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18 minutes ago, rekker said:
The thing with waivers is he needs to stay on a roster or go back on waivers and we get first dibs? I just don't see a scenario where he beats out Rathbone. Maybe if there are injuries. I support my team and if your a Canuck, I pretty much stand behind the player. I'm just seeing a patern of weakness and brittle health with this player. I hope he finds his groove and I'm wrong. I really do. Kids got good skills and smarts.
He may not beat out Rathbone and thats a completely fair statement. But if Rathbone doesnt require waivers and Juolevi does, would it not be better asset management to send Rathbone down and keep Juolevi up? And say if injury occurs, Rathbone can come up. Why risk losing a prospect for nothing, when the kid has hardly had a fair shake. Also Idk if Juolevi is brittle or just had some bad luck, sorta like Salo. Just because a guy gets injured lots doesnt mean hes brittle, he just plays a really hard f***ing game. Personally I’d like to see Juolevi get caught up to game shape after all hes gone through the past couple years and then see where hes at before I make my own personal assessment
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20 minutes ago, rekker said:
I did say I give him the benefit of the doubt if the Covid is effecting him. But he looked weak before that. His turns are slow, no jump and that was evident last year. He's smart, passes well, buy in my opinion a long ways off. I think it's actually good he looks like crap right now. He will pass through waivers fine as no team is going to put him in the lineup as is. He can get stronger in the minors. Just being honest. He's got a ways to go.
I think there will be a team out there willing to take a free flyer on a guy. Hes a former 5th overall, he’s young, he showed some decent potential in a short amount of time. Carries a low cap hit, its a low risk waiver guy. If he doesnt pan out, he gets put back on waivers. The reason I could see him getting claimed is despite some injuries and the length of time he has spent rehabilitating etc, he’s shown some potential in a small sample size and is still a relatively unknown. Someone could take a chance and give him an opportunity and he could very well flourish with a couple healthy seasons. I’d rather gamble on the unknown than gamble on a guy who is clearly waiver bound because he is not NHL quality. Low risk high reward. Wouldnt you think?
I get thats how you feel and thats your honest view/opinion and i respect that. But I think we need to consider his past history of knee surgeries and back surgeries at a young age, the kid has hardly gone a mile in the league and has gone through more repairs than a Ford. His slow turns could still be part of a long road to back/knee recovery. Those are some serious area’s to rehab and get back up to the professional level. That being said, that could be a deterrent for claiming him on waivers, but at the same time he’s basically being put in a box at the side of the road with a free sign. Who wouldnt take a look and see if they have use?
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4 minutes ago, Ur a Towel said:
Not joining in on this argument, however it's better to keep this to PM and sort it out through there. We don't need this thread being derailed by two people arguing and name calling each other. You didn't need to bring this back into the training camp thread.
True dat. My bad, but hopefully this will shut him up
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9 hours ago, Petey_BOI said:
now where did i leave my give a ****, I can't see anything around here your ego's blocking my point of view. have a spectacular night mr.man
You left your give a f*** in my inbox lol. Why do YOU lie about this not givin a f*** statement and then sending me a private message? Trying to be tough mr. man?
Have some decency and spew your venom on the page for everyone to see how pathetic you are
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10 hours ago, rekker said:
I know, I know. But seems like this player is like Pigpen on Charlie Brown. Just a dark cloud of dust hovering over him all the time. Always seems to be something hindering his development. To be honest, kid looks weak.
Its not attitude or lack of learning hindering his development. He has had some real bad luck with injuries. Also… kid looks kinda weak? Ummm ya think??? He had COVID and was hit the hardest by it. Its no wonder he looks weak. The kid lost a bunch of weight and could still be dealing with lingering effects.
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7 minutes ago, rekker said:Not a good look for OJ. The combo of Jake and OJ both being busts is a punch in the gut for the franchise. If OJ's lack of conditioning is Covid related, I cut him a big break. If it's not, this is bad news.
COVID, knee surgeries, back surgeries… all before the age of 25. Im not going to read too much into training camp, especially this early into it. This kid has probably spent more time rehabbing and recovering from injuries/surgeries/illness than he has actually preparing for an NHL camp. I think fans need to just back off a bit on their worries this early into camp when the kid has gone through a lot the past few years. He just needs a good stretch of good health
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1 hour ago, Petey_BOI said:
I watched that game, I will stand by what I said. He was slow everywhere with and without the puck. Did he earn any brownie points for starting the fight? not from me, we got a 2 minute instigator penalty.
But the past is long gone, and couldn't really care less about what he did last year. I'm really confused why you twisted my words to make this seem like a negative thing i said.
I just thought it was a little ridiculous to say a guy looks completely lost out there in 4:55 of ice time… thats a little quick to jump to an assumption. Maybe the guy has been sitting around a bit? Hasnt seen much game action the past 2 years. Sat on the taxi squad for a bit. Played 19 games in the A last season and 38 the season prior? Dont you think you’re being a little overly critical of a guy who hasnt played a full game let alone a period worth of shifts?
The comment about the instigator penalty in a game when we are already out of playoffs? Seriously dude? Like really?? You dont give a kid any credit for stepping up and dropping the mitts in his debut, some fan you are bud.
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23 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:I fell asleep from being exhausted due to the pain so i am behind the play. But I think Gadjovich is impressing, maybe we got lucky with seattle picking the wrong player!
He looked out of place last year but this year he is faster and the results are paying off. I would love to see a cinderella story and have him make the team
Out of place in his 4:55TOI? And his 17 mins in pims for dropping the gloves? Just a little critical of the kid dont ya think?
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18 hours ago, Roger Neilsons Towel said:
Before people judge Jack, he is asking for a surgical procedure that has been done for decades in other sports and in Europe and his team of 10 doctors recommends to fix the problem while not limiting his movement (career) and maintaining his long term quality of life.
The Sabres doctors disagree and want him to undergo a more invasive permanent approach that could limit his movement and possibly hinder his career and future quality of life (depending on how his body reacts to the surgery and his recovery).
Now ask yourself. Would you allow the company you work for to make that decision for you? I know I wouldn’t.
That organization is a joke.
100%
It’s his body and his future that he is gambling on. Its his choice, If he’s more comfortable with the other form of surgery, well then if sh*t goes wrong its his own choice and regret. It wouldnt be on the organization. So idk why the organization would want to wear the blame if their guidance leads to a career killing surgery and one that sounds like it is longer recovery and far more invasive? When I saw fusion, right away I’m thinkin hell f***in no. Fusing means less motion…Hows Eichel gunna keep his head on a swivel, use his vision if he doesnt have full range of motion? why not let Eichel go with this other option and if it doesnt work out, perhaps they can still go down the route of fusion. Whereas if they fuse sh*t together, can it be alternatively redone? Like thats not just a gamble on his career, thats a life long choice.
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10 hours ago, AbrasiveAjax said:
I have drank 355 beers, 367 cocktails, 324 glasses of wine and countless elite substances since the last canucks game, I'm ready for the season to begin
I'm training to be an Elite canucks fan.
You’re my f***ing hero
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Can everyone just take a deep breath and relax a little on OJ and OEL?? Its the beginning of training camp, some guys need a few skates to get back into the rhythm. A few other things to consider about OEL and OJ
Juolevi - has not played a full season or close to one since Junior. Those Junior days were probably far less intense, many moons ago and nowhere near as demanding as at the NHL level. To add to that note, Juolevi has had knee and back injuries that required surgery the last few years. He was also one of the hardest hit by COVID and lost weight due to the virus. He has hardly had an opportunity to be healthy and free of rehabilitation to train and prepare for any pro camps. OJ could still be battling some lingering respiratory issues and may very well need a bit more time to get the lungs back to normal, thats if there are no serious long term effects. Without proper oxygen intake, OJ’s body isnt going to be able to handle the demand.
OEL - Had knee surgery a year ago. Perhaps he isn’t trying to push himself too hard and suffer any potential set backs early in camp. Let him get his legs under him, focus on proper stride/technique to help reinforce muscle memory. Repetition. Focus on stride and build that into a natural process to avoid re-injury/strain.
Lets just let training camp get the guys back into shape and worry about the game time performance.
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4 minutes ago, Alflives said:
If OJ had double pneumonia he would have been in the hospital. He was really sick, and lost weight, but double pneumonia (with Covid) is hospital time.
I believe OJ was hit the hardest by COVID. Wasnt there an interview or something saying how OJ was one of the guys who had it the worst? Maybe hes still dealing with some lingering effects? That and he hasnt played a ton of hockey the past few years… the kid hasnt even really had a chance to get fully conditioned in 3-4 years. All I hope is that he’s able to stay healthy and get a full season of hockey under his belt, be it in the minors or with the big club.
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6 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:
This is the information we have available to us on the player at the moment, and it is concerning, especially considering that his foot speed has been a big issue for him since his knee surgery. Nobody is doing the team of the player any favors by looking for excuses to give the guy a free pass.
And right there you have it. Perhaps he is focusing more on proper stride instead of speed? Rehabbing through repetition, reducing chance of re-injury. It is just the beginning of training camp… no need to go all out and potentially have a set back.
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28 minutes ago, -Moose said:
Was just gunna say haha
Didn't bubble Myers constantly take stupid minors? I distinctly remember three in a row one game
I seem to remember a couple of calls because Myers was the bigger guy too… He did take a couple bad ones tough, but also got nailed for being big. Its kinda BS when Chara is able to excercise his size and take some “bad penalties” but everyone praises him for being big and nasty, Myers tries and gets crucified by the reffs AND the fans.
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4 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:
I wouldn't rush to judgements on these teams. The following all have chances to have a good year and possibly be better than us.
LAK
NJD
OTT - Gunna be a sick team in a couple years
CHI
MTL
NYR
CGY
PHI
MIN
Good post though. Lots of reason for optimism.
This is my personal view on these teamsLAK is still a couple years away, not to mention Kopitar and Doughty’s careers are winding down. They have a ton of youth, but like all young teams, they need some experience. I give them a couple years and they are going to be a good team
NJD have a fair amount of young talent. Once again though, they need some time to marinateOTT is pretty damn close to being a seriously competitive team. Goaltending is where they are a bit weak, for now.
CHI could be a pretty good team, but how is Toews going to be when he comes back? How is Fleury going to follow up that unreal season on a weaker Chicago team? He had a great run in VGK, but they were a contending team. Hes not on a contender anymore and there are some holes/weak spots on his new team.
MTL - No weber, they upgraded on Kotkaniemi with Dvorak, Drouin is back this season, they’ll have Caufield, But I really feel like last season was their one shot at a cup, until they can find a Carey Price replacement at 1/2 the cap hit, they are going to struggle. I just dont really do not see them making the playoffs in a divisional spot, but maybe sneak into a wildcard spot, the east still has quite a few beasts.
NYR - I’ll agree that they are a good lookin, up and coming team. I just feel like we are a little ahead of them.
CGY - that team got another year older and up until today, they havent done much to get better.
They remind me of the 2013-14 Canucks, stale and they stink. Idk what it is, but whenever Calgary is on TV i feel like puking watching them play, they are just blehhhh.
PHI - they’ve got quite a few guys 29+ and they are core guys…. Sure they have some decent young guys, but the bigger pieces on that team are older and going to be big holes to fill.
MIN - those buyouts are going to cause some migraines for the next 5 years…
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32 minutes ago, Zhukini said:
You can defend the team, I just think it’s a little confusing because as Jack defends his brother saying that he was on a bad team last year and that he’s better than what he showed…
You mentioned the name himself, that’s been the story for everyone here about OEL since he was acquired.
I don’t see where either party’s wrong there
I was actually moreso going at another fan, i just threw in the Jack Hughes comment at the end. Also being his brother, you think he would be privy to what the Quinn Hughes and the team went through with COVID. Calling us one of the worst teams is incorrect, we were a better team than where we finished and we finished ahead of 7 teams while we battled COVID, no star player, the handsdown worst scheduling for an entire season (thanks to the timing of COVID hitting us) and we still only missed the playoffs by 9 points. Thats pretty impressive considering all that we went through.
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47 minutes ago, NHL97OneTimer said:
If QH and EP don't upset the apple cart before or during preseason, this team has a great shot of doing something this year. Benning said the team is 2 years away from contending but I think they will be a strong team this year.
100% this team is going to be exciting to watch. I feel confident about the roster we have and that we can be a playoff team and make some noise. Our window is just opening and I think with just a little bit more experience playing at the NHL level to go with all the talent, heart and perseverance this club has… we are going to be headed for a great run. If you look at some of the usual contenders, they are pretty old… we are closing in on the careers of Ovechkin, Backstrom, Malkin, Crosby, Bergeron, we are only a handful of years away from seeing some of the most dominant players the last 15 years, call it a career. While teams like Boston, Washington, Pittsburgh are all past their best before dates and are heading towards an inevitable retool/rebuild, Vancouver is on the ascension. Teams like Vegas, Nashville, Dallas, St. Louis, New York Islanders, Winnipeg are all kinda hitting that plateau and are going to start regressing… They have a few young guys on those teams, but they have quite a few 28+ guys. I feel like Vancouver is on the climb at the right time and if teams like Toronto and Edmonton cant build a team around 2-3 players taking up 10+mil, their window to win will be very short and they may very well see a big start moved out of town to help afford building an actual team and not a one or two man show. Its all about timing… and I feel like this is good timing for us. I think Colorado, Florida and Carolina are going to be challenging teams as our window really begins, luckily for us our window is opening later than those teams. Our peak will be shortly after those top teams plateau… there will be some other teams on our heels, but they will have to go through some growing pains and get some experience under their belts just like we are starting to do.
I think we can all agree that Vancouver is better than
SJS
LAK
ANA
ARI
DET
BUF - on paper they should be much better
CBJ
NJD
OTT - Gunna be a sick team in a couple years
CHI
MTL
NYR
CGY
PHI
MIN - I feel like last year was a fluke for them getting into the playoffs based on the division they were in. Kaprizov is sick, but I feel they aren’t quite there yet.
Teams who are heading down the hill
BOS
WSH
PIT
Teams whos window is closing in the next couple years
TBL
VGK
DAL
NSH
WPG
STL
NYI
Teams whos window is open but not convincing
TOR
EDM
These 2 teams are relying far too much on star power and not a team game. As we saw with McDavid in the WPG series, they played the living crap out of him in that 4th and final game and he could hardly skate in the overtimes, he was played a ridiculous amount. As for TO they have failed every year to win the big games and its been due to depth.
Teams whos window is open and will be for a few years
COL
FLA
CAR
TBD
SEA
Vancouvers window has just begun to open.
Thats my take and how i see the future and the way I personally view the way its trending in the league and I think we are going to hit our peak at the right time.
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1 minute ago, Gawdzukes said:
This whole back and forth regarding Jack's comments are pretty amusing. What do people expect here? Do they think he's supposed to claim we're one of the better teams in the league and say his brother deserves less because he really is terrible. Holy, how about using a shred of common sense and a grain of salt. Lol, our fans are getting worse than tense over this!
I dont care as much about Jack’s comments as I do comments from our own fan base. I said F U to Jack, I am more disgusted with “fans”for saying this team was one of the worst teams. To follow this team and call them the worst team in the league and completely dismiss what this team went through, as a team is downright ignorant. The boys went through absolute hell and I will not stand for anyone bashing this team as a fan after what they went through. They finished low, but they were a lot better than what the standings if it wasnt for COVID.
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41 minutes ago, tas said:
I stopped reading 2 paragraphs in because you're confusing your tenses.
I don't think the canucks are one of the worst teams in the league (neither does jack hughes). having said that. the canucks, factually, were one of the worst teams in the league last year, regardless of circumstances, and that's what jack hughes (and I) said.
Well maybe you should have at least read the last paragraph. It was the most important one.
Unlucky season =/= bad team
You are merely going off standings.
They are not and were not the worst team. They had the hardest obstacles to overcome, unlike any other team in the NHL. I think you are getting your lingo mixed up. Calling a team the worst team is saying they flat out sucked at hockey which is not the case. -
1 hour ago, combover said:
I’d agree if we were a winning team players take discounts but rarely do players take discounts when the team been the laughing stock of the league.
asking them to take less because the gm decided he needed a bottom six Pearson and a bottom pair poolman when we have capable farm hands and knowing cheap depth is always available right now (September)petey and hughes are the players you build a team around , cornerstones, franchise faces, players that fans pay to see. They should have been the top priority as soon as extending them was allowed.
Because a gm is clueless with the cap the superstars need to take less. Petey hughes
i don’t blame them one bit for not signing yet with the info that we have.
Over pay for ufas so rfas need to take the discount.
Jb has no choice they don’t sign he’ll be fired a PR nightmare especially if we don’t come out strong to start the season.
I aready feel like if this team isn’t a winning team by mid November he’ll be gone and that’s with those two , good luck having a winning team with the two best players watching.
market value it changes as the off-season goes just like trades now young superstar dmen are highly paid the gms around the league have set the 2021 standards like it or not.
nhlpa takes issues to when guys take less it hurts the “ union” brothers.
First off we were a winning team the prior season and we were not a laughing stock of the league. Thats Buffalol and Toronto. Buffalo has been in a perpetual rebuild. Toronto finds ways to choke harder than Riley Reid each time the post season comes around.
Tanner Pearson and Poolman are on pretty cheap deals. Would you rather pay more for a declining Toffoli? He is turning 30 within the next year and is on that inevitable downward slope. And instead of Poolman, how about we keep Tanev and pay for a guy whos had a lot of mileage and a tonnnnn of injuries… those injuries are gunna catch up with him.
Or hey, I know, lets just throw some young Abby guys into the lineup and hope to not derail their development. Its worked for Edmonton the past 15 years, why cant it work for us? See the thing with cheap, is you get what you pay for. Cheap young guys for cheap results and a continual learning process as each game goes on. Pay a little extra, put an NHLer in there and let the AHLer develop and graduate to the NHL. Less growing pains at the NHL level, let the learning happen at an understandable pace. Dont force it. You’ll end up with countless Yakupovs. Look at Lafrienierre, J. Hughes, Kakko, Patrick… guys thrown into the NHL when they werent ready, its still early, but those early years of learning are important to a players success as an NHLer, they might take a few years to figure it out and go from being the guy expected to score goals, to grinding it out in the bottom 6 and ultimately failing in that role because they arent that type of player, they are a skill player not a grinder, but the team cant wait forever for a player to figure it out, they gotta try something else.
Also if Benning was clueless with the cap, why would he let Tanev, Markstrom, Toffoli, Stetcher all go? Wouldnt he cluelessly re-sign Toffoli in a flat cap and then let Pearson walk the following season? He’d pay more for Toffoli and have less room? Or resign Tanev and not even consider Poolman for half the value? Or use a buyout on Holtby and find Halak as a cheaper option? Benning is working his way around the flat cap and getting decent to good value for the players he is bringing in and the cap hit they come at.
You blame a GM for a flat cap that no one saw coming. Had the cap risen, we would have ZERO cap concerns and despite these “cap concerns” hes put together a pretty damn fun looking team along with enough cap space to get his 2 big RFAs inked. If he really f***ed it up, we would have to pull a rabbit out of our arse to sign BOTH.
Also, isnt EVERY UFA overpaid? You pay more because they ARE UFAs…. They can sign anywhere they want and take the best deal available. Not to mention even if its a fair deal today, in a few years they are no longer playing to the same level of the contract. They do slow down, they do age and they do decline, but their contract doesnt until its off the books.
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1 hour ago, tas said:
that touchy Vancouver persecution complex is showing.
the Canucks were last place in a bad division last year. there is literally no other way to describe them other than as one of the worst teams in the league.
Worst division went to the finals lol? What does that say about the conference? If you want to describe the Canucks as one of the worst teams in the league based on last season, you can just head on over to the Maple Leafs forums and hangout with those guys.
What do you base your analysis off of? What makes Vancouver one of the worst teams? Please tell me more than just the overall standings, because if all you have to point at is the standings, you arent much of a fan or a follower of the team and you are more of a bandwagoner. ‘The team is winning, they are good, I better hop on!! Hmm…. The team is kinda struggling, this team sucks’The standings did not and do not tell the whole story of how the season went. Its a lazy and lame ass way to label a team based on where they finished.
Dallas - SCF in 2019-20….
Dallas - Late start to the season due to COVID - somewhat tough scheduling, No Seguin… No playoffs.
Vancouver - 2nd round Game 7 2019-20
Vancouver - harshest scheduling in the entire league (not a conspiracy, just how COVID effected the scheudule) - COVID, No Pettersson… No playoffs.
2 teams with 3 things in common and its the same result. No other team had the same hurdles.
Injuries and tough scheduling at some point in the season are hurdles all teams go through. COVID is not a hurdle all teams go through or went through
Vancouver is not and was not a garbage team, they had an extremely difficult season. Get that through your head and recognize the difference between a garbage team and a horrendously unlucky season.
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2 minutes ago, Zhukini said:He's not wrong? The Canucks were one of the worst teams in the league last year.
Idk why everyone's so defensive when it comes to this team, The Senators had more points than the Canucks last year. They've won 1 playoff round under Benning.
It's ok to have rose coloured glasses on 24/7, as a fan you can view the team as the defending 10 time champs if you'd like. But I dont know where to take offence when players say things that aren't wrong? If the Canucks were in the top half of the league and Jack said that then sure claws out.
Yea Vancouver finished low in the standings… but do you really believe thats how “good” our team is? We missed playoffs by 9 points with all the hurdles and crap we had to go through, which I am aware every team has hurdles such as injuries and scheduling… but COVID??? No one else, other than Dallas had a similar situation to our season and Dallas also missed the playoffs after being in the SCF. Vancouver was better than where they finished, it wasn’t a fluke we went 36-27-3 the season prior and we EARNED a playoff berth by winning a play-in round and then beat the defending champs in 6 games and took VGK to 7. Sure we were outmatched by VGK, but we had a great run and it was a ton of fun to watch and that is more the type of team we are, fun and exciting. Not an absolute disaster, which is what this season turned out to be after a rough start (most games played in the first 30 days) didnt have a practice until after our 13th game, new players trying to learn a new system on the fly, rather than repitition and then we get hit with the the loss of our best player for the season, decimated by COVID and then thrown back to the wolves after being sick and still not fully recovered. The team was getting on a roll prior to COVID and after returning from COVID we looked brutally slow and were a step behind until the end of the season.
It pisses me off when people crap on the Canucks for last season when they went through absolute hell with COVID and people just look at the standings and say they sucked without taking into consideration what happened that season and how many more hurdles we had come our way that we kept having to maneuver by. It was too much for a team to combine the harshest scheduling, plus the loss of a star player as well as other injuries and then to top it off, have a virus run rampant through the dressing room and wipe the team out and then be forced back into action when they werent ready and JT Miller stood up and said f*** that and the league only took it into consideration slightly and extended it a couple more days.
I refuse to believe or accept this team was as good as where they finished. They were a better team and now with Garland, Dickinson, OEL and Podkolzin, we are an even better team. So ya f*** anyone who said the canucks were a crap team and f*** Jack Hughes-
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D & D with NOTHING to report. Boooo!
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But what does hard work look like? A guy still standing at the end of practice, or a guy that cant stand?