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    Nikita Tryamkin | D

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    Posted

    4 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

    Im quoting you here..  where @RomanP Kindly highlighted for you.

    You are obviously just picking stuff out without reading the whole thing, like I have said many times, that whole section does not apply to Tryamkin because he is not going through waivers and he is not on loan to any club. When his contract ends or is terminated he would then be a group 2 free agent, according to group 2 free agent rules if he is not signed by signed by Dec 1st he can not play in that season, please find me something to show me he will not be a group 2 free agent

    Nikita Tryamkin | D

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    Posted · Edited by mikkim

    48 minutes ago, RomanP said:

    Just curious why you are talking about the waivers. Did you miss the part of your own quote that I highlighted above?

    Did you read the title of that section: Waivers and loans of players to minor league clubs, Tryamkin will not be going through waivers and he has not been loaned to any club. That is why I said this whole article has nothing to do with Tryamkins situation

    Nikita Tryamkin | D

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    Posted · Edited by mikkim

    45 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

    This has all been discussed here over the past year and then some..  your interpretations are nothing new.. 

    As they are with Benning and the NHL.

    This is all why he was put on our reserve roster this season, because he is eligible to play if he is on that roster.

    From what I understand the reserve list is for keeping his negotiation rights, I want to be wrong, I want to see him play for the Canucks this year and help us get into the playoffs, I want someone to show me something that says he can play this year and I'm not talking about a fan site or an article about the Leafs signing players that quotes part of the CBA that has nothing to do with Tryamkins situation

    Nikita Tryamkin | D

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    2 minutes ago, aliboy said:

    Yes I'm sure, Tryamkin was not an unsigned RFA on Dec 1st, 2019, he was an active player under an approved contract, now perhaps you might sit back and watch and we will see what happens.

    And when that contract expires or is terminated by his KHL club he becomes a Group 2 Free Agent

    Nikita Tryamkin | D

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    3 minutes ago, aliboy said:

    I don't have to show you, it applies to RFA's who aren't under contract by December 1, 2019, Tryamkin was not an RFA, as he was under an approved contract, he was not an RFA, nor was he was unsigned. I'm not going to go round and round with this, you will know you are wrong when he signs.

    Are you sure, did you get that from the CBA? I hope you are right, I would love to see him on the team for the playoff push, but what I have been reading  suggests no.

    Nikita Tryamkin | D

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    Posted · Edited by mikkim

    4 minutes ago, aliboy said:

    It doesn't matter, on December 1st, 2019 he was under contract. When his contract expires or he is released he is on our Reserved List and can be signed.

    Show me in the CBA where it says it doesn't matter. Section 8.6 is titled Reserve List - Exclusive Rights, show me where it says it doesn't matter

    Nikita Tryamkin | D

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    Posted · Edited by mikkim

    9 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

    His rights belong to us.Canuck property.

    And that means he is a group 2 free agent, the only other group were we own his rights is group 1, seeing as he has already played out his ELC he no longer qualifies as a group 1. Here is a link to a site that breaks down the different groups of free agents, take a look and tell me what group you think he will fall under https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2013/6/21/4436012/getting-to-know-the-cba-episode-3-free-agency

    Nikita Tryamkin | D

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    1 minute ago, Hairy Kneel said:

    I think free agent implies he can sign anywhere he wants to if we don't sign him. But he can't because we own his rights for two more years. 

    From my understanding that means he falls under the Group 2 Free Agent category

    Nikita Tryamkin | D

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    3 hours ago, aliboy said:

    Here is an article that also holds the opinion he can sign and return as long as they get knocked out of the playoffs in the first or perhaps second round. Look under "how soon can he return". I don't really feel the need to convince anyone, we will know soon enough. The fact that he signed a contract with us that gave him the option to return to Russia which he used could factor into this, may technically mean he's on loan, given the fact that his contract gave him that option, it's not like he walked away from us and signed in Russia, he did so under the terms of the Canucks contract.

     

    https://canucksarmy.com/2019/09/29/is-nikita-tryamkin-coming-back-and-if-so-when/

     

    Also, the Nylander situation was very different, he was RFA and only the NHL was involved, so he had to sign by December 1st, however Tryamkin was under contract on December 1st, it was a KHL contract which was approved under the conditions of his NHL contract, then when he is released he is on our Reserve List, so he can sign and play.

     

    Also, he's not a group 2 free agent, he's not a free agent of any kind, he an active player under an approved contract, the Nylander scenario won't apply until Dec 1st of this year, if he remains unsigned. He only becomes an RFA once his current contact ends, he was under contract Dec 1st of 2019, doesn't apply, he is on our Reserve List, we can sign, he can play.

     

     

    When his KHL playoffs are over and his team terminates his contract is he or is he not considered a Group 2 Free Agent.

    Nikita Tryamkin | D

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    19 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

    BTW Rick Dahliwahl is all over this player, follows up on his play, and everything going on including Benning, and Todd Diamondhis Agent.  Rick has the high opinion that we will see him back here once his KHL playoffs are over.

    Not once has he, Benning, or his Agent said anything about the CBA holding this player off the Canucks this season.

    I would tend to think those parties know better, and would have said something before.

    He is on our reserve list, playing on a different team, not holding out from a contract in the NHL.

    I have read all those as well, and the way I interpret all those reports is that he wants to sign with the Canucks but I haven't seen any that suggests that it will be this year, I was hoping it was this year until I did some more research, and from what I read in the CBA he can not play this year, I get it, he is on our reserve list, and I understand that he is not holding out but it does not change the fact that he is a Group 2 Free Agent and according to the CBA a Group 2 Free Agent can not play in the current season if he is not signed by Dec.1st of that current year, if you can find a quote from Benning, his agent Todd Diamond or anything from the NHL or anything that suggests he is not a Group 2 Free Agent and falls under a different category I will back down

    Nikita Tryamkin | D

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    Posted · Edited by mikkim

    1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said:

    We have his rights for 2-3 more years before he becomes a free agent

    What you say is true, he will become a UFA, Unrestricted Free Agent in 2-3 years, not sure on the date,  but by my understanding Nikita Tryamkin currently is a group 2 free agent, an RFA and according to the article 11.4 of the CBA it states, (this is directly from the current CBA) "Signing Deadline for Group 2 Free Agent. An SPC (Standard Player Contract) for a Group 2 Free Agent will be rejected and will be null and void ab initio (i.e., the Player's Free Agency and contractual status shall revert to the status he held prior to signing his SPC), if it is not signed and filed with Central Registry by 5:00 p.m. New York time on December 1 in the then current NHL Season." I know that @aliboy  brings up again and again this article https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/and-now-you-know/2019/1/9/18174522/so-you-heard-a-rumour-about-the-toronto-maple-leafs-signing-a-european-ufa which refers to Article 13 which is titled WAIVERS AND LOANS OF PLAYERS TO MINOR LEAGUE CLUBS and quotes this paragraph "13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs) only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim. This section shall not apply to a Player on the Reserve List or Restricted Free Agent List of an NHL Club with whom the Player is signing an NHL SPC or is party to an existing SPC with such NHL Club" 

    The problem is Tyamkin is not going through waivers and he is not on loan to a minor league club or any club for that matter so this part of the CBA does not affect him. I am not a lawyer by any means, maybe one of our resident lawyers might be able to interpret this better than me but that is how I read the CBA, believe me I would love to have Nikita Tryamkin back for the playoff push but this is how I read the CBA

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    Posted

    54 minutes ago, elvis15 said:

    This has nothing to do with Tryamkin. Nylander was holding out for a deal where Tryamkin has already been under contract in the KHL. He is fine to sign here after his team's season is over.

     

    49 minutes ago, aliboy said:

    And again.

    Is Nikita Tryamkin considered a Group 2 free agent?

     

    [PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Columbus Blue Jackets | Mar. 01, 2020

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    Posted

    1 minute ago, Jaimito said:

    Tony the Maggot was his name. Burkie called his column stuff that belongs at the bottom of a bird cage. 

    Yes he did, that guy was a clown, who writes an article slamming the home town team, saying Bure is going to hold out when they are right in the middle of the Stanley Cup finals, that's the biggest one that stood out for me, there were so many more, after a while if I saw his name I would just flip the page because I knew the story would be garbage or a fluff piece about the Red Wings

    Nikita Tryamkin | D

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    Posted · Edited by mikkim

    48 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

    Tryamkin is presently on our “reserve” list.   He is eligible to play this season, as he was, and did, in the 2016 season.

     

    32 minutes ago, Papa Sawce said:

    I could be wrong but I think the dec 1st deadline was an internal deadline decided by the leafs

    Doing a little more research trying to find a clear answer on this I came across this on NHL.com "Any restricted free agent who does not sign by Dec. 1 cannot play for the remainder of the NHL season."

    here is the link https://www.nhl.com/news/top-unsigned-restricted-free-agents-in-nhl/c-308175092 

    Again I hope he can play but after reading the Nylander example and now this I'm starting to wonder if he can. Is he considered an RFA in the same category as Nylander and the ones mentioned in the NHL.com article or does he fall under a different RFA category. 

     

    Nikita Tryamkin | D

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    Posted

    I asked this in the GDT seeing as people were talking about it there but didn't get an answer, I'm hoping someone might have a clear answer on this. Last year Nylander  had to sign with the Leafs by Dec. 1st or he would have been ineligible to play for them that season, I'm pretty sure he would have been on their reserve list. I know it's not the exact same scenario but both players were coming off ELC, does Nikita going to the KHL for a few years change that? I'm really hoping he can play but after reading about that condition last year for Nylander now makes me wonder.

    [GDT] Canucks @ Columbus 4:00 pm l Sunday, March 1, 2020

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    1 hour ago, canuck2288 said:

    I think the determining factor is whether they were added to our reserve list 

    Not that I'm arguing, because I'm really hoping that Tryamkin can be signed and play this season, but last year Nylander  had to sign with the Leafs by Dec. 1st or he would have been ineligible to play for them that season, I'm pretty sure he would have been on their reserve list. I know it's not the exact same scenario but both players were coming off ELC, does Nikita going to the KHL for a few years change that?

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