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3 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:e
3 hours ago, CanadianRugby said:I don't know enough about Buffalo, Arizona, Florida & Carolina especially when it comes to their prospect pools. Edmonton is at a completely different stage of their rebuild and a unique case considering that they have McJesus and all those top picks. They should be a really good team and anything other than that is a failure, so their rebuild as of right now is a disaster. We're doing better, though I'd rather want us to be compared to the best not the worst. Also, I'd say that Edmonton's failure is how they went about building (or, not building) a team around their top picks.
Vey & Eriksson are parts of a bigger picture. IMO both terrible moves but even if they weren't bad moves, the strategy of targeting old FA's and 20something players to compete now instead of trading for picks, that's where the big failure was.
My point? Benning is great at drafting with later picks. In a rebuild, teams load up on picks. Every dynasty built in the cap era loaded up on picks just before their dynasty. Trading picks away for players that will have no impact on the team by the time it's competitive, is terrible. Simply keeping your own picks for a draft isn't rebuilding in any way. Vancouver will be this bad for only so long, it's a rare chance to rebuild. But instead of embracing the suck, and loading up on picks we've been hopelessly trying for the playoffs and wasting assets along the way.
They're not positive, they're delusional and agressive in their views as far as interacting on CDC goes. I'm not negative, I'm realistic. I have praised Benning when I like his moves.
How do you figure? The way of Arizona, Buffalo and Edmonton were to "gift" the spots to the young guys. Not make them take the spots from mid tier regular NHL'rs. Look how its worked out for them?
Toronto had been drafting high for years and had a bunch of players NOT signed to NMC's that had some great value. We did not. We already traded them. Shnieds, Lu, Kesler.
I have seen the argument about "Benning is good at drafting so never trade a pick for a player" so often it blows my mind. Drafting is talent evaluation. How does that get thrown out the window unless your drafting? He knows which prospects are around the level of the pick he is trading and he feels the player has more upside.
"Trading picks for players that will have no impact on a team when its competitive?" Are you playing a video game? Are we suppose to just throw rookies in and see how they do. Don't bring them up in a competitive environment around other decent regular NHL's they can learn from? So we just sign some loser 4th liners and sit at the bottom for 3-4 years until you get your talent and then magically in one off season build a team around them? Toronto didn't even do that and they have BABCOCK.
The players we traded picks for have a chance at being a lot better than the picks we traded. When our new core makes these players redundant we can then TRADE them for more draft picks to KEEP the cupboards full. Heck if we let them develop enough we might even get BETTER picks than we used to get them.
You are not realistic in any way. And the way you think makes me believe you have no clue about personal, player or athlete development.
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On 4/4/2018 at 6:35 PM, Rob_Zepp said:
If you watch Demko and DiPietro play at the same age, in terms of technical positioning you will see what we (at least I) am talking about. Demko is so positionally solid it is scary. His angle management is already elite. He struggles with getting caught in the play it appears - that takes some time and often more for the taller guys it seems but everything about him screams legitimate NHL starter. DiPietro is a gamer for sure, but he doesn't have a whack of fundamentals that will set him up for success as he moves on. Sure, he can work to acquire them as he clearly is a competitor but don't be shocked if he does not translate well to the pro game and/or takes six or so years to get a sniff at NHL.
His size, not the biggest deal (no pun intended), doesn't help but is overblown and in that we agree. Just not every prospect will be a professional and some guys excel in Junior but that transition is hard and for goalies, it can be particularly so. The opposite happens too, goalies who are middle of the pack in CHL end up ECHL etc. and then can star in NHL. Trust me, weird position but very few make it that are not strong fundamentally and as of now, this kid is lacking some fundamentals.
On 4/4/2018 at 5:41 PM, janisahockeynut said:I don't mind slowing down our expectations on all our prospects...........not to say they will or won't all reach their ceiling.............so no I don't mind you guys comments....not trying to declare war here............the fact is Demko is highly rank, and let 3 goals in and 5 posts/crossbars in his first game..........but really who gives a frick
My point about mentioning Demko is his prospect ranking is high.............DiPietro is 18?.........has not had pro-coaching, has not faced pro shooters....etc, etc.......
He is 1 of the best in the ohl.......which excludes, the whl, the Q, ncaa, sel, khl etc, so yeah, I am ok that he is still developing..................so is Demko , and unfortunately so is Markstrom
And just so you guys understand.........I do respect all 3 of your opinions and may have read more into what you were all saying than what you said........I actually yield to you more often than not especially in goaltending.........
I think I was too absolute in my remarks and I apologize................but I think pretty much dreams on here and accepts the reality when it hits us................
Personally, I question the size remarks, more than anything.............but that is just me................
adios!
Demko screams Luongo type goaltender. His positional game is strong but he needs to work on his side to side movements and his glove hand. He goes down to quick in my opinion as well. In his first game in GM place most of the early posts and the first goal was him losing track of the puck. Every ice surface has different lights and shadows which effect goaltenders WAY more than players. GM place has a four shadow cross in middle of the ice just inside the blue line. The first goal and quite a few of his iffy plays were from that exact spot. He will be a NHL starter for sure
MD is something else. I completely agree that he needs some serious fundamentals. A recent prospect I will relate him to on a lesser scale is Virtanen(this is why he had so little ice time to start. His bad habits had to be broken and green didnt want him cheating). MD is so gifted that he gets away with his bad habits and cheating because of his natural ability. Some people can't shake and transition to a more professional and fundamentally sound game. But if it does... we will have LU/SCHNIDS v2.0
And I mean Michael Dipitero.... He's got an epic goaltender name.
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4 minutes ago, khay said:
It's worthwhile to re-consider 2014 draft as well.
We drafted 5 NHL players: Virtanen, McCann, Demko, Tryamkin, Forsling. Two are first rounders but 3 in the 2nd round and onwards.
It is also worthwhile to note that Boston drafted 3 NHL players in 2014: Pastrnak, Donato, Heinen. 2014 is probably the last draft for which JB would have had some influence on since much of the scouting must have taken place during 2013-14, before him coming over to sign as the GM here. Regardless of how much hand he had in scouting these players, 2014 draft picks were made by the scouting department in Boston that JB probably had a hand in implementing so he would have had some influence.
In this sence, JB had a hand in drafting 8 NHL players out of 12 picks in 2014.
And it seems like JB has successfully implemented his drafting philosophy among the Canucks' scouts.
As you said, we already have 2 NHLers from 2015 in Boeser and Gaudette and possibly Jasek and Briesbois.
2016, probably just one with Juolevi although Lockwood still has a chance.
2017, well, almost everyone drafted in 2017 looks like they have some chance. Even Gunnarsson could turn out as a physical stay at home defenceman, #6/#7 guy.
I think in the current NHL, a successful GM needs to draft one NHL player per year on average. This is the best and only way to build a contending team, by continuously infusing talented youth to the lineup. Benning has been very successful at that.
This. I truly think 2017 will be better than 2014. I can see every player we drafted having a serious chance at making it. With how deep this draft is I cant WAIT to see what Benning pulls out of his hat.
Benning is about to make a lot of people eat crow on the Virtanen and OJ picks to.
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27 minutes ago, appleboy said:
If they can find two nhl players per year then you can continue to regenerate a club from within. It will allow you to move out vets for more picks as you fill with youth. You should be able to keep a club going forever if you are always making room for kids.
I was wondering that what the "magic number" to keep the talent pool up and be able to take advantage of ELC's. If we net 2 solid players per year as a playoff team we would be one of BEST team in the NHL. How long did we stay dominant without a SINGLE prospect making our team for years. Even 1 NHL player per year would be incredable. So far Benning's worst year looks to be 2016. While OJ looks like the real deal Lockwood cant seem to stay healthy. Brett McKenzie looks promising and Cole might do something but I don't really see it.
LOL how spoiled are we when 2 NHL players is Bennings worst draft
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14 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:
Damn, this kid is really interesting. Like many others, I haven't paid much attention to him, but 6 points in 3 AHL playoff games as a 20 year old is nothing to sneeze at. Hell, even half the production would be impressive, considering how young he is, that he was a 6th rd pick, and that it's his first time on NA ice.
Benning's 2015 draft is looking to be pretty spectacular.
It really is isn't it. There have been a few comments and questions on whether Benning will be able to continue to draft this well when we start to make the playoffs aka Winnipeg and Tampa.... Not Calgary and Edmonton. With a 5th round pick looking great in the nhl and the 6th round pick lighting it up in his first 3 games in the AHL I feel fairly confident we will have an abundance of skill for a long time.
2015
Brock Boeser 23rd
No 2nd round
Guilliaume Brisbos 66- Solid AHL Season this year
Dmitry Zhukenov 114- Prob wont make it but you never know
Carl Neill 144- Released this year
Lukas Jasek 174
Tate Olsen 210- Released
Thats 3-4 NHL players out of that draft.
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4 hours ago, rizzuto&hatoum said:
After watching the above video, I have these questions:
1) Of his 56 points, how many were on the power play?
2) Will he get deployed on the Nucks' powerplay right from the start?
3) How was his 5x5 play?
4) How good is the average SHL goaltender vs NHL goaltender?
5) Will he debut like Backstrom (69 pts in 82 games), Forsberg (50 pts in 47 games) or like Berglund (47 pts in 82 games) and Henrik (29 pts)?
1) How many one-times have you seen like that?
2) He plays on the opposite side of Boeser. Can you imagine a 1-2 like that?
3) At the 3/4 mark of the season he only had 12 even strength goals against all year.
4) Most of his goals are all top corner. His wrist shot and one-timer are both incredibly accurate.
This kid is going to be a star.... and we are going to see it from game 1 next year. I would bet the farm on it.
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1 hour ago, stawns said:
He's not struggling, he's still a dominant goalie, is my understanding. He just has a cpl of holes in his game that need to be worked on. I think they want him to come in and play significant mins right away and I think they don't believe he is there yet.
worked well with Schneider
He can be dominant... but he has long stretches where he isn't. The defense really helped his number this year.... you can see it in his numbers since Holm was traded. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a stud and a future number 1, it just doesn't makes sense to me to bring someone in as a backup when you have glaring holes in your game. If his tendency to go down early and his glove hand are being exposed by AHL teams he will get eaten alive at the NHL level.
Give him more games and wait for him to MAKE us bring him up with his play.
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I honestly think there is still to much of a question mark with Markstroms play. Not to mention the teams play in the first quarter of the season. If things go well but there is more weakness on the backend look at a trade to bring in a better goaltender to stabilize Markstrom. If that happens there is no way we see Demko next... and from the sounds of it he needs another full year in UTICA anyway. Why bring him up as a backup when he is still struggling with consistency at the AHL level.
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Just now, Rush17 said:
Yeah lol. Ive been told my grammer is bad.
No hard feelings
Mine is to.... Just a another joke aimed at R.Dahlin
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8 hours ago, Rush17 said:
Your're out to lunch.
There..... The ONLY thing wrong with your post
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6 minutes ago, gameburn said:
Yes... and then we'd have the enviable problem of finding the money for them.
And we'd have the memory of what it is to hold on to players too long... and to give too much away in the NMC/NTC area. We could manage a dynasty better than most... Look at what poor Chicago is going through now. Kane and Toews look like old men all of a sudden. And Seabrook even worse.
Just wait... Chicago will be back. They are just retooling.
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15 minutes ago, Alflives said:
If we can FINALLY get lotto luck and get Dhalin, we could have a top core that could compete for Cups for the next decade.
Demko
Dhalin
Juiolevi
Pettersson
Bo
Brock
Gaudette
Lind
Dahlen
Gadjovich
Whoever else we nab this year and some great longer term possibilities in....
Palmu
Brassard
Brisebois
Rathbone
I am loving our new Canucks.
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14 minutes ago, Alflives said:
That’s a killer trio. I didn’t know Pettersson was so defensively responsible. Are there any top line centres that are under 170 lbs, who are Plus players? What did Hank weigh, when he was dominating - 180?
There was a big list of stars in the Pettersson thread that were all in the 175-185 range. As a play making Ectomorph (Who have the highest strength to weight ratio of body types) 10 pounds should be plenty from him to compete.
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12 minutes ago, gameburn said:
By matchup center you are thinking of a Kesler type -- two-way kind of guy? That would be great, if that's the case.
On the other hand, for speed, Pettersson is quicker and faster; then again i suspect he's not going to be used in a defensive role very often -- and he might not always be playing as a center.
Pettersson still might be better against McDavid though... his playmaking and shooting would require McDavid (and his linemates) to keep track of him.
I think of Pettersson as an all-round forward. His skill set and vision make him good defensively and offensively... his size is the only weakness in his game. I think he has the least goals scored against 5v5 in the SHL this year. Half way through the season he was at 12 I believe.
I hope he does make it at center. Could you imagine a 1-3 of Pettersson Horvat and Gaudette? DAMN!
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9 minutes ago, TGT68 said:
I just can't wait to see what he can do in the Boeser spot on the PP.
Hopefully he is 2nd PP next year with Boeser on the first and moved up to the first whenever Boeser isn't available.
Now to sign Pettersson for the other side.
We should have a top 5 PP again within two years.
Dalin, Petterson, Horvat, Boeser, Lind.
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2 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:
Great news!
Have a feeling he’ll look great with JV, and could help get the most from him.
Thats one hellofa good 3rd line..... I daresay a 2B line. With Jakes size and AG's tenacity.
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1 hour ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:
We’ll see what number he settles on but I’d say the chances are pretty good that his jersey will be the next one hanging in my closet.
LOL I was just thinking that!!
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1 hour ago, Vanuckles said:
I guess the bigger concern for me is that a Canucks fan needs stats to prove to them that we have to be patient with our young players.
Also, don't play innocent when someone calls you out. Yes very few people explicitly call Virtanen a bust, but there are many of you on here who are implying it. Case in point, here's a quote from a poster, why only an hour ago:
To me, that is a post of someone who is all but saying Virtanen is a bust. And of course just like the rest of you, he throws in an offhand disclaimer at the end, just in case. Personally, I'm not prepared to look at a stat line and determine the future of a 21 year old player just yet. Though what I am struggling to figure out is, why? Do you just want to be able to say "I told you so" if Virtanen never amounts to anything more than a 4th liner? Would it really bring you that much joy? We are all very well aware that any player, even Boeser, can bust but that doesn't mean we jump on the "I-can-tell-the-future-but-also-have-the-wherewithal-to-backtrack-in-case-I-need-to" bandwagon. The venomous media are doing fine on their own sh**ting all over the team, I guess I just had hopes that fans would stand up for our players as opposed to joining the media circus.
But listen - and this goes to all the rest of you @The 5th Line @Jägermeister @Toews and any others as well - if it's important to you, you can quote me, you can call me an idiot, say "I told you so", or whatever you want at any point now or in the future, for supporting Jake Virtanen. I think he's a valuable asset on this team, and he brings a skillset that the Canucks, and many other teams around the league are dearly missing.
This.
How is all the goal scoring power doing for the Oilers.
Its about having a complete team.... and having as many different kinds of weapons and tools as possible, And using ponts as a stand alone metric for Virtanen is silly
Should we judge Malhortra's value by the amount of goals he scored in a season?
Im on the Virtanen train as well. When he puts it all together watch out... he will be a one man wrecking train in the playoffs. Go Canucks
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2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:
Michigan played great team defence, neutralized Gaudette most of the game.
Yeah they did.... and that Hughes definitely comes as advertised
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did they even have a shot in the last minute?
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I really hope NE wins... at least until there are less than 9 games left in the season for the nucks. With the expansion coming it would suck to have to protect him for 9 games
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2 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:
Sikura! Tied 1-1.
Sure would be nice to pick him up for free.... Its also nice to take something from Chicago.
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7 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:
Dang!
The number of snipes bar down, over a goalies shoulder with, like, zero room is incredibly exciting. Our next skills competition might have the two most accurate snipers in the world > forget the NHL all star game as top comp for Boeser.
Could you imagine if they end up 1, 2 next year at the all star game
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But after seeing him play responably snd safely u til he learns his partners... i could just imagine how cdc would blow after game one if he doesnt pot a goal and grab a few helpers