Tower102

Anyone still mad about this?

ESPN is projecting Petey to be 3rd in the league in scoring this year at 116 points behind the Oiler duo. This is the last year for me where I am willing to give it test. I personally look at the roster and think we are a top 2/3 team in the division easily. I think analysts projecting standings never give nuance and mostly just reiterate the last season's standings. I don't really see how we can fill out the edges of the team much better than we did this summer around the core. Give them a chance to see if we have a contender within this group. If we miss the playoffs again barring major injury to a core member, it will be time to tear it all down.

Chicago blew it up, come on, thats a rebuild. They traded a young Debrincat and a young Dach.

I wasn't really buying into the Myers to SJ after bonus paid rumours before but since we keep adding and all reports indicate Pearson is going to be ready for camp, I am starting to believe that they have a handshake deal and will be making that move. I would be happy with Myers on the third pairing but if Pearson is ready to go and we aren't having to move out an asset of significance with Myers than I am ok with it assuming we would than sign Bear and run with Juulsen in the spot until Bear is healthy...or we swing for the fences and trade for Pesce. I would rather not trade away Boeser or Garland for the sake of cap space as I think with our forward group, they add a fair amount of value. Boeser will be improved (and actually had decent per game numbers last year) and Garland gives us 3 scoring lines playing with Suter and Podz which is needed in this NHL.

I don't think enough people are talking about how fixing our PK alone will add a lot of wins. If we go from being dead last like the last two years to having a league average PK, that is the difference of potentially 5 wins IMO. Earlier I actually crunched numbers on goals saved and translated to wins but never wrote it down. I think we have done more than enough to be at least average on the PK now. The coaching change saw a difference than add Soucy, Cole, Hronek, Blueger and Suter plus a healthy Mikheyev.

IMO owners should all be willing to spend to the cap every year to try and build a winner. Hoffman makes $5 million this year so it would be around 17 million to fast track the rebuild and get to the playoffs sooner. At some point the owners HAVE to invest to make the playoffs to earn that revenue. But I do see your point. The interesting thing is exactly a year ago, this would have been considered a massive win for SJ to be able to get him off the books at all, let alone get an asset back as he was looking like the worst contract in the NHL. Lets see if he is finally healthy and back to what he's been or if it was a one off year and he regresses again.

Really don't see why SJ didn't retain 50% (they aren't winning in these 4 years anyways) and get a much better haul of picks and prospects. Karlsson at 10 is apparently not worth much of anything (the 1st is almost worth what it should take to take on Hoffman), whereas teams would have offered a lot for him at 5.75.

Are you being obtuse or really that dunce that you can't see the difference... the advantage isn't in using LTIR during the season... its in having all those guys back magically healthy come playoff time.

But timing can be cruel, even if just one year. When MacKinnon signed we didn't know when the cap would go up and how much. We are much more clear now that it will go up a significant amount allowing room for the inflated contract. There is also the fact that while one could argue MacKinnon over Matthews, Matthews has far more awards to boost his value. Sure MacKinnon has the cup, but Makar was MVP. I think we do more or less agree though, it should be that number at a 7 or 8 year deal, and something like 12.5 if less.

Its inflation and sets the benchmark for Draisatl's next contract and the minimum for McDavid's next. MacKinnon signed during the flat cap era which muted inflation, Matthews extension will kick in as we come out of the flat cap era. 13.5 is perfectly reasonable for the best player in franchise history, its just unfortunate it isn't for max term.

I haven't said any of the things you comment about. If you look at most of the top teams, they split their top 2 D to spread the minutes out. Hronek may not be Hughes' level, but he certainly is our 2nd best Dman.

Agreed. Top players like Hughes and Hronek can carry players, plus they can both play to full potential with the freedom of having a defensive guy beside them opposed to each other. Hronek and Hughes can still pair at times as well. Plus I'd rather 45-50 minutes of Hughes or Hronek on the ice than 25. It also allows us to shelter the 3rd pairing even more.

Hughes Cole Soucy Hronek Hirose Myers That's the best looking D lineup we've had in a long time with a lot of D prospects all of a sudden. With all three of the bigger additions today getting good on the PK, I really hope we can be average in that department. That alone adds a handful of wins to the record. Assuming guys play to their potential, I see us as the 3rd place Pacific team behind Vegas and Edmonton.

Turns Newhook into Colton, the 31st in a deep draft and Fairbrother. Keeps getting better for the Aves.

I see it slightly different. I see the top 5 as typical 1-2 picks in most drafts. Guys like Benson, Dvorsky and Moore as well as the others in the 6-12 range are typical 3-6 picks. They aren't guarenteed home runs but they are homerun potential with a fairly high level of certainty. I am scared of picking ASP or Willander to be honest. If the organization had a better track record on picks I would feel better "reaching" for a Simashev. Thats why with the rumours that Nashville wants to move up I would love to see if we could trade 11 for 15 and 24. At 15 we wouldn't get the chance at Benson or Dvorsky, but likely 3 or more of Moore, Barlow, Perrault and Simachev, Willander, ASP would be available and then possibly one of them at 24, otherwise you can look at Dragicevic, Bonk or Molyndek.

In a draft this good, I just want them to take the best player available. I don't want them passing on Benson or Dvorsky if they are available to pick a non Reinbacher D out of positional need. Juolevi vs Tkachuk taught me that lesson as I was on team positional need back then. Simashev is the player I am most interested in seeing where he goes. While Reinbacher at first was all over the place, basically every mock has him top 10 now. Simachev is anywhere from around our pick to late first round. If he is around later in the teens, I hope the Canucks try to make a move to get another pick to take him, but think he is too much risk at 11 for the sure fire offensive guys available. I don't want us taking Danielson either, even though I was high on him at first, I think in a draft like this with the guys that will be available, you need to go for the homerun guy (Benson, Dvorsky, Moore, rather than the lower ceiling higher floor horvat comparable that Danielson is.

Can teams just stop trading with Detroit and Colorado please. While Yzerman and Sakic were two of my favorites as a kid, I am sick and tired of them coming away gangbusters in every trade. I would love for a Detroit - Colorado trade though and be in room where it happens to see them go toe to toe.

If you are trying to trade a player that is the backbone of the deal then ya, you don't start negotiating until said player said they would go there (other than maybe do the cursory convo of value expectations before asking and potentially disgruntling the player). If you are negotiating a trade and a name comes up as part of a package, you then solidify the parts of the trade and ask the player. If they say no, you move on and keep looking to agree on the compensation of the deal you were looking at. This would absolutely be the situation in this case.

The Daily Faceoff projecting a three-year deal at $2.5 million for Soucy this summer. They were low on Gavrikov and Severson, so Soucy probably gets a year or two more for 1-1.5 million more. If its 3/4 years at 3-3.5m I do it for sure, I would consider up to 4. Not longer term or anything above 4 though.

I was explaining this to my wife. The arena's are still full and loud when they need to be, that is about as far as a player needs the market to go. They want to feel the support while playing, but away from the rink the smaller the market the better in terms of being recognized. Vancouver is almost the opposite, the arena can be so quiet, yet most of the city will recognize the players at a restaurant, beach...etc.

First thing you would need to find out is if he would resign, and how much. Not worth it if he is asking for an inflated number. If that checks out, I would do Garland, Rathbone and a 1st next year for Hanifin and a 3rd next year. Not sure they accept, but that's about as much as I would offer.

This is exactly what I thought was the case. While I am not a fan of Dubois and think his reported asking price is far too high, he also hasn't actually requested or forced a trade. It's his right to not sign an extension. If anything he is helping the Jets by being honest right away that he doesn't intend to sign, it allows them to opportunity to trade him. Maybe the agent shouldn't have gone public as it hurts his value, but the agent also knows its best for Dubois to just get traded now to the team he wants and get the long term contract this offseason, so he is just looking out for Dubois best interest by going public.

Can someone please explain to me why it is so accepted of an idea that the team must create cap space this offseason? Sure it would be helpful, but not at the expense of trading away an asset with value for nothing, or adding value to dispose of a player. Once we put Pearson and Poolman on LTIR for next year the team will have 3 million in cap space which go towards signing a D or C. If we really need, we can do a like for like trading one of our wingers for a Center version. We don't NEED to fill those holes this year as we aren't ready to compete yet anyways. What I see media hyping up is that the team must dump someone like Boeser, Garland or Beavillier and maybe giving up an asset as well so that we have cap space. What would we do with it? Sign another average player (not a strong FA class) to an inflated contract. Next year Myers contract is off the books. The year after OEL is cheap and easy to buy out. The cap will be raising. That is more than enough to cover the Petey raise and hopefully start some upgrades. Obviously it would be nice if the team had more cap space, but I fail to understand why the team MUST shed cap in a situation that will only be negative asset management. Sometimes the best situation is to hold firm for a year. Our D as is: Hughes Bear/Schenn/someone similar FA OEL Hronek Hirose Meyers To compete we need a to replace Meyers which is best done next offseason, and OEL the season after. NOT THIS OFFSEASON. We need a 3 C. We can do that in the next couple years too. Don't rush into it. Patience for once please.

Want to lay out the hypothetical trades you made to bring in all those players? Regardless, that is an insane and unrealistic amount of changeover.