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8 hours ago, Timbermen said:
I wish he played for the Canucks, KKnight has him in his all NHL B.C. team.
Yea sorry my bad misread that. But hey maybe the Sharks will keep sucking and they will move him and his fair contract to Van ha
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No Evander Kane for team b.c? .....
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On May 6, 2020 at 6:04 PM, RRypien37 said:
Literally this. For those people "shocked" or "disgusted" have clearly never been in a locker room before.
Pretty standard stuff.
If arenas are empty we will hear probably worse on the ice...........
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40 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
Crown corps were almost universally provincial. But with decades long party rule they get sold, privatized or neutered for private interest with no oversight. BC Rail....BC Tell, Saskatchewan is a great example as Wall sold everything.
At least in federal hands it's a national view and as such has far greater scrutiny.
Out any ownership shares under the watch of the CPP. They run at arm's length of party politics and do quite well
I guess I'm jaded and don't want the east to make policies when they have no clue about the industry......
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36 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
Oh I get it, yes I was arguing that AB has the capacity to have a much broader manufacturing base outside of oil.
I'm just fine with the choice part.
I get what you mean by steady growth and diversified industries but when starting a company you build one up at a time and once you think it's strong enough you funnel the extra money into other industries but first you need a money tree and for Alberta that was Oil and if you look at it.....it's not like Alberta didn't pump millions into other industries....in Alberta...
thats where diversity is great but you need an true proven earner to support the other industries until their strong enough to support themselves......
thats why I call some provinces hobby farms cause they make their money off everything but that's why their small farms......you get what I mean?
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2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:
they are - where do you think the other 90% of our GDP is coming from?
No one is asking AB to build up other industries for them. Not sure how you're getting that message.
I don't want to see tax money go to prop up oil companies, we need to diversify off oil sooner than later.
I got that from our chat the other day when you said Alberta already has the people and space...
I agree but then why not give the power to the provinces to decide? Let provinces decide if they want to do oil bail outs......and if a province doesn't want to spend what they get on oil it's their choice and it's their choice which companies they save......or if a province wants to pour it into another industry
but Alberta has earned a lot of money over the years so putting their eggs in oil wasn't a bad idea in theory aslong as they continued to invest in other industries......in theory but we all seen how it played out and there hasn't been any industry that has the earning ability as oil but we have to realize where our economy is at without oil and it shows how weak our other industries are.....it also shows how strong some industries are and the ones that show promise but we are still at the promise stages.......
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50 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
The Bloc might have stepped up in that regard. Earlier this week flat out stating they would not support any government bailout that lead to money going to companies that have used, are using or appear to be using offshore tax havens. They also stated the same that an ownership stake should be present to ensure all companies are following the law by having the government as a representative on any corporate board following bailout monies being taken
What if the bail out where handed out by the provinces so it gave more control to the provinces and see which companies are will to work with local government but I would never sign over a part of my company to JT or Canada.
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33 minutes ago, aGENT said:
I see none of our previous conversations have sunk in yet. Other provinces DO attract tech companies (among other things). The BC government has an entire 'Innovate BC' initiative with funding, resources etc for just that. You don't know what you're talking about.
And FWIW, no province wants to be an all eggs in one basket, 'tech province'. As Alberta is discovering, (again) being a one industry reliant province is an idiotic recipe for feast and famine.
And your whole point about other provinces is a distracting red herring from the issue being discussed. Further subsidizing O&G in Alberta instead of funding people and economic diversity in Alberta is just plain stupid.
No agent our talk got threw but like jimmy pointed out in a earlier post Alberta has people and infrastructure but if Alberta want to continue with oil let it.
But it those tech companies needs a province to put a few more eggs in its basket.....
i rather have one strong industry in each province, that way when one crashes then theirs another province strong enough to take over oils spot.......
also it's good business to build up one thing first then funnel the cash you make off the strong into the weaker industries.....
cause if you try to build up everything equally it will actually leave you weaker.....you get what I mean?
But the thing is oil and gas can still make money but it can't support all of Canada anymore.....
this happens over years......like you said tech companies will be the next leader but that industry isn't strong enough yet......
alberta is also a leader in other industries not just oil but how do you diversify such a big earner? Also that's not only an Alberta problem but Canada problem.....
alberta makes less other provinces should be laughing cause they diversified but no one bother to invest in industry growth like Alberta poured money into oil.....and farmer and ranching and so on.....might add Alberta three big guns are all necessity like ranching and farming...... B.c diversified and they arnt better off then Alberta.....
tech is great but other countries are a lot further ahead in that area then us.....China comes to mind ha
no agent I do listen and try to learn from other posters or did I misunderstand your post?
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9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
I think about this a lot. There are many high paying tech industries, it doesn't have to be oil.
I agree then how come another province doesn't become a Tec province? Just like how Alberta is an oil province......I don't see why it's up to Alberta to build up another industry after all it did for oil........
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5 minutes ago, Boudrias said:
My wife has a cousin who farms in Saskatchewan. When the boom was going on in the patch he resented the rich oil patch workers coming home and bidding up land prices as they built their rural getaways. You probably realize the 'nuts & bolts' nature of farming. What our cousin now says is that these oil people have brought venture capital and tech know how to the farm. A lot of farming tech resulted. A great story.
I agree with your cuzin.....don't get me wrong it helped a lot of those family farms that ended up with wells....
but I agree it drove up the price for farm land but in Alberta atleast the Ponoka area, the Dutch that came over bought up like crazy and their business plan is to have their kids pay off the land or their grand kids.....so I know a few farmers that started buying in s.k cause land is cheaper....I remember guys from the patch pulling up to houses they liked and just writing a check.....
.I don't like corporate farming or ranching but to supply what we need we had to grow bigger same with the population and bye bye to the small family farmers or young people even considering to get into it cause the cost to get into farming is insane ha and you need even more land now just to turn a profit or roll the dice and go with a money crop every year.....
thats why I ranch a computer or Tec can't never replace me ha unless theirs a robot that can pull a calf ha and can cure pink eye and so on ha
your cuzin is right though I liked the oil money that went into our school system and so on but s.k and Manitoba are paying the price but lucky for them they arnt as down the rabbit hole as Alberta.
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14 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
wages for the same work elsewhere are up to 25% higher in Alberta. Yeah, thats out of whack. It even happens in the AB public sector. And thats on top of enjoying lower taxation too.
as far as the "teat" goes, you can't seem to appreciate the negatives that oil brings too. Its not all one-sided benefit out.
the bolded part is just ridiculous. Alberta does not do that for the rest of the country. This is why its so hard to have an actual discussion with you guys, you actually believe this stuff.
Cause those companies are against industries that can afford to pay more.....so they have to compete against each other just like a bidding war......like posted before albertans are willing to move for work and it was the only way to keep people......
yes I agree that's one of the reason why cities go bankrupt cause they sign contracts during the high times and then can't afford to pay them cause there's no money.....so we need to adjust our public contracts and base them off today's economy not the pasted.....
why you think Kenny was turning everything private....(I don't agree with it but it is what it is)
due to high oil prices our whole world ballooned up and it's finally going to pop.....that's why I say oil money has funded so much.....it's also a double edge sword.....
how so? Alberta houses pretty much everything to do with the oil and gas industry and every pipeline leads one way ha
yes s.k and Manitoba both grew their oil and gas industries and become stronger for it.....that money first started in Alberta and its branched out from there.
You could make the same argument for the logging industry, when it was the top dog there for awhile and if you go further you'll see that cattle and grain and fishing funded future growth......
but with oil we have seen growth we have never seen before........
See you can make a case for any of the old industries but oil has made us richer then any other, it's also funded more growth in other industries then any other industry.
Ever think maybe if other provinces had different oil and gas companies and took some of the load off Alberta everything would be more balanced?
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14 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
yup, and out of line really with any other province. Does a CA in downtown Calgary work harder than one in TO, or are they just living off the bloated oil money effect? I think we know the answer.
And you didn't "give" anything. What cord do you think you'd cut?
How are the wages out of wack? Compared to the mills in b.c they around the same money pure hour, also the only benifit oil people get is that big pay check that's it.......
also thx to taxes breaks in Alberta , it allows companies to pay more......that's what a have province can do.......
equalization payments where suppose to help turn have not provinces into have provinces but to just keep sucking on the tit......
how would you feel if you made millions and every year you gave your brother a million with hopes he would give himself and his family a better life but he just bought a nice house new stuff for the house and a new truck and so...every year...but he didn't invest in any future earnings cause he knew there was more money.....how would you feel after years of that?
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30 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
channeling your inner Al Gore I see.
Equalization is not unfair to Albertans: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-why-equalization-is-not-unfair-to-alberta/
People in AB have bloated oil industry salaries, and you use that simple fact to whine about how badly Albertans are treated. Its ridiculous.
Equalization benifits have not provinces .....not the provinces that have......
also oil didn't just bloat oil wages.....every wage went up thx big payments.....
thx to big equalization payments we gave every province a chance to be a have province and when do you cut the cord?
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4 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:
Were you around for that vote?
I was and no-one was laughing. I know prognosticating is a bit of a wasted effort, but FWIW, I think the chances of Alberta separating are very low. Nowhere close to what we saw with Quebec.
Yes I was ha I was living in Manitoba and our town laughed.........
yea after this it won't happen.
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48 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
90% of our entire GDP is created outside of oil and gas. That's explanation enough for me. Diversify now or die looking like Quebec, it's that simple. Oil and Gas is never coming back to the $70 a barrel needed for profitability. I don't want a dime of my tax money going to corporations unless it's with a clear stake in the ownership of a company coming back. I don't want a dime of my tax money going to a company still producing in other markets while automating or shutting production here in Canada. I don't want a dime of my tax money going to a corporation that has allowed numerous shell companies to declare bankruptcy leaving orphaned wells tot eh taxpayer to clean up.
I want my tax money going to Albertans, to those currently suffering in ft Mac, to a diversified economy not dependant on US oil and Gas refinement or corporations. The rest of the nation does just fine and after 5 years is evidenced to be able to do just fine with lowered or negative trading oil prices. So it's time to get off the teet and do something different for once.
Maybe...think like a hobby farm
But the thing is you can still make money off oil and gas just not as much so if another industry or province needed skilled tradesmen and woman and hard working labours then oil down sizing wouldn't hurt as much but no province or industries need them or can attract them.
Look at b.c 25 mills shut down about 5 months ago and did it affect you? Or what do you do with those people? Don't forget mill works make decent to good money.......also remote areas / towns not cities....
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Just now, Warhippy said:
You made zero sense at all. I feel far more stupid for trying to follow your line of thinking here. In one quote you claim everyone else is like a hobby farm and insinuate they don't do enough. In this quote you claim they are better suited for other things and bigger growth. They can make the most with what they have. But endlessly trumpet how Alberta does more and others do less.
You're not only making no sense you're endlessly contradicting yourself so when you ask if you've dumbed it down, son I have to declare you're already making it plenty stupid on your own.
It's explaining why I put it that way and I answered the question for you .....it was a question .......I never said I didn't know the answer ha
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12 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
A....hobby farm? Seriously? That little bit of everything is called diversity. That diversity is why every other hobby farm is still working while the rancher is asking for handouts for it's "suppliers"
So much for being the guy who teachers others business sense
Ha a hobby farm usually has a lil of everything but sometimes some hobby farms are better suited for other things and bigger growth.
That way they can make the most with what they have.......follow my drift hippie....or did I dumb it down to far?
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35 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
oh I see. You're thinking AB is the big swinging d*ck of the economy. So the difference actually being 12% vs something else being 11% is what we're talking about here.
AB has developed a self-importance myth to the point where you guys seem to think you create the majority of wealth in Canada.
Really? I think we proved we are the big swinger
Alberta crashes everyone else follows right behind ha kinda sad how Canada is so dependent on one province or one thing......
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6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
nope, no 'blame' at all
what about the other 90% of our GDP?
you're right, the fed's did waste an opportunity to diversify earlier. I don't want them to keep making that mistake moving forward.
the fact that you can type this ^ with what I'm assuming is a straight face is part of the problem. Do you really think there's nothing else going on in Canada except oil production?
No I mean other provinces are like hobby farms....a lil in everything .......Alberta just the big rancher.....,.
but if a hobby farm focused on say maybe three things more heavily then they would make more cause trying to build up everything will never happen cause it takes more money.......
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1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:
it doesn't matter anyway, the oil dream is never going to be what they thought it would under Harper. $100 oil is never going to happen again in any kind of sustained way.
Its very clear that Canada needs to have oil and gas as a smaller part of its portfolio. Yes as part of it its a very valuable contributor.... right up until when its not. Its too volatile for us to make a bigger part of the mix.
The pandemic has shone a bit of light on our nascent manufacturing capabilities, we have all we need to increase our manufacturing sector, and have it be highly diversified. Why would we invest tax dollars now into O&G, vs that? makes no sense at all short or long term.
Your right oil big days are behind us but we can stil make money of oil just not what we use too......
you blame the oil and gas for being the only big boy industry in Canada but since the 90's no other industry has stepped up to take the pressure off oil......it's on all of Canada not Alberta an the fact we had oil stay strong for so long and other provinces didn't invest in future growth cause they figure the oil money would just keep flowing so Alberta is an oil province ......what's Quebec? What's b.c? Atleast Alberta has an industry and thx to that Canada has grown so.......
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On April 23, 2020 at 2:32 PM, Jimmy McGill said:
what utter BS. Please go find me the source to prove that AB oil money funded the rest of Canada's industries.
doesnt paint the whole picture but while oil grows so did other industries and that's why if you look back to the late 90's or 2000's and look at the growth of other industries.... Thx to oil we had a Canadian dollar worth more then the states and so on.....I wasn't trying to be a dick but oil has given us a helping hand in other industries but there's no paper trail and I'm not going to go ask the farmer I know that has 3000 acres how you could afford it.....I already know he has a few wells and he has said without oil money his farm would be no where near the size it is today......
I know I use farming as an example a lot but it's benifited them the most imo
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6 hours ago, BowtieCanuck said:
I grew up in Surrey and I've seen more junkies more often in Crackiwack than I did in Surrey.
That wasn't a shot at junkies.....cause the picture KOS used is from a movie called deliverance.......also the guy wasn't a junkie ha
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5 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:
Make sure your car has extra gas if you visit the area....
Like the king of Surrey can talk ha
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45 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
what utter BS. Please go find me the source to prove that AB oil money funded the rest of Canada's industries.
What you think the provinces do with those checks from oil? Ha some invest in school and roads and future growth......it's right in front of you.......it's what Ryan strome has been talking about......
edit* where was oil first found? And then that province funded other growth.....like farmers and ranchers in Alberta and then more kids went to college and then so on ha like I said right in front of you
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Alberta crashes everyone else follows right behind ha kinda sad how Canada is so dependent on one province or one thing......
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I was thinking Canucks should pull a trade off like when the pens got Kessel.......
I wonder what the price would look like for Getz and josh Manson from the ducks and maybe Brock could help get the pieces we need......
if the ducks eat some cap on Getz we could be set down the middle for awhile and have two play making centres and Bo.
Pens showed you need playing making centres to win......
not to mention Josh Manson beside thuggy bear would be awesome.