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“Alex Biega is a better hockey player than Tyler Myers right now,” - MS on HF Canucks during this past Summer.
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54 minutes ago, spook007 said:Worth ever penny.... fabulous player...
“Brendan Gaunce is better than Tim Schaller,” HF Canucks summer of 2018.
Gold Jerry. Gold!
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10 minutes ago, N4ZZY said:haha. my initial question as well
I re-read the OP’s post and finally understand his point.
The OP is actually supporting Virtanen, not criticizing him. The OP believes that Virtanen should be given the same amount of rope that Ferland is getting (in terms of trust from the coach and being given as many opportunities to succeed). It’s actually a good and fair point from the OP.
I think Green has been extra hard on Jake all of this time since Green knows what Virtanen’s potential is. Green wanted to instill the proper values in JV, and hone in the point that nothing is gifted and everything is earned.
After all these years, it appears that Virtanen has FINALLY earned his keep. I expect Virtanen to play on that 2nd line for a long time now.
By contrast, even though Ferland has struggled for much of the time this year, It has more to do with his injuries and sickness this summer (which hampered his training) as opposed to a lack of effort.
Ultimately, that’s what Green wants. He wants guys in the line-up that.......
1) want to be here.
2) will give a full 100% effort each and every time.
3) Can play a smart two way game if they aren’t world class elite talents like Petey and Brock.
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17 minutes ago, Metal Face Doom said:
He played a nice game tonight.
Exactly.
Eriksson stepped in tonight, and did what was expected of him. Eriksson won an important physical battle using his smarts, and helped set up Schaller’s goal.
Yes - his contract sucks, but Eriksson’s presence on the team still gives us excellent short term insurance against the injury bug.
For this year atleast, I don’t mind Eriksson being here at all if he has more games like he did tonight.
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Virtanen has 3 goals in his last 3 games.
This thread exists.........why?
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I’m VERY happy with this team right now.
I wanted to see how this team would react after blowing such a big lead last game. A mentally weak team, or an “noob” team, would have come out flat tonight with their thoughts still on the missed opportunity for last game. Not these guys. These guys came out ripping off their shirts ready to hurt. Honestly, I was expecting the former and not the latter.
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Just like what some others said - if the Canucks do end up being buyers at the deadline, it will likely be for very small deals. The Canucks will likely be a wildcard contender at the deadline and so they likely won’t be in a position to be “buying big.”
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4 minutes ago, Whale Tail said:
Regardless of his defensive play and I do agree i would rather see Gaudette playing big minutes in Utica, what if Eriksson has mailed it in. As in barely participating during practice and showing he doesn’t care? Coaches and staff see more than we are exposed to. It makes sense Eriksson should get a shot again but if he isn’t practicing hard, he will never get the call either.
That’s a very good point. You are absolutely correct that we aren’t privy to all of the information and facts that the coaches have. I could definitely see that Eriksson scenario that you painted above being a possibility.
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@Psycho_Path - care to explain yourself son?
You don’t agree with my comments about Petey and Boeser........why?
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1 hour ago, Nucksfollower1983 said:
Maybe if Eriksson played up to his contract he wouldn't be in the situation he is. Kind hard to feel bad for a guy getting paid what he does while not living up to expectations.
Despite being grossly overpaid, Eriksson is still a decent NHL’er that plays very good responsible hockey. For this year atleast, he’s a good option to have as a 13th forward when injuries hit.
Playing mind games with Eriksson and using him as a Team Mascot / human toilet doesn’t do anyone any good.
Eriksson should be the one in the line-up right now, not Gaudette. Gaudette should be in Utica leading the charge.
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In all seriousness though, I’m not sure if I agree with this decision.
It would be better for Gaudette to get a ton of ice time in Utica would it not? (unless management is banking on the fact that being sent down to Utica served as a wake up call for Gaudette and that he’ll come back to the team looking to prove a point). But still Gaudette - will likely be on the 4th line rubbing balls with Beagle and Schaller.
I don’t know.....I just think it would have been better to play Gaudette down in Utica and give him big top 6 minutes.
I’m also not a fan of how Eriksson is being treated here. Eriksson is the 13th forward and should be drawing in when others are hurt.......especially when the injured player (Motte) is a winger.
If Eriksson is going to provide the team with insurance when the injury bug hits, then he’ll need to get some games in.......and be treated with respect.
I’m not sure if I agree with this move.
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5 hours ago, captainhorvat said:
Eriksson was given false hope...
Now THAT is funny.
nicely done.
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2 hours ago, Devron44 said:
Some people are just never happy..
HF Canucks says hello. :-)
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3 hours ago, Strombone said:
That's because we're playing more of a team game instead of relying on just one player to do everything for us.
Which will pay its dividends down the road.
Last year for instance - Petey, Boeser, and Bo were over-exerted and then significantly wore down after the all-star break.
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I’m not seeing it to be honest.
Petey and Boeser’s lack of dominance has far more to do with top defenders and shut down centers taking more notice of them. That’s it. Atleast from my perspective. Despite all that, both guys are still close to PPG players.
People need to realize a few things about Petey and Boeser.
1) These guys aren’t Crosby, McDavid, or Ovechkin.
2) They are still only 20-22 years old.
Petey and Boeser are completely fine and will only get better.
It has nothing to do with the way Green is deploying them.
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The Bo Horvat era - two weaknesses that need to be addressed.
I’ve been a Canucks fan since 1987. Although my memory of the latter stages of the Smyl era is fuzzy, here are my thoughts with regards to the era’s that followed......and some of the weaknesses that I saw.
1) The 80’s Smyl era: I don’t know much about the 80’s unfortunately, but my vague memories of the Smyl lead teams was that whatever they lacked in talent, they made up for in heart and work ethic. A lot of these teams were garbage, but we still loved these guys because they showed up with their lunch buckets each and every night.
2) Early 90’s Linden era (1990-1996) A skilled and physical team that had a tendency to let the emotions get the better of them which would lead to bad penalties and/or dumb plays.
3) The Messier “dark” era (1997-2000) Team chemistry and a lack of talent during the latter stages of the Messier era (when the Canucks were rebuilding) were the main issues here.
4) The Markus Naslund + WCE era (2001-2007) - A skilled, fast, and physical team that was all about offense. However - teams during this era (mainly the WCE era) has a tendency to get outworked when it mattered most and would often take bad penalities.
5) The Sedin / Gillis era (2008-2013): Our most successful era in franchise history. The team was always extremely talented and almost had no on-ice weaknesses. Their only real weakness was between the ears. As talented as this era was, they were a mentally fragile bunch that had a tendency to completely unravel when pushed.
6) The “head” era (2014-2018): This era had more to do with what was going on off the ice rather than what was going on it. The Canucks started their rebuild with the Luongo deal, but many fans and media members could not understand what the Canucks were doing and so pointless debates emerged as to whether this was a rebuild, retool, or rewhatever.7) The Horvat era (2019 - ???):
Finally - we have entered the Bo Horvat era. It’s still in its infancy, but here is what I think we will see in terms of strengths and potential weaknesses. I think this team will be similar to the early 90’s Linden core, in that, team chemistry and standing up for one another will sky high. I also think we’ll see a lot of that 80’s “lunch bucket” hard working style thanks to Horvat being captain, and thanks to a guy like Benning being in the organization (and being a part of that 80’s core). Some weaknesses that I’m seeing right now however are as follows:
1) Playing against these trap. I’m not sure what it is, but the current Canucks clearly have difficulties playing against ultra defensive teams. New Jersey and Arizona have continued to destroy the Canucks in their own boring way these past few years. Canucks will need to find a way to overcome this.
2) Playing with the lead. Green will need to remedy this very fast. “Protecting the lead” by focusing on defense is clearly a style that doesn’t suit our players. Whatever we’re doing now, we need to change.
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5 hours ago, 10pavelbure96 said:Sucks to lose but wow man Tim schaller is a stud.
I have a buddy who despises Benning and always rambles off about asset management and poor contracts and he always uses beagle and schaller and Eriksson as examples. And its nice to see Tim succeed.
Trust uncle jim
I hope people take notice of Schaller, and keep him in mind before they make judgements about Michael Ferland. Often times, it takes a player awhile to acclimate to a new system. Furthermore, if a player was sick during the Summer and couldn’t train as efficiently as normal, then of course his play will be affected.
Fans and media need to be more careful in terms of not bringing out the pitchforks too soon.
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22 minutes ago, Specz said:
Why is Markstrom even playing so many games after having to deal with some very difficult family issues? The man is a God damn human being and he has already played out of his mind the last 2 games. I heard on the radio that he didn't even have a practice before the NYR game? Can we please give Marky some time to collect himself, like any other normal human being after heaving to deal with a family crisis? Because he really didn't look like himself today...
I agree that Marky wasn’t his usual brilliant self today but we don’t necessarily know if it was related to his family situation. All goalies, even the elite ones, have stinkers now and then.
The team playing in front of Markstrom fell asleep as well.
This game reminded me of the type of game you’d see Vancouver play against Chicago circa 2009/2010ish.
Onwards and upwards.
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Tough loss for the boys, but it's losses like this that bring humility and battle scars to a young and developing team looking to grow.
Chin up, and on to the next one.
We still walk out with a point.
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Baertschi is a very respectable point producer until he breaks his fingernail and gets sidelined for 12 weeks.
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@10pavelbure96 - this team also reminds me more of the early 90’s/94 Canucks than the 2008-2013 Gillis era Canucks.
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10 hours ago, knucklehead91 said:
I cant recall a time where Vancouver was this deep. From top 6 call-ups, bottom 6 players to future prospect depth. As we all dream and wonder of the what if’s of the incredibly strong 2011 team, the depths were knee deep. In comparison from top to bottom. In 2011 we had a great roster, the further down the lines, the weaker it got. Beyond injuries was even less. 2019 brings us top 6 talent call ups, projected top 4 d-men and suitable bottom 6 fits.
Im going to break down each player on the current roster and further on, note what we have available in a pinch.
J.T. Miller 26 years old turning 27- PP/PK left, centre and right. He does it all. Game by game, period by period, he creates chances and takes chances away. Has a noticeable presence along the boards, corners and infront of the net, a full 200ft game which is reflective of his stats thus far.
Elias Pettersson 20 turning 21 - PP 5v5 and capable of effectively playing PK, Pettersson also plays a full 200ft game at 110% effort and attention to detail. His hands, his creativeness, vision and his release are all unique and at an elite level. During a cold streak he is over a point a game player thus far. The sky is still not the limit for this kid going forward, hes 21 and gained HUGE praise and respect from those narrow-minded Toronto people. Along with every other fan-base/organization league wide. On top of all the things he does and provides offensively, he is just as dedicated to his own end defensively and is inspiring to every player on that roster to encourage them to step up and play as hard, block shots and sacrifice the body in our own end.
Brock Boeser 22 turning 23 - PP and 5v5. Given the freak injury I believe perhaps some of his intensity on back check has maybe become second guess/hesitation. In college and the majority of his first year in the bigs, he had a 200ft drive. Not gone, but not as noticeable as before. Over time and with his character it will return (I’ve noticed he is becoming a bit more physically engaged) strong skater but not an exceptionally fast skater, he still has good footwork and strong edges topped with a very heavy shot and could one day be our Ovi on the one-T. Health is not a question, he has had an unlucky injury that set him back, as he matures and stengthens, his already heavy shot is going to get heavier and more accurate.
Pearson 27 turning 28 (prior to next season) nothing elite about him, but once again a swiss army knife who can play PK, PP net presence and a responsible 200ft 5v5 game. Decent hands and shot, not afraid of the corners or infront of the net.BO CAPTAIN MY CAPTAIN 24 turning 25
At first... not the fastest skater, hard nosed but slow footed, positionally sound in all zones, but wasnt fast enough... at the time.... fast forward 6 years, his determination to excel in the area he was weak, has become one of his strengths. The power in his strides, the strength and control on his edges have become a problem for 30 teams in the league. His hands and strength on the puck, 200ft game and sheer determination to continue to get better is something to be admired and has been my own personal reason for buying his jersey (twice) and why I have believe he was captain material since his second year. He is a strong net front presence on the PP and has the hands to bury it in tight. PK, who better to take the draw or be in the right position? Last year he made his presence felt in the faceoff circle, in the coming years, he will be rewarded for his presence on the dot. Last minute, PK, down a goal, you name it, his name is attatched. Horvat is our Bergeron. A perfectly balanced player and El Capitano for a reason. Everyone talks about elite level hands, shot or skating... Horvat’s is his 200ft game.
Michael Ferland 27 turning 28 - PP can be a useful option infront of the net. 5v5 heavy down low and creates open space. Yet to find consistency in his game, though when he is on his game, he changes a series as we all know. His hands are not the softest, but he does offer strength on the puck and body. His shot is fairly heavy and for a heavier guy, he skates quite well. Heavy forcheck, netfront and corner presence are his strengths and intimidation to dmen under his forcheck will over the course of a season or series, lead to opposition turn overs.
Jake Virtanen 23 turning 24 (prior to training camp)
There was a fella by the name of Todd Bertuzzi, who combined the mix of size, strength and hands who took some time to put them all together and become one of the most feared and dominant power forwards on one of the most dynamic lines. The good old WCE. Now I am not saying or expecting a Bertuzzi-like career or impact, but given some time, he could very well be just that man, with better skating. Virtanen lacks consistency and above-all, confidence. Going from man-handling his way through Juniors, to being handled by men. Jake has yet to find the solution to the first time he has encountered this problem. He has soft, quick hands which are capable of finesse. A body which can brutalize its way through defense and cut its way to the goalie. A shot thats heavy enough to give a goalie a concussion.. and speed that is not seen with a frame like that. We must remain patient, as Bertuzzi took time to ripen as well.
Jay Beagle just turned 34 and doesnt look like he has missed a step - PK/5v5/FO couldnt ask or get more from a bottom 6. PK, hes sound. Face-offs hes clutch. 5v5 he has a 200ft game and a John Deere motor that doesnt quit (and has a turbo). At 34, his footspeed has not shown signs of age, his six-pack is nicer than my 8pack of lucky and at a better dollar value as well. He offers a championship pedigree and a veteran presence in high pressure situations. Lets not forget he is a 200ft player.
Brandon Sutter 30 turning 31 - PK/5v5 and FO he is positionally sound and his technique is good. He was brought in for His FO and his PK/5v5 defensiveness.
So far, he lives up to those aspects, hopefully we can see what he is capable of over the course of 82 games. Clogs up the centre of the ice, digs hard down low and around the blue paint and offers a good shot, decent shot and alright hands. A great bottom 6 adavantage.
Tim Schaller 28 turning 29 - first off, I couldnt stand this guy last year. Felt like he was a big soft-bodied perimeter player.... This year, Im seeing the opposite. Still big though, he’s diggin deep, playing in the corners, a full 200ft game and getting top 6 linemates from time to time. A big body, pretty reliable defensively and sacrificing the body lots. He is (like last year I DID NOTICE on the PK) quick to rush and block a shot. He is not afraid to block shots (same with Sutter and Tanev and for god-sake Pettersson). A goal preventative, rather than a goal creator. However, can open things up down low or along the boards.
Tyler Motte 24 turning 25 - Just like Schaller, last year I found him to be more annoying than I did effective. During his time while Leipsic was here, I felt Leips was more engaged and willing to pay the toll. Motte was a pesky mosquito you could hear buzzing around at night, couldnt see and wasnt really doing much. (In the offensive end)
5v5/PK, our zone #64 is good at getting in the lanes, blocks shots and has speed. His hands are okay, but off a blocked shot on the PK or 5v5 is where he will find himself very effective. I dont see many flatfooted dmen, turning 180 after a blocked shot goes off Motte’s shinpads and catching him... without taking a penalty. I see him negating oppositions PPs or getting us on the PP in that way. Good speed, okay shot and above average hands.
Josh Leivo 26 turning 27 - I saved him for last... I have seen quite a bit of harping on this guy, who is not as talented as most would like. HOWEVER. 5v5 hes not bad. His positioning is good for the most part, after a few strides, his speed picks up and his strength takes over. He does his best to play 200ft, blocks shots, goes deep into the corners, drives the net and will take the hit to make the play. His hands and ability to sell a move, won us a game in the shootout and shouldnt be overlooked as a quality in a player on the roster. Our heavy shots, hit the goalie without him moving and our delicate hands and creativity didnt find openings. He can fluctuate from 2nd to 4th line, with a big body, pretty heavy shot IMO, nice hands and provide either openings offensively due to his big frame, block shots and dig hard for pucks defensively or on the forecheck.
Alexander Edler 33 turning 34 - PP/PK/5v5/Game on the line, he is out on the ice in an effective manner.
too much the past several years has been riding all on this guy. With the reformed and reinvented blueline, Eddie the Eagle has looked vintage. 3g 3a in 9gp. Yes he has had his mental lapses and mental gaffs hi-lighted by digging the puck out of the back of the net... But no one else has been in the line-up on the back end as consistently as #23. Tanev (which I will get to next) and Edler have been the primary focus of important moments EVEN in mean nothing games to protect leads or keep the score within a fieldgoal. The Eagle is a big body, heavily engaged physically this year. Blocks shots, PP/PK and plays important minutes in every situation for all 3 periods. Good shot, good passing (systems I blame for his loss of creativeness) however he is attempting and taking more shots than last year. He looks like a much younger Edler, with the evened out distribution of use. Rather than being relied heavily upon in every.. single... god.. damn... situation... in every flippin game. It is being distributed which will benefit he and Tanevs durability.
Chris Tanev 29 turning 30 - arguably our best PK and 5v5 dman. And with #43’s opinion, maybe there is some upside to his PP game?
Tanev has from day 1 been a calm, cool, collected cucumber. Doesnt panic, takes the hit and then makes a safe play. Hes a smooth skater with his head up, crisp passes and blocks a ton of shots. Very rare mistakes in his own end. Health is what everyone questions, but if you look at the distribution of #8 and #23 over the past years.... they have been for the most part the only two to rely on to keep a puck out on PK or protecting the lead. Increasing chances of injury. Our only good PK options in the past... this year will not be the same. With Meyers and Benn.
Quinn Hughes your Daddy?? Just turned 20 - PP/5v5 absolutely special, the type of dman ala Doughty, Letang, Keith, Carlson you need to win a cup. A dman to jump up and get back just as quick. Vision that finds openings only replays will see. Quick speed, changes angles and shooting lanes in an instant. Needless to say his speed end edgework is like... who in canucks Dman recent memory? He has great anticipation and creativity on the back end, which is going to translate to so much more down to road. May not have the size and strength, but has the positioning to win battles or races to the puck, over bigger stronger dmen. There is a point where positioning outweighs strength and size. Quinn knows it.
Tyler Meyers 30 turning 31 - Excellent skater for a big man, hits, blocks shots, battles hard. PK and odd man rushes, his reach and size takes away passing lanes effectively.
Jordie Benn just turned 32 - Big, strong, low risk, stay at home dman. Adds a physical presence on the back end and isnt afraid to block shots. A really solid 5/6 dman to have.
Troy Stecher - Turns 26 at the end of the regular season. Stecher has good wheels, battles ferociously in the corners and along the boards to retrieve pucks. Hes capable of jumping up in the play, has decent hands and vision, which is nice to have that far down the d pairings. Especially going from one of our top 4 and doing a fairly good job as a top 4 for us.
Jacob Markstrom 29 turning 30 - Markstrom has been playing unreal since last year. He is becoming the goalie he was projected to be. He is playing at an elite level and with help from the defense this year, we are going to be very tough to score against.
Thatcher Demko 23 turning 24 - he has looked great this year so far. I like the way he tracks the puck and his reaction timing. Aside from 5 minutes in the STL game, his rebound control is pretty good. Having a Demko and Marky tandem this year is going to be one of the better tandems in the league and winning games with your back-up is huge in terms of making playoffs and being able to properly rest your #1 goalie.
Top 6 depth call-ups - Baertschi and Goldobin are both perfect call-ups for top 6 roles. Both have speed, puck control, good hands, vision and nice shots. Exactly what you look for in your top 6. Both capable of playing on the PP as well.
Middle 6 guy - Adam Gaudette, hes too good for the 4th line, a perfect 3rd line player who can even utilized on the 2nd line if we lose a few bodies. Hes got hands, positionally sound, and plays a 200ft game. I would love to see him full-time in Vancouver right now, but this is not a bad problem to have. It shows how deep we are.
Roussel - dont forget about this guy. Our PK is already unreal right now and Roussels return is looming and only going to boost our PK and d-zone.
Loui... Eriksson - despite all the hate for Loui, the guy can still play on the defensive side of the game very effectively. PK he is good at what he does, in his own end he has 3:1 more takeaways than turnovers. 29TK last year to 10GV. I think fans all need to just accept the fact the offence has dried up for this guy, but his defensive side is still useful. And hey... as a last resort call up. It could be much worse. He will certainly be a bottom 6 call up when it comes time.
On the Back end we have Fantenberg, Juolevi, Tryamkin by years end, Sautner, Brisebois.
Canucks average age: 27.04
Canucks average height: 6’2
Canucks average weight: 200lbs
We havent had this kind of depth in such a long time. We still have many more budding prospects in the system who are going to further improve our roster and call up depth in the years to come.
Sorry for the exceptionally long post, but if you really look at this team, players that have moved further down the line up and the available call ups we have when the time comes. This team is quite deep and we are going to be a big threat all year and very competitive for many years.
I love your post and love your enthusiasm, but comparing our depth to the 2010-2011 team right now is loco.........although I re-iterate, I LOVE where this team is headed.
Although The 2011 team would spank the the current version of the Canucks, I will say this. That 2010-2012 team could be bullied and could be driven to have self doubts. Our current core? Not so much. No one is going to push these current Canucks around.
This team will be a pleasant surprise this season. I predict a first round playoff loss this year, but we’ll be well on our way.
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3 hours ago, coastal.view said:
this is just getting sillier on your part
markstrom is not under contract to the team for next season
i doubt he'd sign any contract that would allow him to be traded in the first season of such a contract
or he'd just run out his existing contract and sign as an ufa with a team he preferred to play with long term
Agreed. If the Canucks sign Markstrom this off-season (which they should do, and which is almost inevitable), then Demko will likely be the one to be moved (my thinking is at the 2021 trade deadline, or shortly before the lottery draft).
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12 hours ago, Alflives said:
Good for his development. He needs to play in an important role.
Is his contract one way or two ways?
This times 1000.
Gaudette needs to play and he needs top line minutes. Let him, Baertschi, Juolevi, and Goldobin tear up Utica.
[PGT] Florida Panthers at Vancouver Canucks | Oct. 28, 2019
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Later on in that thread, I responded, "Alex Biega should be working at BC Ferries."
He then responded to me with this:
Perhaps he thinks "killing his role" means biting boners on Detroit's farm, but I might be wrong?