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Just now, Jetliner said:
Petey trying to do it all. Prob frustrated to be playing with Jake who cant keep up
Could say the same about brock...... if brock is a legit line driver then Petey and him should be able to carry Jake , just look at how good Jake looked with Miller and petey...
Hate on Jake but brock and Jake both benifit from playing with Miller and petey but at least Jake has shown he can drive a line once in awhile , still waiting to see that from brock........ brock and Jake are the same element on that line......
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8 minutes ago, IBatch said:
What’s the over under on Markstrom letting a weak shot in within the:
First shot on net
First three minutes of the game
Last few minutes of the game
What’s the over under on Tanev:
Breaking something important blocking an BB/EP blast
Sucks seeing them play with a different uniform on, but now that they are the enemy expose them weaknesses!
Both of those depends if Petey breaks two sticks again.....
So what's the over under on how many sticks Petey's breaks?
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13 hours ago, Rabid Rooster said:
How would any Jake complainer like to play for a coach that so obviously hates him?
Jake has his issues for sure, but his greatest road block to a steady spot in the top six is Green. Jake should be traded for his sake. A better coaching approach could end up reminding us of Cam Neeley. He has the potential to cone back to haunt us.
Not to mention Jake has changed his game/ mind set . I would love to see Jake go to a team that coaches body first instead of puck first . When's the last time Jake threw a big hit? Jake should play the game like Tom Wilson , the way he hits but if you watch Wilson , he plays the body usually not the puck.....and no one said Wilson was smart but taking a player out of the play is his Defence and that's what Jake should have been taught but........Jake is one of the best hitters I've seen in a long time but it's an asset being wasted and Jake hits are usually clean unlike Wilson's
Jake is a Tom Wilson type not a Evander kane type.......
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9 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:
Built too late to cash in. Except, the government that should receive his ire had a lot of Albertan MPs in positions of power. So we know that doesn't describe the Liberals, so that leaves you know who. Pretty sure he won't admit to this.
Hey now it was the government lack of action , also if JT would have did what he was suppose too, b.c would have fallen in line and would have put the Canadian economy first instead of this stupid idea of how oil is just Alberta......
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16 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:
Seriously?
Did you actually type that with a straight face? 
Yup , if trump had a we scandal , for his hat trick then yes trump would have been booted out but JT just continues to walk free......so yes our PM has shown his corrupt but we don't do jack......
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2 hours ago, Robert Long said:
because you're so heavily invested in hating all things Trudeau. I think you've bought in hook line and sinker into the idea that TMX will always be "bad" because it wasn't private money, therefore its so impossible for a CPC supporter today to give any credit to Trudeau.
But the fact is, TMX will likely be the one and only pipeline to the coast. And you can thank Trudeau for that. Even though you can't bring yourself to do that.
Tmx will always be bad imo cause it was built to late.......
Also I don't like JT cause his a joke , if trump did what he has done , he would have been gone.
You want me to thank JT for messing up so bad that he scared off foreign investors and pretty much forced Canada to buy it lol
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12 minutes ago, Robert Long said:
I don't believe you. Sorry.
Even if your 16 billion number is correct, that still means 30 billion in revenue for gov't over its life time. You would be applauding Harper on this.
Why? I haven't changed my tune at all, I'm for jobs and for a strong Canada period. Oil isn't just Alberta
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34 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
Ya lies. Yes victim
World markets tanked in 2014 to start. Coinciding with increased US and OPEC production. World supply and holding dried up to start 2015 exacerbating a price issue.
THAT was prior to the NDP or Trudeau. These issues only continued over the last 5 years with the culmination of a price war from March through June in 2020 where oil futures were essentially trade at negative value. NONE of that is the fault of any leader in canada and in fact has everything to do with the current market period. You cannot ask, expect or demand companies develop towards negative return. your current Alberta UCP is showing that after burning over 414 billion in tax dollars to subsidize and socialize corporate losses which have done nothing to stem the bleeding
You WISH you could have gotten more out of oil? Maybe 50 years of terrible provincial leadership should be your focus. Klein bucks for all. Highest paid MLAs in the nation. Best provincial pension for politicians in North America. Lowest rates of royalties among any oil producing area of the world. Subsidization of oil and gas in Canada has been over the $9 billion mark for over a decade. You don't get to piss through your only resource for nil return then blame someone else for it like you're doing.
You're blaming almost 50 years of terrible provincial asset management and malfeasance on a guy who's barely been in power for 5 years. Who has actually doubled transfers to Alberta, has in fact spent more on social issues in Alberta due to the economic downturn than your own provincial government has over the past 2 years. Seriously man.
Yes victim. Yes lies. We've been through this dozens of times yet you still parrot the same points without any actual shred of evidence to back you up that it is all trudeau's fault. Produce some and we can start at a place of discussion. Otherwise it's your word vs the facts
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33 minutes ago, Robert Long said:
so wouldn't that mean we should be diversifying away from oil?
Yes but it's up to the government to play the hand it has not the hand it wants and oil is still a big part of that hand cause of stupid JT......
also I never said the diversity had to happen in Alberta .....jobs are jobs.....I don't care where they are , just that there
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29 minutes ago, Robert Long said:
wow 2 months.
Be honest, if Harper had bought TMX to push it through you would have been pleased.
No I would be pissed... Government money shouldn't be used for oil unless in a buy out in imo there's better places to spend tax payers money
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Just now, Warhippy said:
Nothing you've just claimed is remotely true at all
Just a bunch of lying and victim noises.
Pathetic.
Lies???? Really?
And victim? Cause I wished we got more out of oil so we could have
strengthen other industries so when the time came we would have the jobs to make up the slack and I never said that the industries had to move to alberta......
I don't give a hoot about Alberta but I care about jobs and how our government didn't plan jack....... it's up to government to bring in new industries with tax breaks and so on but JT dropped the ball big time imo
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Just now, Warhippy said:
Private funds had ZERO interest.
You should be aware before making claims on the contrary.
Zero interest cause of JT and his lack of action ha Morgan even offered b.C a side deal and government still sat on their hands
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32 minutes ago, Robert Long said:
they haven't stoped anything, its going full steam ahead if you've bothered to actually look.
you keep whining about "private funds" but seem to forget that by buying it, the feds will ensure it happens. If its private funds why would any government not named Harper care what happens to it?
I think you're so deep into the Trudeau hate thing you can't see things clearly.
30 minutes ago, gurn said:So the CEO of the project says things are on time and on budget, but you think he's lying?
Would your mind change if the CEO was on a video saying the project is on time and on budget?
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3 minutes ago, Robert Long said:
huh?
What do either of these have to do with what I posted about the progress of TMX?
How is it on time, if it's being stopped by the tiny house warriors? Lol and it has also cost CANADIANS 16 billion , what a waste when we could have had private funds funding the project.
check them out two out of three kinda throw on time in question ha
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42 minutes ago, Robert Long said:
TMX pipeline update: Expansion on schedule, budget, CEO says a year after construction restart
CALGARY -- A year after construction was allowed to restart on the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, its chief executive says the project is on budget and on schedule for completion by the end of 2022.
The project is advancing as expected despite challenges including the COVID-19 pandemic, a global slump in demand for fuel, a $5.2-billion rise in its estimated cost to $12.6 billion in February and ongoing protests by opponents, said CEO Ian Anderson in an interview.
The expansion project is designed to triple the capacity of the existing pipeline between Edmonton and a shipping terminal in Burnaby, B.C., to about 890,000 barrels per day of products including diluted bitumen, lighter crudes and refined fuels such as gasoline.
“We've got some major elements of the project to still do, but they're all on track and there's no critical path items I'm worried about at this point,” said Anderson. “We're making great progress.”
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17 hours ago, gurn said:
He bought a pipeline, with federal dollars, to help out Alberta but you can't see that?
You mean you bought an pipeline that Canada needed and thx to lack of action from the government is the reason they had to buy it.
Also how does it help Alberta if it never gets finished?....
18 hours ago, Warhippy said:1. It is NOT his job to grow private industry. At all. His job is to govern the nation. Alberta has spent tens of billions on oil from the taxpayers pockets and it has gotten them nowhere but in debt. I refuse to allow my money to be spent on corporate subsidization. The market, does not reflect the investment made by the Alberta government and in no way justifies further investment at the federal level.
2. JT lost jobs? Show me a pink slip signed by JT, the Libs or in fact the government of Canada. I'll wait. Why? because you cannot. JT has not fired anyone. A massive slide in oil prices caused by US and OPEC production has. A worldwide pandemic that has killed travel has. Again do you blame JT for oil jobs lost in 2008? 2003? 1997? Or is that somehow the actual markets fault? Curious because resource boom/bust is quite cyclical and something you're failing to understand
3. Where does Alberta derive its health transfer money from? That money comes from every taxpaying canadian.
4. He didn't kill anything. Like how deluded can someone be to consistently claim that? He couldn't force through that pipeline, the other guy tried and the courts slapped him and said no. Facts over rhetoric. Facts over emotion. You can claim he did. He killed. He isn;t. but it's not true. Fact is, he has done more for Alberta in the last 5 years than the former government did in ten. he has done more to secure pipelines then the previous government has, and now that the Alberta government is literally bleeding money from taxpayers while cutting everything and privatizing healthcare, he's stepped in to ensure there's money for education and healthcare.
Your mismanagement and misrepresentation of the facts is everything wrong with Alberta and the entire WEXIT movement. almost every major financial issue in Alberta is literally the fault of Alberta. Not Trudeau. not the Liberals. Not Notley....50 years and nothing to show for it but it's all the fault of one guy in less than 5 years? Come on bud
1: it's up to the government to attract private business and would you invest money in Canada after seeing how JT has dropped the ball? His a joke and he made all of Canada a joke on the world stage.
Also look at the states and what they did....JT could have started to attract other private businesses so making oil smaller wouldn't have hurt so much but JT didn't think that far ahead.....maybe if he dealt with those tiny house warriors and actually put the pipeline in then I would show him respect but thx god hopefully today is the last day of that clown.
2: JT killed oil before they flooded the market and what do you call a government that wouldn't back a private project that went threw ever hoop?
Those years are a lot different then when JT screwed up this time cause if he would have forced that pipeline which was approved, we would be shipping more at a lower price but hey better then getting nothing and seeing no jobs.....the money Canada could have made in the short term could have set up Canada to fund another industry or going green and we would have already created jobs but JT didn't think that far ahead.
3: yes he did ha it's not my fault JT is a dumbass and didn't realize he was in an oil country.......lol
4: how am I miss understanding it? It's very simple.....if someone buys something and never delivers on it then yes I will say JT killed oil and JT didn't have to waste federal money on buying a pipeline , if JT just had a backbone......
could you imagine if we took that money we spent on that pipeline and spent it on another industry we would be stronger but our leader is special and JT had to buy that pipeline cause of his own short comings so......
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1 hour ago, Warhippy said:
JT killed oil?
The crash started in 2014....
I will ask did Trudeau also kill oil in say...2007/2008? what about 2003? 1997?
These were all years in which oil tanked. Albertans were thrown out of work. Is he at fault for those years as well?
Now finally I want to ask, will you give JT credit for the massive amounts of increases he's sent Alberta for transfers/ei and mroe? Will you give him credit for spending more on Albertas healthcare and eduction since Covid started than the Alberta government?
Or do you think picking and choosing who will give fact vs blame to is going to win the day?
Yes he killed it by not growing it, everyone in business knows in today's world if you're not growing you're dying......
You want me to give credit to JT for losing jobs and not replacing them but instead gives out money........reminds me of an old saying give a man a fish he eats for a day , teach a man how to fish and he eats for ever....... blame alberta all you want but no other provinces has jobs to offer......to many people and not enough jobs......
And wasn't it alberta that gave ppe to the government. ......
That's why I don't care for JT he killed oil early and didn't replace those jobs like how stupid can someone be, he could have just forced through that pipeline and it wouldn't have been bought by the tax payers.......thx to how our government handled that pipeline ,they scared off private investments and how does a industry that is mostly funded by private investments survive?
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9 hours ago, The Lock said:
Okay, first of all, full disclosure. I'm in the very area the pipeline would have been placed. I see both sides of that coin but, given Enron's track record, I was against Enron specifically doing it (they had oil spills in almost every state they were in). It also felt like Albertans were shoving crap (or oil) down our throats and they would have benefitted, not us. BC would only have temporarily benefitted with jobs, but once the pipeline would be in place... it's a pipeline. Not a lot of jobs are needed afterwards over here.
Anyway, with that out of the way....
I don't think the construction of the pipeline would have made things much better to be honest. It might have helped in the short term, but demand is demand and if demand goes down, so does sales, pipeline or not.
And government doesn't control the economy. His tariffs are just smoke of mirrors of what was happening anyway. Also, can you imagine JT putting tariffs on the US? That would DESTROY our economy and the oil fields even more as the US laughs in our face and goes elsewhere. lol
Yes your right the jobs leave but the job experience doesn't or does the trades locals get and iirc isn't there a demand for welders and pipe fitters in the coastal area?..... And how many people have you met that worked in b.c and ended up staying there?
And not to mention how it helps exspose a lot of b.c that doesn't get that much exsposer....
but if the pipeline was built we would be able to make more by shipping more....it's bad business I know but hey it's Alberta and canada would have had more money to invest in green industries but instead JT killed the industry that is Canada's back bone at the moment.
so yes JT killed the oil industry in Canada.
I didnt say government controlled the economy, but they can play a bigger role and attract new industries and stand up for Canadian products instead of not giving a hoot....
your right though Canada doesn't have that power to sell their goods to other countries ......and say screw the USA .......they have to feed their people some how ha
Canada has more power then people realize and JT needs to start thinking that way and I'm surprised he hasn't with how good he is at whining and dinning people......
like I said trump gave farmers and ranchers around 35 billion and JT gives the industry that feeds Canadians 250 million......trump stands up for USA products and JT rather order crap from China .......
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Just now, The Lock said:
No. I don't think JT had anything to do with killing the oil industry. As I said, it was world oil prices overall. No government could have protected from that. If Harper were still in power, you'd be blaming him instead. It sucks that you guys lost your jobs over there, but the government is only the easy thing to blame stuff on, but hardly ever the reason.
As far as your link goes, you're now saying that Trump didn't have a $5000 increase based on that article correct? 2.7% isn't that much bigger than 1.8%. That's a 0.9% change. That's it.
So we couldn't have made more money if the pipe line was put in when it was suppose to be? Wasn't oil prices still pretty high still......and would have created more jobs in b.C and would have benifited all of Canada .........instead JT scared off pretty much every oil and gas investor, so yes he killed the oil and gas industry before the crash......
Sorry you are right I got the wrong numbers on that went off crowder ha , still proves trump has improved it and how can you say government doesn't control the economy, when seeing trump level tariffs and bringing back companies all cause of policies , his put in place.......
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Just now, The Lock said:
In terms of tech, I say look at some of the cities in the US, especially Kansas City. Kansas City of all places has turned into a tech hub. It's very doable. I could see a Calgary becoming a tech hub, I mean why not if Kansas City can do it? lol And it's not just Kansas City, if you look at some of the hubs: Austin, Ithaca, Madison, etc, they're cities kind of in the middle of nowhere.
Of course, this also means that it wouldn't be the same people as you've mentioned, but tech doesn't necessarily mean programming or anything like that. There could be assembly line jobs within that for example among other things. Basically: manufacturing and IT work very well together.
Back to Obama, the middle class increases actually started with Obama: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-31/trump-boasts-on-economy-undercut-by-weak-middle-class-pay-gains
If you look at the graph in the link above, it shows the highest rate just before/right when Trump was elected.
But those jobs you mentioned, most pay min wage.......
I do agree Houston has done the best job so far imo,
I agree with what your saying in theory but also will you admit JT killed the oil industry before the crash?
Also read last paragraph https://www.factcheck.org/2019/11/trumps-shaky-5000-boast/
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Just now, The Lock said:
Okay, let's talk about Alberta here. The problem really comes down to the fact that Alberta was so focused on oil jobs, that when the oil prices went downhill, nothing was done beforehand to mitigate this. If we want to ignore what I'm saying about businesses creating jobs and focusing on the government, I wouldn't be just blaming JT for this. I'd also be blaming the Conservatives for not coming up with potential backup ways just in case if things fell through.
In terms of Trump, here's the problem: the unemployment rate was already on the decline before Trump got elected. The Unemployment rate didn't get lower at a faster rate either after Trump was elected. I'm honestly of the mindset that these "7 million" people who got jobs isn't because of Trump. Trump will take full credit of course because he wants your vote, but him alone wasn't the cause of it, nor was his plan.
Yes I will agree that alberta didn't diversify enough , farming and ranching are good industris but they create a limited number of jobs.......where adding tec would have been smart but the problem is to make good money in tec a degree is almost nessary and come on those guys arnt office types and that's why adding steel , where having a strong back is more important , if you catch my drift?
Also over Obama terms the middle class income only went up by a grand and under trump it's up to 5 grand increase........and how many presidents or PM that would put out tariffs that hurt their own pockets but create jobs at the same time?
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Just now, The Lock said:
I'm going to ask the same question I asked before: is there any way I can convince you that what you have said is not the reason those jobs in Alberta were lost?
For the ahs? Or overall? I'm confused I'm arguing on all of Canada cause if any one province took one of those industries then oil prices falling wouldn't hurt as much, cause another industry could pick up the slack but there's no one industry offering a million jobs..........there was no plan and trump made one and created jobs and JT did nothing.......and also I wouldn't invest my money in Canada after everything that's been going on........so you want a industry that is mostly dependent on private investments to attract money after we failed to put in that pipeline and then turned around and bought it and it's still not finished ........ hmm mm. .....
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Just now, The Lock said:
I don't think I'm following here to be honest. Because a government DIDN'T do 2 specific things, that government's at fault?
I guess I forgot this is the Wexit thread.
Let me ask you this: is there any way I can convince you that what you have said is not the reason those jobs in Alberta were lost? Because, if there isn't, it's a waste of time for me to even try.
I used trump and what he did as a example and also trump gave farmers and ranchers around 35 billion , you know how much JT has offered 250 million. We applauded the companies that started manufacturing masks and other ppe , so why not attract companies by being better then the states , why not grow our exports like farming and other natural resources.?
I didnt mean just alberta but I will argue that if the government bailed out select companies that agree to follow the new restrictions, then it would create more jobs or help sustain constant work for those select companies , so people wouldn't have to wake up with wonder every day. Also oil and alberta are dependent on private investors and the government has made Canada a joke on that front.
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Just now, The Lock said:
The businesses, like I said earlier. Governments can only do so much for the economy, otherwise Alberta would have never lost as many oil sands jobs as they did.
Tariffs and forcing manufactoring companies back to the states to create jobs is government flexing on business's and just proves my point and JT didn't do anything like that.
Did you actually type that with a straight face? 
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Ummmm name one elite goal scorer that isn't a line driver? And I meant Jake can be put with Sutter and is still a threat unlike like brock. Also might add those two goals he got against the Oilers could be considered lucky at least the one where Hughes found him behind the defence while sitting on his rear and if that would have went the other way then brock cheated and got burned and doesn't have the speed to catch up to the play..... brock has been cherry picking imo