middle, on his backhand, he is stuck on his backhand and has very little options, far less options than trying to pull it to the forehand and dish it down low.
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17 minutes ago, Chickenspear said:
If he put himself in a better position, yes, he had enough time to make a play. Yes it is a peewee level play to tie your man up and take a penalty.
I'm saying he should have been moving towards the middle, facing the middle, and chipping it off the wall behind him on his backhand, where his winger is... what is so hard to understand about that?
Off a scramble draw like that? the winger pushed the puck back to Guddy, so now if he ties up a man, it's interference.
If he had moved to the middle as I have said, he would have opened up the backhand chip to the wall, which his winger could retrieve, being the closest to where it should have ended up.
And yes, I played for 17 or so years. I was a scoring forward that could play C, and both wings, while being defensively responsible, which involves covering the point when the d-man jumps up, and making those types of plays.
DUDE HES ON HIS BACKHAND THE FORWARD IS BEHIND HIM. The puck STILL has to move LATERALLY BACK TOWARD the forward. He is still under pressure and has to move the puck in a similar path as his attempt to drag it back in.
So you played Hockey.. good to know, I still do and I am a Dman.
So let me just walk you through this one more time.
Guddy took the puck on his backhand, correct?
It was in tight on his backhand, correct?He got poke checked trying to shift it from backhand to forehand, while the puck was still on his backhand, correct?
Okay now that we broke down that play, lets break down the play you wanted him to make.
Puck is on his backhand, he should move it on his backhand to the forward on the wall. Right?
How do you move the puck on your backhand behind you? By moving the puck across your body.
If he makes a backhand pass, he has to somewhat follow through, you cant make a pass without moving your stick. HE WOULD STILL BE POKE CHECKED. ITS A BACKHAND PLAY EITHER WAY. Passing or shifting it to the forehand And now Im the pissed off Dman because you are the goal scoring forward who parted the bloody seas and is looking to chisel a tip in shot from the point. Meanwhile im dealing with a puck in tight on my backhand with a guy coming almost full speed and Im still just trying to get control of the puck.
100% that is your fault for putting me in that situation and not buying me any time, the only way I can possibly buy myself a split second of time is to try and make lateral movement to open up space because YOU left your man free to walk right up the middle and attack me.
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8 minutes ago, stawns said:
you can maintain your space on the ice, that's it. You cannot move to impede an opposing players progress, even on a face off.
Exactly. You can line up tight to the guy off the draw and tie him up for a brief second, engage forwards. Im not saying grab the guy and get both hands on him. Just engage him and he cant come straight out. Dont step to the side and let him skate straight at your dman whos on is still moving for the puck on his weakside. .2 more of a second for Guddy gives him enough time to move the puck laterally across his body, avoid the poke check and get the puck on his strong side. Its simple hockey from the faceoff that was a huge breakdown. Guddy is moving laterally to get the puck, while the oiler forward is skating a direct path. Guddy needs to move laterally back the other way to relieve pressure and separate himself from the checker, his forwards didnt buy him ANY time
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12 minutes ago, Chickenspear said:
As soon as the puck is drawn back from the faceoff dot, yes you have to let the guy go. Otherwise that is interference.
1) If Guddy keeps his momentum going towards the middle, he can take the puck with both hands on his stick and chip it off the wall to his waiting winger. It's a play that peewee level players can do.
2) When did I say he should turn his back to the play? I said he opened himself up to get easily checked by backing away from the puck. He left the puck sitting in the middle, with one hand on his stick, and his momentum carrying him away from any chance of recovery.
You can blame the forward all you want, but it was a severe misjudgment on Guddy's part.
If Guddy had less than half a bloody second.. .2 of a second more of time, he would have safely made that play. But because the Flames let the Oiler skate right through with a direct path, not having to go through or around anyone, Guddy was instantly under pressure. Its a pretty peewee level play to TIE YOUR MAN UP
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6 minutes ago, Chickenspear said:
As soon as the puck is drawn back from the faceoff dot, yes you have to let the guy go. Otherwise that is interference.
1) If Guddy keeps his momentum going towards the middle, he can take the puck with both hands on his stick and chip it off the wall to his waiting winger. It's a play that peewee level players can do.
2) When did I say he should turn his back to the play? I said he opened himself up to get easily checked by backing away from the puck. He left the puck sitting in the middle, with one hand on his stick, and his momentum carrying him away from any chance of recovery.
You can blame the forward all you want, but it was a severe misjudgment on Guddy's part.
How does a guy take a puck on the backhand and face towards the player behind him?
And NO It is not interference to tie a guy up for a split second off the draw. Watch tonight, you’ll see guys battling off the draw. Its interference if you go out of your way to step into the guy and stop him. Why and how the f*** is the oiler forward able to skate a completely straight line at Guddy. The flames forwards basically parted the sea’s for him
Guddys one and only “outlet” pass is on his forehand side, not his backhand.
If Guddy keeps going to the middle, the wall is further and further away and he is on his backhand. Its not an easy chip to make because the has to send the puck over THE SAME way he tried to carry it.
do you play hockey or at least play defence? Honest question.
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38 minutes ago, Chickenspear said:
Well, for one, if you tie up and prevent the winger from moving toward the blue line off the faceoff, they'd call interference. 2nd, the forward was open for a pass down the wall, 3rd, Guddy opened himself up to get easily checked by a) one hand on the stick, and b) moving his body away from the puck before he had control. If he had 2 hands on the stick, it would have been an easy backhand tap off the wall to maintain possession, or recognizing he's under pressure, bring the puck back to center to regroup.
I agree about the other defenceman though. Should have recognized the situation, and slid back to around the center ice faceoff circle.
No actually its not interfere off the draw. You can tie a guy up for a split second. You’re both stationary. If the guy was already in stride and you go out of your way to step into him and hold him up, its interference. Even if he doesnt “tie him up” he could get in his way and force the guy to take a different route that might buy Guddy some time to make that play. Instead of allowing a straight run at him
1) Gudbranson had to take the puck on the backhand and get control. If he has to reach out on his back hand with 2 hands on the stick, he is not set up to make a pass. Hes reaching for control. Using 1 hand to stop the puck and pull it in gives him better control. He doesnt have to turn his back to the play.
edit: The reason using 1 hand to pull it in gives better control is because he can open up and move the puck. 2 hands on the stick for that play, Guddy cant open up and step laterally which is what he was trying to do. To step to the side of the forechecker and give himself space and open up a shooting lane or passing lane.
2) if he turns his back to the play he has no options. He cant move laterally and he can easily be checked, which is why I will go back to my first point about using 1 hand on the back hand. He opens himself up to move laterally. He has options IF he has time. He can either get it to his forehand and make a strong pass or dump in to the corner or get a shot on net.
3) the reason why he is moving before having full control of the puck is to separate himself from the checker even further. If he had less than half a second more, the puck would have been moved from backhand to forehand and he would have been able to move the puck to the guy on the boards. But because the forwards did not tie their guy up off the draw for half a second, Guddy was under pressure without full control of the puck and on his backhand. Even if he reaches with 2 hands, his only play to make is a backhand dump in through the middle where there was another coiler waiting.
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1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:
Meanwhile, in Flames land…
I blame the forward 100% The puck came back and he had to take it on his backhand and got poke checked as he was trying to get actual control of the puck. He was caught in an awkward position and tried to get it on the forehand to dump it back in deep. The forward should have had his guy tied up. Thats not entirely on Gudbranson, winger let his man through and Guddy got poke checked. Thats being blown out of proportion because of who it is.
edit: Also wtf is the other dman doing at the bloody bench?! He shouldnt be 70 feet apart from his dman who is under pressure and on his back hand. Guddy has no one to dish the puck to. Zero. zilch. If he backhands that its going to the coiler forward in the high slot and its a break out
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1 hour ago, Quantum said:It's time to waive Juolevi. If he gets claimed, fine. It is what it is. If he's unclaimed, good, the Canucks can monitor him in Abbotsford and see where he progresses as the season goes on. Both Jack Rathbone and Brad Hunt have outplayed Juolevi so far and I don't see Travis Green giving him anymore rope. From an asset management standpoint, the Canucks waiving Juolevi early probably gives them the best chance at keeping him in the organization but it won't be a huge loss if he gets claimed. He has no trade value at the moment.
Good teams don't hang onto mediocre players because of draft pedigree. They ice the best team to win. Bad teams hang onto mediocre players hoping for better.
In recent memory, the Chicago Blackhawks, Pittsburgh Penguins, and Tampa Bay Lightning have all cut ties to underperforming first rounders.
Chicago blew it with first round busts like Jack Skille, Cam Barker, Dylan Olsen, Kyle Beach, and Mark McNeill during the Blackhawks most recent run of dominance. They moved on from all those players within 5 years of drafting them.
Pittsburgh blew it with first round misses like Derrick Pouliot, Angelo Esposito, Simon Depres, Beau Bennett, and Joe Morrow during their recent run of Cups. They didn't desperately hold onto those players just because they were first rounders.And Tampa Bay recently did this with first round duds like Slater Koekkok, Brett Connolly (not a dud like the others but he never lived up to being a third overall pick), and Jonathan Drouin (again, not the biggest dud and they turned him into Mikael Serguchev but he never lived up to being a third overall pick).
In all these cases, those teams cut bait when it was time. It's time now. The Canucks held onto Virtanen for too long and that cost them. They shouldn't make the same mistake here.
Send him down and see what happens, that's what should happen.
And I know it's one game but between this game, training camp, and last season I just don't see Juolevi thriving here. He seems like he is in need of a change in scenery.
So because Rathbone had a goal and an apple on the PP he’s head and shoulders above the rest?
Yet OJ killed JRs piss poor tripping call on his bad positioning, OJ stifled the oppostions NHL roster PP, won puck battles on the PK and got the puck out of the zone.. OJ made up for the the lack of D the team had. Hunt played great as well. But Rathbone was getting worked in his own zone. He’s great in the ozone, but not ready to be an NHL caliber Dzone guy. Until he learns the dzone, he is a liability. We cant have him AND Hughes getting bent over.
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25 minutes ago, cdgraham said:
What are you going on about
Go read the pages prior.
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2 hours ago, Pure961089 said:
My point is even if Juolevi plays at his defensive best Rathbone is still better than Juolevi….Defensively And Offensively. And if you’re comparing penalties it doesn’t say much about Juolevi if he doesn’t have a decent amount of penalties, if he’s supposed to be a physical d he should have his share of penalties by default. But he doesn’t compete hard enough to get penalties. That’s the issue.
Rathbone is not better defensively, he was pretty bad in his own zone tonight. OJ wasnt. Sure Rathbone is a stud in the ozone, but in the NHL you gotta be good in your own zone. We cant have Hughes AND Rathbone getting hemmed in on 2 separate pairings and turning the puck over.
Also.. clearly you dont know much about OJ… HES NOT A PHYSICAL DMAN. HES POSITIONAL. He plays positional D, low risk, smart first pass kind of D and he is good for making stretch passes too. Hes like a Dan Hamhuis kind of D without the hipcheck. Positional
also getting penalties isnt a sign of “competing” thats loss of positioning, bad plays and stupid penalties. Lmao you want a guy to compete by taking penalties LOOOOOOL. LOLOLOL YOU WANT A PLAYER TO COMPETE TO TAKE PENALTIES??!!! did I seriously just read that??? You must be a maple laffs troll.
Please just listen to what you just said
”he doesnt compete hard enough to get penalties. Thats the issue”
LOL
So Rathbone “competed” hard to take that bad trip early in the game, because he
1) pivoted to the inside rather than pivoting into the player towards the outside, creating a gap between him and the player to take a step around him
2) he got turned inside out because he pivoted the wrong way
3) he had no other choice but to reach out and get his stick in the guys skates and take him down
THANKS FOR PUTTING US ON THE PK JACK, WE REALLY ARE GLAD YOU COMPETED HARD ENOUGH TO PUT US ON THE PK, WE REALLY NEEDED TO WORK ON SPECIAL TEAMS TONIGHT.
Rathbone is a stud in the ozone, hands down he is a slick motherf*cker… but in the dzone he was losing battles, out positioned, coughing up the puck.
OJ was solid in our zone, negated the other teams PP and helped exit the zone safely. He helped contain the pressure to the outside and he would win the puck battle and make the simple and safe play to relieve pressure and get the puck out.
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Great play by OJ there on basically a 3 on 1
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5 minutes ago, Knucklehd said:
Joulevi does a good job at getting shots through, nice lateral movement on the line too.
Hes had good gap control tonight, hes keeping guys to the outside and on the PK he has been getting the puck and getting it out. Hes playing smart, nothing flashy, just simplifying things. I personally think OJ has been having a solid game and hes doing it quietly. Just good positioning, good stick work and safe, smart passes. Or off the glass and out.
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27 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:
Wasn’t much of a penalty, Rathbone reached for the puck and the Kraken forward couldn’t control his speed and fell down. Weak call.
Lol weak call?? That was a bad penalty you cant even argue that one bit.
Rathbone is playing great offensively, but he is not looking good in his own zone. OJ has been solid tonight in his own zone. He has had great gap control, good stick work, winning puck battles and getting the puck out safely. Rathbone had a bad give away, then failed to win a puck battle to a guy on the ice with 1 stick on his hand and then the puck was in the back of the net shortly after.
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7 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:
Green wasn’t playing Edler that much before Covid hit Rathbone took his spot but now that we have OEL he probably goes back to the 3rd pairing. Cheers! Enjoy the game bud.
Sooo like how come Rathbone only got 8 games bud?
Where was he all season?
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Just now, Alflives said:
Does OJ look slow, or is he slow?
OJ has kept everything to the outside. So far he hasnt been burned or turned inside out. He is managing gap control quite well through the 1st
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2 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:
Green used him as a top 4 down the stretch. When we have a healthy team he’s top 6.
Oh wow gee hes a top 6 of 7 d CRAZY. What a genius analysis
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6 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:
And he just assisted on Boesers goal lol. The skill gap is embarrassing. Faked the shot and deked out the Kraken D out of his ball cup.
As I said, IF YOU CAN EVEN READ. Rathbone is a top 4 guy, you pencil him in as a 3rd pair. Are you sure you know what you are talkin about?
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4 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:
And he just assisted on Boesers goal lol. The skill gap is embarrassing. Faked the shot and deked out the Kraken D out of his ball cup.
YOU WANT TO USE HIS SKILL SET ON THE 3RD PAIRING LOL, talk about wasting talent.
[GDT/PGT - Preseason] Calgary @ Vancouver Monday, Sept. 27/21 7:00 PM Abbotsford Centre
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Heres what yours and that other posters ideal move is for Gudbranson
- skate onto the puck on his backhand and hope to be able to handle it in tight on his backhand and hope to not overskate it
- carry it on the backhand and make a backhand pass.
You have on option, a backhand pass
Heres what a veteran move is
- take the puck on the backhand
- move the puck laterally to the forehand and cross over towards the inside
once Ive crossed over, ive taken the puck on my backhand from 3 feet to the left to 6 feet across my body and onto my forehand
- I have stepped to the side of the forecheck at this point
- i now have the puck on my forehand
- no forechecker directly infront of me
- From here I have 3 options
- get a shot on net
- pass it to the forward on the wall
- dump it in
My 3 options are far better and far more useful and higher chance plays than your 1 option of trying to dish a puck on the backhand across your body as a poke check is coming in the from the opposite side of the puck and going to meet head on with your backhand, you are stranded and stuck with no more options.
You think because the puck is on your backhand side that you have to carry it and move it with the backhand. A veteran would know that they have more options, such as moving it from the backhand to the forehand for better control and being on their strong side.
Go grab a stick and try to make a 2 handed backhand toe drag in tight and across your body. You cant, your bottom hand will tie you up. With your top hand on the stick and your bottom hand off the stick, you can pull the puck in tight and across your body in tight.
Its the forwards fault Guddy had no time. Straight up that play broke down and fell a part on the drop of the puck