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2 hours ago, Fred65 said:
I keep hearing Raty this Raty that but my question is why does a 2nd round pick earn or warrant so much attention. What's special about this kid. It sounds mostly like people jumping on the band wagon but who started it and if he's that good why would the NYI trade him. I'm curious
He was considered a possibility for first overall by some prior to his draft year.
I guess questions about his skating etc put him way back, but there's hype around him from way back when.
Let's hope whatever is actually there can get developed into a real hockey player.
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1 hour ago, Ted Lasso said:
What if Joshua was flanked by two defensive wingers like Pearson and Mikheyev?
Or what if Joshua was flanked by two offensive wingers like Beauvilleur and Garland?
That way they wouldn’t just be skating around doing almost nothing.
If they could all score 30-40 points each we’d have a real team!
If they could also be defensively responsible and leave most of the real shutdown work to the 4th line (Aman, Bleuger, DiGuiseppe for example), we could really have something.
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Kuzmenko Pettersson Podkolzin
Mikheyev Miller Boeser
Beauvilleur Joshua Garland
Aman Beugler DiGuiseppe
Hughes Juulsen
Cole Hronek
Soucy Myers
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On 5/17/2023 at 12:33 AM, Ted Lasso said:
Could he be a candidate for 3C?
I got thinking about this.
His points were excellent last season for his role. His small-sample-size faceoff % is very respectable (as has been pointed out prior). He's big and fast and the coach thinks he could be much better than he's been.
We keep talking about having too many wingers - and we do. What if Joshua played between Beauvilleur and Garland (all of a sudden the 3rd line isn't so terribly overpaid cause they're paying peanuts to the 3C).
That would be a spicy line that could actually do some damage on the scoreboard.
Kuzmenko Pettersson Podkolzin (I've said elsewhere why I think Podz would work well here, just cause he can dig for the other's scoring)
Mikheyev Miller Boeser (again Mikheyev's speed and digging/forecheck for the benefit of the other two)
Beauvilleur Joshua Garland (speed, tenacity, finish - this could be a legitimately excellent line)
Aman Bleuger DiGuiseppe
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I'd like to see him bumped all the way up to the first line.
Probably Mikheyev will go back there, but I think Mikheyev would be better suited to the 2nd line where Boeser can be the beneficiary of his speed, forecheck and board work.
On the top line, Pettersson and Kuzmenko will score enough that Podz can help on the forecheck and grow his confidence as stuff starts bouncing off of him into the net.
Third line could even be Beauvilleur Bleuger/Raty Garland. Get a line going with some forecheck that will actually lead to some goals rather than just "bringing energy" and being hard to play against.
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I’m doing a bit of a mid-deep-dive on Ian Cole and becoming convinced what a fantastic pick-up this is.
One interesting thing - he and Soucy were the top two +\- a couple years back in Minny.
And by time on ice it looks like maybe they played together?
Anyone have knowledge about that?
Cole said in an interview he’s played almost 50% of his career on the right side.
Not sure if that makes sense on our team, but the flexibility certainly can’t hurt!
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3 hours ago, Camel Toe Drag said:
I’m with you. Although Ballard had some dandies as well.
Agreed, though none that were as illustrious as two handing his goalie in the face
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On 6/8/2023 at 10:44 PM, Alflives said:
On the stick and off the stick with unbeatable quickness and accuracy. And the losers say he’s too skinny or isn’t fast enough. But the losers said exactly the same about Mike Bossey.
Losers gonna have their loser views.The losers said the same thing about me too.
Hopefully he's closer to Bossy on that spectrum.
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Kind of a Forsling for Clendening sort of deal!
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I actually read the article.
It was a circular discussion of them saying he didn't do good because a reporter wasn't impressed by Reinbacher's answers.
If he can clear out the front of the net and make a good outlet pass, I'll let this black stain pass.
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On 6/6/2023 at 9:10 PM, VancouverHabitant said:
Guys, Forsling was 24 when he finally stuck in the NHL.
In his 23 year old season he only played in the AHL.
Totally.
People talk about the mistake in letting him go, but for years after we could have rectified that mistake by offering a conditional 7th.
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18 minutes ago, Coconuts said:
Because we like to argue
10 minutes ago, Gurn said:no, we don't
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An argument is an intellectual process, contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other persons says.
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3 hours ago, kloubek said:
The guy started his career at a point-every-other-game pace. 6 years later, it was up to almost 2 points every 3 games.
I think it's safe to say he's a top 4. His ceiling, however, remains in question.
Yes! And he improved from being a - player every year on a bad team to a + player on that same team (I get that Seider was probably eating up more of the hard minutes Hronek had previously played).
1 hour ago, Fred65 said:Just on merit alone I earnestly belive Hronek was a good aquasition and he's here now!! I might add that of all the scouting gurus I rank Button as one of the best. The question I would have been interested in asking Button is McWard or Johansson ranked as NHL players in his opinion. Now that would have thrown a lot of light on the Vcr future .... IMO
And Juulsen.
I’m excited about Johansson, but I feel his game might be similar to a lot of our current dmen - kind of offensive dmen who can also kind of defend.
I feel like Juulsen might end up being more of the type of old school Dman we could really use in our lineup.
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46 minutes ago, IBatch said:It of course doesn't need to be one extreme of the other. But I do agree with Button on this point. The team has a lot of flaws as is, and waiting for a past mid first round pick to maybe make the lineup is a correct on average assumption. And well if you really want to be brutally honest about it, on "average" we are talking about a 100 nhl games. And what the scouts want is 200 past 20 or so as their par line. Button was correct in his view of where we are at, and didn't even bring up the fact that neither EP or QHs want to stick around for a rebuild. Tactically he said "you might as well blow it up and trade a QHs or EP or both"... can't agree more.
Neutral people that talk about the Canucks are fun to listen to or read about. I agree with Button, there is nothing wrong with our offense, but our D is all over the place, and the biggest hole for sure is RHD. Crazy to think that is also what the majority of the CDC has been clamouring for....and now that we have something interesting some still would rather have the lottery ticket. At least wait and see.
Agreed on all of this.
I’m actually very happy about the Hronek trade. We’ve been screaming for a good RHD for years and every year it seems more of the same. It will be nice to hopefully have a legit RHD this year.
I like this plan of slowly trying to get the pieces all moving together in an upward trajectory.
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10 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:
I've watched nearly every game he played. I don't believe it. He looked rather porous to me. Of course his numbers will look not bad playing with #43 and on the third line.
Fair enough, I'm just taking this as it's presented.
So playing with #43 I'd probably look ok-ish, but according to this even Hughes experienced a bit of a bump alongside Bear (not bad).
And sure, against lesser competition he's also going to look better, but so did whoever was playing with him.
And I guess that's what I'm sort of hoping for, that the addition of Hronek (and hopefully at least one good stay at home guy, either on the right or on the left) allows someone like Bear to filter down the lineup and find more success.
Hughes Hronek
Gavrikov? Bear
OEL Schenn?/Juulsen?
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49 minutes ago, IBatch said:
We aren't in a rebuild mode anymore. What he said is exactly what i've been saying, keep the pick we might as well blow it up and trade EP and QHs.
I keep hearing this thing over and over and it's so ridiculous.
I like the Hronek trade and generally agree with the thinking behind it - but this tired trope that there's only two options available is so reductionist. Like we can, at this moment, only choose between a scorched earth rebuild and going for the Cup?
What about the hundred other available versions of developing a team?
Because obviously Hronek wasn't turning us into a cup contender, but keeping the pick wasn't forcing anyone to trade away our stars either. It's just so classically CDC to only line up behind one of two extremes.
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11 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:
Couldn't agree more. Bear sucks. As long as they don't sign him for more than year it will be fine. I knew we wouldn't be competing until the Myers contract is off the books anyway.
According to this article he makes his partners demonstrably better in every case.
If given a partner like Gavrikov for example, perhaps he could be a legitimately good second pair Dman
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I read somewhere recently that Beauvilleur was drafted as a C/LW and that he's said C is his favourite position.
Now his FO% percentage would say otherwise, but if he could figure that (albeit major) part of being a C - is there any way he could vie for the 3C position this coming season?
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3 hours ago, I.Am.Ironman said:
That package may get you 2nd or 3rd OA, but not 1st
It's an interesting discussion!
I'd love Fantilli but PA probably prefers Carlsson.
I wonder how huge the package would need to be for either of those picks.
It would solve our 3C discussion (assuming they would rush him into that spot, but I think that's a safe assumption).
Then we just have to fix our D and we're good!
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11 minutes ago, Camel Toe Drag said:
A comparison is strictly stylistically speaking. It doesn’t mean you’re getting a player that projects to produce and be like a second Brayden Point. Remember when they used to say every offensive dman plays like Eric Karlsson? Everyone would lose their sh*t.
Especially the time we got one even better
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59 minutes ago, Timråfan said:
We have a lot of young Ds in 5/6 territory.
We only need that one of them is able to take the next step and be a 3/4
That's true.
And a bunch more in the 7/8 territory
I actually wonder if the addition of Hronek doesn't do more for the collective than he does by himself, what I mean is do players filter down the lineup to a spot where they can find success now that we've gotten another Top 4 Dman?
Could Juulsen become a legit full time player on the right side now that Hronek can hopefully eat up the hardest minutes?
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23 minutes ago, rekker said:
Alright, alright, I take it back, lol. No more keyboard GM for the day for me. I do agree, hopefully land a legit third line center. Or bring back Malhotra and suit him up. Lol
I’m all in for Malhotra
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23 minutes ago, rekker said:
Hmmm, I like this guy. Right hand center, why not give him a shot at camp
A center?
Hockey Reference says he's won a grand total of 29 faceoffs in 7 seasons. Including 0 last season.
Don't think that's a player for us.
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I've heard a dozen different people and media talking about dropping in the draft in order to dump cap space.
Is there a thing where management gets certain media members to drip-feed an unpopular plan so that we're somewhat braced for it when it comes about?
For the record, I will not be braced.
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Who here is actually happy with the Hronek trade?
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They're shutting it down in 3-4 years?